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I can see that. The fact he didn't dominate more in summer league wasn't a good sign. If he brought one thing to the table consistantly I don't think they trade him. If he just locked down players consistantly like he did Beasley or grabbed a lot of boards. During summer league practice, when it was reported he took some time off, I knew he would need to have some special games to survive.

This team is not going to put up with the lazy immature stuff anymore. Will be a serious message to the new rookies.

The team has a log jam upfront and they may feel his value is only going to go down once teams start questioning if the light will ever go on. They saw Marcus' value plummet because of that.

I'd send him to the D-League to get a lot of minutes, but maybe they think that will only expose him more and lower his value.
 
i REALLY hope this is true. getting rid of Sean williams is the only thing left on my offseason wish list. Everything else has come to fruition. We got dooling, we moved RJ for young players and contracts that come off the books. we drafted Lopez(i wanted thomas or lopez) we got rid of marcus williams....

Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...
 
The most shocking thing is that some of you are shocked by this.

Don't tell me that you are also surprised by the "revelation" that Krstic might not be returning.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div>

Why is he a negative influence?
 
If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck.

Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div>

Why is he a negative influence?
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He could be referring to the work ethic thing. That's the only negative I've heard about him. Seems like a very nice guy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 25 2008, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most shocking thing is that some of you are shocked by this.

Don't tell me that you are also surprised by the "revelation" that Krstic might not be returning.</div>

For me, it's not about being shocked, it's about not wanting to believe it might happen.

I can see why they would trade him, but I'm hoping the team holds on to him. I'd hate for the Nets to let him go, and then he becomes the "next big thing" on another team in a couple years.

Yes, he doesn't have a position yet, and yes, he's a goofball, but he seems to be getting stronger (solidifying himself at the 4), and his antics seems to be on the funny side (or wrong place, wrong time) and not the cancerous side.

He didn't have the greatest, or most consistent summer league, but I saw some offensive moves out there that blew my mind, and the tenacity with which he shut down Beasley was amazing.

He's supposedly only been playing basketball since he was 15, and I think with more coaching, he can play a Paul Milsap/Jason Maxiell role for now, and hopefully turn into something much bigger later on.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div>

Why is he a negative influence?
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He could be referring to the work ethic thing. That's the only negative I've heard about him. Seems like a very nice guy.
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The only negative thing I heard about him is that he sings in the shower.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck.

Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div>
Actually it would be $10.5mm under the cap because I forgot to subtract Swat's salary from next season and Hayes is an option.

Other teams and players that could work are:
Houston for Bobby Jackson
Minny for Collins!
Seattle for Donyell Marshall

Include Ager forget about the pick and you could possibly get Artest from Sacto, but he doesn't fit the "good character" mantra.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kdub @ Jul 25 2008, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 25 2008, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most shocking thing is that some of you are shocked by this.

Don't tell me that you are also surprised by the "revelation" that Krstic might not be returning.</div>

For me, it's not about being shocked, it's about not wanting to believe it might happen.

I can see why they would trade him, but I'm hoping the team holds on to him. I'd hate for the Nets to let him go, and then he becomes the "next big thing" on another team in a couple years.

Yes, he doesn't have a position yet, and yes, he's a goofball, but he seems to be getting stronger (solidifying himself at the 4), and his antics seems to be on the funny side (or wrong place, wrong time) and not the cancerous side.

He didn't have the greatest, or most consistent summer league, but I saw some offensive moves out there that blew my mind, and the tenacity with which he shut down Beasley was amazing.

He's supposedly only been playing basketball since he was 15, and I think with more coaching, he can play a Paul Milsap/Jason Maxiell role for now, and hopefully turn into something much bigger later on.
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Historically, the Nets don't pay to develop kids on their roster. Sean was the singular exception to this. He may develop into a decent player--but if that happens, it will occur right around when his contract is about to expire.

I suspect he has decent trade value right now--certainly more than Marcus. They could use him to get rid of a couple of players they don't want. Earlier I proposed moving Sean, Swift, and Hassell for Okafor--I agree that probably isn't the best move, but you might be able to find something similar involving a different player.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck.

Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div>
Actually it would be $10.5mm under the cap because I forgot to subtract Swat's salary from next season and Hayes is an option.

Other teams and players that could work are:
Houston for Bobby Jackson
Minny for Collins!
Seattle for Donyell Marshall

Include Ager forget about the pick and you could possibly get Artest from Sacto, but he doesn't fit the "good character" mantra.
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I'm thinking more that they could get someone in a sign and trade.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 25 2008, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm thinking more that they could get someone in a sign and trade.</div>
I don't think Okafor fits. He wants too much money and clogs up the front court. I think the team thinks Yi and Lopez are the future 4 & 5. I brought up Josh Smith in another thread because he can play both the 3 & 4 and is worth the money.

Next best thing could be losing Hassell and gaining enough money to be a player in 2009 free agent market. Can add one piece before the 2010 summer and be an even more attractive destination.

Oh yeah, it's $12.5mm under the cap if we shed Hassell and Swat. Forgot to subtract Marcus. Lots of options at that stage.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div>

Why is he a negative influence?
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he doesnt work hard, and takes off whenever he feels like it. that stuff can be contageous.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div>

Why is he a negative influence?
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he doesnt work hard, and takes off whenever he feels like it. that stuff can be contageous.
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I wasn't aware of that, and I follow these things pretty closely.

Where does he go? How lazy is he?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 25 2008, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm thinking more that they could get someone in a sign and trade.</div>
I don't think Okafor fits. He wants too much money and clogs up the front court. I think the team thinks Yi and Lopez are the future 4 & 5. I brought up Josh Smith in another thread because he can play both the 3 & 4 and is worth the money.

Next best thing could be losing Hassell and gaining enough money to be a player in 2009 free agent market. Can add one piece before the 2010 summer and be an even more attractive destination.

Oh yeah, it's $12.5mm under the cap if we shed Hassell and Swat. Forgot to subtract Marcus. Lots of options at that stage.
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yes I agree with the earlier points--at this point I'm just using Okafor as an example. The team needs another center, though, and it would be nice if they could open up a roster spot at the same time for Hodge and/or Carroll, who will be inexpensive.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck.

Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div>


Tie Simmons contract as well!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't aware of that, and I follow these things pretty closely.

Where does he go? How lazy is he?</div>
Here's one article at summer league practice. Link
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Sean took a week off last week,” Frank said. “You can see it. He’s going to have to continue to work and get in game rhythm. Some of these other guys have been working out the whole month.

“He’s trying to get it and pushing through fatigue a little bit, trying to improve on some of the things he struggled with last year in terms of consistent intensity every possession, understanding positioning on the defensive end. It’s not about shot blocking but positioning, being at the right place at the right time. He’s making good efforts and good strides and he just has to keep moving in that direction.”</div>

Some hints about it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck.

Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div>


Tie Simmons contract as well!
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That would be too much.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck.

Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div>


Tie Simmons contract as well!
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That would be too much.
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I bet the Knicks would give up Marbury for Sean + Hassell + Simmons + Ager (to make contracts work)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 25 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes I agree with the earlier points--at this point I'm just using Okafor as an example. The team needs another center, though, and it would be nice if they could open up a roster spot at the same time for Hodge and/or Carroll, who will be inexpensive.</div>
Hassell+Swat for Foster and a pick could be good then. I think Lopez and Boone are going to get most of the minutes at center, but they do need one more insurance player. To Minny for Collins and a pick could be good too. Collins could start his career as a player/assistant and work with the bigs. It's mainly an insurance position and to shed Hassell's contract.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck.

Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div>


Tie Simmons contract as well!
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That would be too much.
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I bet the Knicks would give up Marbury for Sean + Hassell + Simmons.
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But they don't need $20+mm in salary cap space next season. They could use some next season and then go for the kill in 2010. Plus, I wouldn't want to send Sean to the Knicks.
 
I don't understand why that makes him a negative influence on anyone. Frank might not like it that he took a week off, but it's his time.

I wish Sean was a basketball lifer and lived in the gym, but he's not that guy. He will listen and put forth effort, but he has a life, too.

Maybe this will prevent him from becoming great, but I don't think he affects his teammates or has a negative presence on the team. If anything, I think he's the kind of guy that diffuses drama and wants harmony.

I think he's a good teammate, he just needs to get his ass in gear. I could name a lot more Nets that are in that boat.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck.

Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div>


Tie Simmons contract as well!
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That would be too much.
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I bet the Knicks would give up Marbury for Sean + Hassell + Simmons.
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But they don't need $20+mm in salary cap space next season. They could use some next season and then go for the kill in 2010. Plus, I wouldn't want to send Sean to the Knicks.
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Just an option to take to save a lot of money if they want to go that route since Nets ownership is suffering big financial losses. Maybe Thorn could even squeeze a pick out of it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't aware of that, and I follow these things pretty closely.

Where does he go? How lazy is he?</div>
Here's one article at summer league practice. Link
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Sean took a week off last week,” Frank said. “You can see it. He’s going to have to continue to work and get in game rhythm. Some of these other guys have been working out the whole month.

“He’s trying to get it and pushing through fatigue a little bit, trying to improve on some of the things he struggled with last year in terms of consistent intensity every possession, understanding positioning on the defensive end. It’s not about shot blocking but positioning, being at the right place at the right time. He’s making good efforts and good strides and he just has to keep moving in that direction.”</div>

Some hints about it.
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See, to me, those quotes by Frank actually disprove what some people here are trying to say.

"Trying . . . pushing through fatigue . . . trying to improve . . . making good efforts and good strides"

Those are the qualities of a lazy person? Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Sean's not "lazy." He doesn't work to his fullest some of the time, but he sure as hell isn't lazy. Look at what he did just to make it to the NBA.
 
So essentially the Nets are admitting to themselves that they made a mistake in the 2007 draft.

Now that is something completely new for this front office. However, I wouldn't get use to it. With Kiki being new, this is a one time thing as he is even more protective of his decisions than Rod or Ed are of theirs.

Zeke offered Kiki Penny's huge expiring contract and first round pick to the Nuggets for Kenyon and he said no.
 
I thought the idea of having a bunch of bigs was to allow room for a guy like Sean or whoever to develop. It's all but a given Yi is starting at the 4 with Najera backing him up so why not stash Williams and let him grow a la Jermaine O'Neal on Portland. If he earns his minutes thats great, if not he keeps working and we have other options we can defer to. He's not worth packaging with Hassell or Swift just to get them off our books and we damn well better get somebody nice in return.

Seriously he makes so little money for the potential he has it's downright retarded to give up on him this quickly especially seeing as guys like him take a few years to mature. He could be more than ready by 2010!

I know we're building a Frank team but for godsakes give him more than one friggin' summer. This is the same crap I got pissed at when we lost Hassan and he actually played better in summer league before they cut him for that waste of space Magliore. I like the additions we've made this offseason but every one are role players except maybe Yi who could bud into a star and having a bunch of role players isn't enough no matter how much we stress team basketball. Sean could be a damn good player and I will be really pissed if he's traded for some assinine financial reason.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't understand why that makes him a negative influence on anyone. Frank might not like it that he took a week off, but it's his time.

I wish Sean was a basketball lifer and lived in the gym, but he's not that guy. He will listen and put forth effort, but he has a life, too.

Maybe this will prevent him from becoming great, but I don't think he affects his teammates or has a negative presence on the team. If anything, I think he's the kind of guy that diffuses drama and wants harmony.

I think he's a good teammate, he just needs to get his ass in gear. I could name a lot more Nets that are in that boat.</div>
Don't disagree with you there. Just pointing out what I think they are seeing.

We only see a small piece of it. We know how much they long to have great big men and that all teams loathe to trade those away. So if they do trade him they must've seen somthing that is going to keep him from developing.
 
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