Syria

[PapaG]

I bet you wouldn't have to look too hard to find threads demanding Obama turn over his birth certificate or school records.

Plenty of those threads on S2.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/213851-Somebody-Wake-Up-the-Birthers?highlight=obama+birth+certificate

That's funny, because it's from Obama's own biographical account from the '80s. That is from a bio that his agent "approved", so stop spreading lies.

I think he was born in the USA. I also think he claimed he wasn't born in the USA to get foreign student aid and acceptance to the school while at Occidental and Harvard. Columbia, well, I'm not sure he ever set foot on campus. He's a fraud, and he's an American.

My niece 'graduated' from Duke, yet only was on campus for two semesters. Money talks, bullshit walks. Who paid for Barry?

 

[BrianFromWA]

On another slightly funny note:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnekdahl/14-principled-anti-war-celebrities-we-fear-may-hav-a1x1

14 Principled Anti-War Celebrities We Fear May Have Been Kidnapped
Our government is yet again marching us towards a war of choice in the Middle East and our non-partisan, peace-loving celebrities have gone missing since late 2008. We fear the worst.
1. Sheryl Crow
Sheryl Crow
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“I think war is based in greed and there are huge karmic retributions that will follow. I think war is never the answer to solving any problems. The best way to solve problems is to not have enemies.”
— Sheryl Crow
2. Bruce Springsteen
Bruce Springsteen
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“War. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.”
— Bruce Springsteen
3. Martin Sheen
Martin Sheen
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“But I am equally against the death penalty or war — anywhere people are sacrificed for some end justifying a means.”
— Martin Sheen
4. Ed Asner
Ed Asner
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“I also think that there is a strong streak of racism, and whenever we engage in foreign adventures. Our whole history in regime change has been of people of different color.”
— Ed Asner
5. Sean Penn
Sean Penn
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“I think we’re past that point in human evolution where there’s such a thing as winning wars.”
— Sean Penn
6. Tim Robbins
Tim Robbins
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“It is very inspiring and amusing how many people have come out in this genuine and spontaneous way to embrace peace and reject war. It reminds us there is a human and gentle spirit out there in this world.”
— Tim Robbins
7. George Clooney
George Clooney
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“You can’t beat your enemy anymore through wars; instead you create an entire generation of people revenge-seeking.”
— George Clooney
8. Jackson Browne
Jackson Browne
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“American people always have to be tricked into going to war, they always have to be cajoled. I mean, there’s a long history of being lied to, of having things described in a particular way, in order to get them out of their sort of isolationist… prosperity mode and go to war.”
— Jackson Brown
9. Janeane Garofalo
Janeane Garofalo
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“War is failure! When you are at war, you have failed!”
— Janeane Garofalo
10. Neil Young
Neil Young
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“I don’t like war. I particularly don’t like the celebration of war.”
— Neil Young
11. Jessica Lange
Jessica Lange
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“Let’s talk for a minute about these masters of war, these same men that are sending our sons and our daughters, our brothers and sisters, our mothers and fathers to fight an undeclared and unconstitutional and unwinnable war for them.”
— Jessica Lange
12. Barbra Streisand
Barbra Streisand
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“You know, really good artists have a way of being relevant in their time — but great artists are relevant at any time. So, in the words of William Shakespeare, ‘Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor.”
— Barbra Streisand
13. Danny Glover
Danny Glover
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“The world has come together and said ‘no’ to this war – and we must stand with them.”
— Danny Glover
14. Susan Sarandon
Susan Sarandon
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“Let us resist this war. Let us hate war in all its forms, whether the weapon used is a missile or an airplane.”
— Susan Sarandon
The only explanation for their continued silence must be a large, organized kidnapping. To whoever is responsible for their disappearance, please post pictures of them holding a recent newspaper so we know they’re okay. Maybe one of these:

Yours in peace,
America

 

[jlprk]

It will be Tomahawks vs. Iskanders and Pechoras. You'll be hearing those words.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...ystem_to_light_truck_data_sheet_descript.html

http://www.armyrecognition.com/july...efense_missile_system_pechora-2m_1007123.html

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/russia-arms-syria-with-powerful-ballistic-missiles/#q2AKZRoMsUst1kdf.99

Expect some of these ships to sink.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/massiv...the-august-21-chemical-weapons-attack/5347766

 

[jlprk]

Pechoras hit airplanes. Iskanders sink ships. They are controlled by the Syrian military, not Russian. That will increase their use. Russia would be more reserved, and Syria more desperate, since it's Syria's ass on the line, not Russia's. Russia warned NATO what would happen if they sent Patriots.

Hours after NATO agreed on Tuesday to send Patriot missiles to Turkey because of the crisis in Syria, Russia delivered its first shipment of Iskander missiles to Syria.

The superior Iskander can travel at hypersonic speed of over 1.3 miles per second (Mach 6-7) and has a range of over 280 miles with pinpoint accuracy of destroying targets with its 1,500-pound warhead, a nightmare for any missile defense system.

According to Mashregh, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard media outlet, Russia had warned Turkey not to escalate the situation, but with Turkey’s request for Patriot missiles, it delivered its first shipment of Iskanders to Syria.

 

[jlprk]

The last time the U.S. fought a country with a foreign benefactor was Vietnam. Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan in the 2000s, Iraq again, Libya...no superpower helping them...no air force...easy police actions compared to the new Syria War.

Unless you include the CIA's low-key resistances in the 80s, in Afghanistan and Central America. Those weren't intense wars.

 

[julius]

Haha! Yes, nobody should ever question the idiot in the White House, regardless of party.

Yeah, because what you're talking about has anything to do with what I said.


Questioning the birth place of the president, and implying their religion (which R's always try to say doesn't matter to them) is one that most Americans know little about is exactly the same as what you said.

 

[oldguy]

I bet you wouldn't have to look too hard to find threads demanding Obama turn over his birth certificate or school records.

Plenty of those threads on S2.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/213851-Somebody-Wake-Up-the-Birthers?highlight=obama+birth+certificate

Well, yeah, except in the thread you linked, not one person said he wasn't born in the US, and not one person said he was a Muslim.

Go Blazers

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Yeah, those are on par with him talking to a world leader and calling him a jackass and dick.

You honestly think those are on the same level?

It must be difficult to grasp and those straws.

how about a level beyond

Bengazi

 

[Denny Crane]

Well, yeah, except in the thread you linked, not one person said he wasn't born in the US, and not one person said he was a Muslim.

Go Blazers

I guess some have moved on to "who paid for Barry?"

 

[Masbee]

It goes to show the nature of the echo chambers. The left believes in some caricature of W that is based on a cartoon like character built up by talking bullshit about him. The right believes Obama is a Muslim born in Africa, talking bullshit about him.

I see you have been called on your LIE already.

Just wanted to pile on that your statement is garbage.

"The Right" collectively do not believe what you claim they do.

 

[MarAzul]

Yeah, because what you're talking about has anything to do with what I said.


Questioning the birth place of the president, and implying their religion (which R's always try to say doesn't matter to them) is one that most Americans know little about is exactly the same as what you said.

There does seem to be some qualification that have be ignored.

Vattel Law Nation is most likely the source of the use by Madison of the Term Natural Born Citizen.
Here is a the salient point copied.

"“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by
certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its
advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the
country, of parents who are citizens."

"I say, that, in order to be of the country,
it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner,
it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

Then Congress use the term again in the Naturalization Act of 1790. again the salient point copied.

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea,
or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens:
Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States"

I can't find it's use anywhere else in Congressional law except of course the Constitution and there are no amendment that affect the requirement of the President to be a Natural Born Citizen.


My take is, Barrack Obama's Birth place was Hawaii and he is or was at one time qualified to be President of Kenya but never was qualified to be president of the United States. Under British law of that day, The Right of Decent would have made him a Kenyan through his father.

That is exactly what the provision in the Constitution was intended to avoid and Barrack Obama is demonstrating exactly why. The United States did not draw a Red Line in the sand,
Barrack Obama do so foolishly but was in no way qualified to do so for the United State.
I do believe the rest of the world may begin to see how foolish it was for the American voter
to give this interloper a run at the job when our own Constitution should have prevented this
unfortunate situation.

 

[julius]

Neat. Whats that got to do with anything important?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Neat. Whats that got to do with anything important?

Why does Obama want to bomb his Muslim brothers?

 

[MarAzul]

Why does Obama want to bomb his Muslim brothers?

I think this is a proxy war between the Shite lead by Iran and the Sunni lead by Riyad. A large segment of the population is Christian, Easter Orthodox and Asaad is protective of them as is Putin. His interest seem to be much stronger than ours since he has the same problems just North of there.

The conflict in Syria seems to be the rebels want to make the area Shite. In direct response to your question, I don't know! Does Barrak favor Shite or Sunni? He bowed deeply to the Saudi King if that is any clue. Remember, he doesn't want to take Assad out, just to the woodshed.

But it sure seem this red line save face is a crock. If that is all there is to it
why doesn't Barrack use his super diplomacy skills and ask Putin to take control of the cache in Syria. Shazam! World saved!

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g9Fu0WbCqTWm6kF5FRgE1KTl3fWQ?hl=en

Lulz

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.google.com/search?q=oba...ABKerigLHroDICw&start=10&sa=N&biw=320&bih=416

Fish in a barrel.

 

[MarAzul]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g9Fu0WbCqTWm6kF5FRgE1KTl3fWQ?hl=en

Lulz

Barrack was educated in Indonesia in all things to do with the Holy Quran. You can tell when he speaks of the beauty of it all. However, when he
wanted to learn his Christian way, he sure picked one nasty preacher. No beauty there.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think this is a proxy war between the Shite lead by Iran and the Sunni lead by Riyad. A large segment of the population is Christian, Easter Orthodox and Asaad is protective of them as is Putin. His interest seem to be much stronger than ours since he has the same problems just North of there.

The conflict in Syria seems to be the rebels want to make the area Shite. In direct response to your question, I don't know! Does Barrak favor Shite or Sunni? He bowed deeply to the Saudi King if that is any clue. Remember, he doesn't want to take Assad out, just to the woodshed.

But it sure seem this red line save face is a crock. If that is all there is to it
why doesn't Barrack use his super diplomacy skills and ask Putin to take control of the cache in Syria. Shazam! World saved!

By all means share your opinion, but is it too much to ask to at least get the basic facts right?

 

[MarAzul]

By all means share your opinion, but is it too much to ask to at least get the basic facts right?

Well let us hear your's ace.

 

[PapaG]

Why does Obama want to bomb his Muslim brothers?

Why are Muslim brothers bombing other Muslim brothers?

 

[MarAzul]

Why are Muslim brothers bombing other Muslim brothers?

The answer to that question has a hell of a lot more to do with the whole problem than any friggin red line drawn when a zipped lip would serve much better. Unless of course you are in on the know of the question you ask.

 

[PapaG]

The answer to that question has a hell of a lot more to do with the whole problem than any friggin red line drawn when a zipped lip would serve much better. Unless of course you are in on the know of the question you ask.

It was a rhetorical question.

 

[Denny Crane]

Of course it takes a billionaire to fund the making of Atlas Shrugged, but this film had no trouble being made.

http://www.loosechange911.com/

 

[MarAzul]

It was a rhetorical question.

Then I repeat it for real. It sort of pisses me off to have my nation participating like it was some sort of tool that didn't even need to know why.

 

[PapaG]

Of course it takes a billionaire to fund the making of Atlas Shrugged, but this film had no trouble being made.

http://www.loosechange911.com/

Loose Change is a great comedy. Right up there with Fahrenheit 911 in terms of scripting, storytelling, and absurdity.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=98603

 

[maxiep]

On another slightly funny note:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnekdahl/14-principled-anti-war-celebrities-we-fear-may-hav-a1x1

4. Ed Asner
Ed Asner
LAST KNOWN PRE-2009 COMMUNICATION:
“I also think that there is a strong streak of racism, and whenever we engage in foreign adventures. Our whole history in regime change has been of people of different color.”
— Ed Asner
The only explanation for their continued silence must be a large, organized kidnapping. To whoever is responsible for their disappearance, please post pictures of them holding a recent newspaper so we know they’re okay. Maybe one of these:

Yours in peace,
America

Great news! Ed Asner's been found!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/syria-why-hollywoods-anti-war-623326?imw=Y

 

[MarAzul]

I think this is a proxy war between the Shite lead by Iran and the Sunni lead by Riyad. A large segment of the population is Christian, Easter Orthodox and Asaad is protective of them as is Putin. His interest seem to be much stronger than ours since he has the same problems just North of there.

The conflict in Syria seems to be the rebels want to make the area Shite. In direct response to your question, I don't know! Does Barrak favor Shite or Sunni? He bowed deeply to the Saudi King if that is any clue. Remember, he doesn't want to take Assad out, just to the woodshed.

But it sure seem this red line save face is a crock. If that is all there is to it
why doesn't Barrack use his super diplomacy skills and ask Putin to take control of the cache in Syria. Shazam! World saved!

huh! I think I got that backward.

The rebels want to make the area Sunni. But why do we need to take a hand in this??
Darned if I can see it.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Great news! Ed Asner's been found!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/syria-why-hollywoods-anti-war-623326?imw=Y

This administration ought to insist that the international community charge [Assad] with a war crime and prosecute him, and in so doing Obama would be following the law instead of flaunting the law," Farrell said.

Who is the UN going to send in to arrest him? Do you think he'll just come quietly?

Another reason some Hollywood progressives have been reticent to speak out against war in Syria, according to Asner, is fear of being called racist.
"A lot of people don't want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama,"

So the principle of not "feeling anti-black" trumps the principle of "being against war"?

I voted for him, but I'm not proud. He hasn't thrown himself on the funeral pyre. I wanted him to sacrifice himself. Instead, he has proved himself to be a corporatist, and as long as he's a corporatist, he's not my president."

:smh:

 

[Denny Crane]

Brian,

My understanding of NATO is that should one member country be attacked, the others all come to the aid of that country. This is how NATO countries got involved in Afghanistan, if I remember correctly.

You know my preference is we stay out of foreign interventions. You've asked in the past whether we should have stopped the Nazis. It's clear they were invading our allies, so yes we should have.

Now you ask who the UN is going to send in to arrest Assad. Of course it would be us. It would be the UN sending us in, not Obama or some other president of the USA.

Article IV of the Constitution reads, in part:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

So we can and must do our duty to fulfill those treaties such as NATO and with the UN.

 

[Denny Crane]