Swanigan is the Best Big in CBB (Ringer - 1/17)

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He remindsme me of ZBO, David West, and Craig Smith all rolled into one. No matter what he does with his career he will play with heart and ferocity. Can't ask for too much for a 26th pick. Hopefully he and Zach Collins can help man the middle with Nurk for years to come.
 
BonesJones said:
I strongly disagree on his form.
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A close friend of mine asked me to help him run a minicamp for a high school girls team a couple years ago.
Had a girl who could shoot, but had form so very similar to Caleb's.
IDK why I'm sharing this but yeah. I agree with you his form isn't perfect, though not broken like others I've seen coming out of college.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I can't tell you how many times that has been said on here over the years; and for some reason every year the team was mediocre.
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Our best summer league players seem to get injured ...happened to Nolan Smith and Allan Crabbe..CJ had foot troubles.I think that's why we seem to drop off recently in summer league play.
 
Boob-No-More said:
The problem is, you keep questioning others' reading ability, yet you're the one that KEEPS comparing Swanigan to Meyers Leonard and denying that you did so:



Yes, somebody did and that somebody was you.







So far, you have compared their foot speed and footwork in the low post, their vertical leap, their speed up and down the court and the length and quality of their careers.

Yeah, we can read just fine.



You can say the exact same thing about every player taken outside of the lottery (and some taken in the lottery) in every single draft - EVER.

The guy was taken with the 26th pick in the draft. No one here expects him to start, or even be in the rotation from day 1.

However, given his work ethic and history of improvement, some of us think he will eventually carve out a niche for himself coming off the bench in the NBA.

You, on the other hand are dismissing him before you've seen him play one second against NBA competition:



What exactly have you actually seen?



So, you've never actually seen the guy play, but you've already written him off.

BNM
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So the Boob doesn't get You Tube. And really doesn't comprehend very well. All of those statements are in response. Cherry pick much? Have a nice day.
 
tester551 said:
So if you didn't know anything about him & then decided to "really look into him" - what does that constitute?

You've been arguing with sever posters about his future based on what.... a 20 minute review of his scouting report at Draftexpress?

He may top out at an Ed Davis level, but that's OK IMO. I love the passion, energy, and fire he plays with. That's a skill that can't be taught
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No.
 
riverman said:
Our best summer league players seem to get injured ...happened to Nolan Smith and Allan Crabbe..CJ had foot troubles.I think that's why we seem to drop off recently in summer league play.
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Our current coaching staff also doesn't play to win. They focus on developing individual skills by forcing guys out of their comfort zones and they also spend a lot of time evaluating the guys we don't have under contract to see if any of them might be worth a contract or at least a training camp invite. Unlike, PHO who plays their best players big minutes.

BNM
 
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kjironman1 said:
So the Boob doesn't get You Tube. And really doesn't comprehend very well. All of those statements are in response. Cherry pick much? Have a nice day.
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I comprehend fine. I know the definition of the word compare. I also know the definition of cherry picking. Quoting several of your comments from the current thread where you directly compared two players is not cherry picking.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I was referring specifically to summer league - which should have been obvious from the post I quoted.

BNM
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I still disagree....although we do look at players in summer league....I see them trying to win.....it's early....never assume what is obvious to someone skimming posts ....as I stated...our best rookies have been unable to play the last few summer leagues ....Crabbe was bummed he hurt his ankle early in the competition...CJ was in a foot brace for his first two I think..
 
This is what summer league is about it is about development and to gets the new players that was just drafted there feet wet in the NBA. Look at other players that you might take a look at to invite in the training camp. Remember we can take 2 other players that can play in the G-league for you but I don't know if olshey will do that due to we don't have a G-league team. Is it about winning not really but of course you got guys out there that are competitor and it is a game and yes they they want to win. That just human nature.
 
riverman said:
I still disagree....although we do look at players in summer league....I see them trying to win.....it's early....never assume what is obvious to someone skimming posts ....as I stated...our best rookies have been unable to play the last few summer leagues ....Crabbe was bummed he hurt his ankle early in the competition...CJ was in a foot brace for his first two I think..
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The way i have read summer league is evaluation but try to win so they get into the second half of the tournament. If they make it through pool play then they play more games and the stakes change a bit. So there is benefit in trying to win the first 2 games because you get more chance to evaluate. The point here is always try to win. Always every time on the court in any situation. Winning breeds winning!
 
I'm looking forward to watching Swanigan grow as a player and beast. I still kind wished eer could have gotten Jordan Bell though. He might not have the most versatile offensive game, but he would be fun to watch busting his out there every night. Missed opportunity.
 
theprunetang said:
I'm looking forward to watching Swanigan grow as a player and beast. I still kind wished eer could have gotten Jordan Bell though. He might not have the most versatile offensive game, but he would be fun to watch busting his out there every night. Missed opportunity.
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I think Swanigan has better potential than Bell. His offensive game and rebounding is already miles better, Bell brings potential on the defensive front but he's undersized and it's going to be hard for him to guard NBA players. There's a reason why Bell was taken no. 38 and the team that drafted him there sold him for $3M or something.

Swanigan was shooting almost 45% of three-pointers on 85 attempts. He was rebounding at an elite level. While his defence is not there yet, with the improvements he's shown over the years, he could get there in that aspect of his game too.

He's an exciting acquisition.
 
Sarni said:
I think Swanigan has better potential than Bell. His offensive game and rebounding is already miles better, Bell brings potential on the defensive front but he's undersized and it's going to be hard for him to guard NBA players. There's a reason why Bell was taken no. 38 and the team that drafted him there sold him for $3M or something.

Swanigan was shooting almost 45% of three-pointers on 85 attempts. He was rebounding at an elite level. While his defence is not there yet, with the improvements he's shown over the years, he could get there in that aspect of his game too.

He's an exciting acquisition.
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I agree. Swanigan is a better prospect. I just would have liked to see Bell as a 3rd pick and in a Blazers jersey.
 
theprunetang said:
I agree. Swanigan is a better prospect. I just would have liked to see Bell as a 3rd pick and in a Blazers jersey.
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We got the two guys we targeted who play the same position. Our front court suddenly go crowded. Sure, we might be able to move Meyers and Ed, but there are only so many minutes to go around - not enough to develop three young guys who all play the same position.

BTW, I like Bell, too. I like his defense and his motor, but given the two guys we drafted, it wouldn't have made sense to add a 3rd rookie at the same position.

BNM
 
I think by the end of season Collins will be getting 20+ minutes a game and Swanigan has a shot at being 12-15 minutes a game or even more. Just my hopes.

With Collins I am hoping he has similar trajectory to Myles Turner or even Porzingis i.e. becomes a very important player almost immediately even though people do not expect it. Will be happy if Swanigan has similar impact to Willy Hernangomez, Richaun Holmes in terms of minutes played (obviously completely different players).
 
He def lost a ton of weight

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Man, I cant wait for summer league. I think we're really gunna like this guy. Sounds like ZBO with a good attitude which could be huge shoring up our starting frontcourt lineup of Collins and Nurk. Last year we didnt have a single competent frontcourt player by the end of the season cause of injury and frankly weakness at the positions. Now we could have three or four if Ed gets back to 2016 form after his injury. More than that I like the direction we've gone in, while everyone is looking to speed the game up we're gunna look to slow the game down. With the addition of capable back to the basket types like Biggie and Nurkic guys who you can throw the ball to and let them bully their way to the basket makes it much harder to cheat out on Dame and CJ and takes the pressure off of them to create every single possession. Our halfcourt offense wasnt great last year and it comes down to the basic fact that we were predictable. We had zero offense out of the supporting cast unless dame or cj created it. Now we have a couple more options for easy buckets and hopefully we are gaining a bit of an identity.
 
chzbrgr said:
Man, I cant wait for summer league. I think we're really gunna like this guy. Sounds like ZBO with a good attitude which could be huge shoring up our starting frontcourt lineup of Collins and Nurk. Last year we didnt have a single competent frontcourt player by the end of the season cause of injury and frankly weakness at the positions. Now we could have three or four if Ed gets back to 2016 form after his injury. More than that I like the direction we've gone in, while everyone is looking to speed the game up we're gunna look to slow the game down. With the addition of capable back to the basket types like Biggie and Nurkic guys who you can throw the ball to and let them bully their way to the basket makes it much harder to cheat out on Dame and CJ and takes the pressure off of them to create every single possession. Our halfcourt offense wasnt great last year and it comes down to the basic fact that we were predictable. We had zero offense out of the supporting cast unless dame or cj created it. Now we have a couple more options for easy buckets and hopefully we are gaining a bit of an identity.
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Exactly. We've now got some bigs that can battle and rebound and understand that rebounding can create additional possessions.

If you can't beat the Dubs at their game, make them beat you at yours. With the way the game is shifting, it's going to take a big lineup that can slow the game down and overpower the opponent. That's what Hibbert did for the Pacers the year they nearly upset the Cavs. I'm anxious to see us with The Big Nurk and guys like Swanigan up front.
 
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chzbrgr said:
Man, I cant wait for summer league. I think we're really gunna like this guy. Sounds like ZBO with a good attitude which could be huge shoring up our starting frontcourt lineup of Collins and Nurk. Last year we didnt have a single competent frontcourt player by the end of the season cause of injury and frankly weakness at the positions. Now we could have three or four if Ed gets back to 2016 form after his injury. More than that I like the direction we've gone in, while everyone is looking to speed the game up we're gunna look to slow the game down. With the addition of capable back to the basket types like Biggie and Nurkic guys who you can throw the ball to and let them bully their way to the basket makes it much harder to cheat out on Dame and CJ and takes the pressure off of them to create every single possession. Our halfcourt offense wasnt great last year and it comes down to the basic fact that we were predictable. We had zero offense out of the supporting cast unless dame or cj created it. Now we have a couple more options for easy buckets and hopefully we are gaining a bit of an identity.
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Yep

BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Exactly. We've now got some bigs that can battle and rebound and understand that rebounding can create additional possessions.

If you can't beat the Dubs at their game, make them beat you at yours. With the way the game is shifting, it's going to take a big lineup that can slow the game down and overpower the opponent. That's what Hibbert did for the Pacers the year they nearly upset the Cavs. I'm anxious to see us with The Big Nurk and guys like Swanigan up front.
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Yep Yep
 
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