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You've posted some really stupid things in the past, but this cartoon may take the cake. Do you really believe that: a) the ACA is the same bill as those suggested by those of us on the right in the past; and b) that those on the right always favor war? If so, I've give you a lot more credit for your intelligence than you deserve.
 
If it's true that nobody benefits from a strike on Syria, a smart man in that position would realize his precarious position and look for an out, then try halfheartedly to convice the public it was totally his idea all along.

A smart man would have never put themselves in that position in the first place.
 
You've posted some really stupid things in the past, but this cartoon may take the cake. Do you really believe that: a) the ACA is the same bill as those suggested by those of us on the right in the past; and b) that those on the right always favor war? If so, I've give you a lot more credit for your intelligence than you deserve.

If you think I drew that comic, I'm flattered.
 
I never said you drew that comic. I merely said you were stupid enough to post it as a demonstration of your thoughts.

I think you and I are at a point where it is impossible to tell what the other actually thinks.
 
Great reading all your posts. I don't know what position to take but I lean towards "do nothing." My brother who is a Commander in the Navy and is actually supposed to go to Beirut (Syria's neighbor) for work IN TWO WEEKS says that he is against bombing Syria. My husband who follows everything more closely than I do thinks we should make a surgical attack to take away their ability to make the chemical weapons.
They're not necessarily making chemical weapons, if I understand correctly. They're using them, including some that have been stockpiled there since they were taken out of Iraq during Desert Shield/Desert Storm.
 
Let's arm these guys.

http://finance.townhall.com/columni...urce=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

Syrian Rebels Continue to Plunder Christian Villages

Syria: The fighting has continued with no let up. The government has made small gains in multiple areas. However an al-Qaida-affiliated group of the al Nusra Front drove government forces from the village of Maaloula. This is one of the three villages in the world that still speak a variation of Western Aramaic, which is the language thought to be closest to the language spoken by Jesus of Nazareth.

As occurs whenever a Christian village is captured, the fighters looted and burned the churches as well as the Christian homes. Government forces were reported to be preparing to retake the village on 9 September.

Syrian opposition fighters released a Belgian and an Italian whom they had held hostage since April. The two arrived in Italy on 9 September. The terms of their release have not been disclosed.

The Belgian, Pierre Piccinin, told Belgian press that he overheard three rebels, one of whom identified himself as a Free Syrian Army general, talking about the gas attack on 21 August. He said the rebels said the Syrian government did not execute the attack or any attack. The rebels said it was the rebels who executed the attack in order to trigger Western intervention.

Comment: The Belgian was still in captivity when he overheard the conversation. This adds weight to the contention the case against Asad is fraudulent because Piccinin says he has been a strong supporter of the rebel movement. He said since he has been covering the Syrian uprising, the "revolution": has turned into something very dangerous.
 
Oh! That might have been below the belt.:tsktsk:

Carter's biggest problem was his incompetent leadership.

With Obama, you have incompetent leadership combined with a pathological liar. It's one for the books.
 
American taxpayers are literally arming Al Qaeda in Syria.

This should be an impeachable offense, and it coming out on 9/11? Are you fucking kidding me? And before this becomes a partisan issue, I'll point out that McCain, Corker, and some other GOP senators support this.

It's funny. The government is trying to ban "assault weapons" in the US, yet it is using our money to buy military-grade weaponry for Al Qaeda in Syria.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...cf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures. The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear — a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syria’s civil war.

The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month.
 
Poignant comment from the WaPo article.

Center-RightAlright
10:17 PM PDT
Did these rebels pass a background check and how large are their magazines? Are they in gun free zones? Think of the children.
 
This is the "expert" that Kerry and McCain have quoted in the last week.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/us/syria-elizabeth-obagy-fired/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Syria writer Elizabeth O'Bagy, cited by Kerry, McCain, fired for Ph.D. lie

(CNN) -- A lie about earning a Ph.D. cost a Syria expert her job as an analyst days after her op-ed in the Wall Street Journal was cited by Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain in congressional hearings about possible U.S. military action in the war-torn country.

Elizabeth O'Bagy, who was an analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, said she had earned a doctorate from Georgetown University when she had not, the organization announced Wednesday.

"The Institute for the Study of War has learned and confirmed that, contrary to her representations, Ms. Elizabeth O'Bagy does not in fact have a Ph.D. degree from Georgetown University. ISW has accordingly terminated Ms. O'Bagy's employment, effective immediately," the institute posted in an online statement Wednesday.

The president of the institute, Dr. Kim Kagan, said she was surprised to learn of O'Bagy's lie just before the former senior research analyst admitted it on Tuesday. The decision to terminate O'Bagy's employment at the institute was made later that day, Kagan said.

O'Bagy was hired a year ago as a research analyst, after she had been working as an intern at the institute for a few months. O'Bagy proved to be an exceptional researcher and analyst, and Kagan said she was "pleased and proud to move her forward."

Last week, both Kerry and McCain cited O'Bagy's op-ed piece, which was published in the Wall Street Journal on August 30, titled "On the Front Lines of Syria's Civil War." Part of the debate over authorizing American military action is how many of the rebel groups are extremist and how many are moderate.
According to O'Bagy's op-ed, extremists and moderates exercise control over distinct areas of the country, and checkpoints are often set up to define territory. Also, there are distinct areas where moderate rebels are in control and can keep weapons out of the hands of extremists, O'Bagy told CNN in an interview last week. Kerry and McCain agreed with O'Bagy that Syria is a secular state; McCain even called her op-ed "important."

Initially, the Wall Street Journal only recognized O'Bagy as a "senior analyst" at the institute, but a clarification was later added, stating her affiliation with the Syrian Emergency Task Force, a non-profit organization based in Washington that advocates a free and democratic Syria.

O'Bagy responded on Twitter last week to scrutiny over her association with the Syrian rebel advocacy group, writing she never tried to conceal her ties with opposition and rebel commanders and is not being paid to advocate her views on Syria. Rather these connections allow her to travel more safely in Syria, she wrote.


"I'm not trying to trick America here," O'Bagy tweeted on September 7.
Before accepting her position as political director of SETF, O'Bagy had to ask Kagan for approval. Kagan granted her permission because O'Bagy said she would be distributing humanitarian aid to Syrian people.

SETF posted a news release online in May, welcoming "Dr. Elizabeth O'Bagy" to its Washington staff. The news release has since been removed.

It's unclear whether O'Bagy still holds her position at the SETF in light of the revelations about her non-existent doctorate degree. The organization declined to comment Wednesday.

According to Kagan, the institute never had reason to doubt O'Bagy's qualifications, and she could not comprehend any motivation the former employee would have for lying about her education.

O'Bagy was not immediately reached for comment Wednesday.

O'Bagy received a Master of Arts degree in Arab Studies from Georgetown University in May and was allegedly working on her dissertation for a Ph.D, which she told Kagan she had completed later that month, Kagan said.

"I hired (O'Bagy) without (a doctorate degree) and would have kept her if she hadn't pursued it. So this is particularly sad," Kagan said.

Despite the lie, Kagan said she is "confident" in the work O'Bagy produced for the institute, because she and other research officials for the institute validate any research and argumentation that is published. Also, O'Bagy never had the administrative power to enter data into the institute's resource database, she said.

"I do trust her work," Kagan said.

O'Bagy has appeared on several television networks, including BBC, CNN, Fox and PBS. Last week, she was a guest on CNN Newsroom and Fox News, speaking about Syria. Because of the revelation about her false doctorate, O'Bagy will not appear again as an analyst on CNN networks.
 
American taxpayers are literally arming Al Qaeda in Syria.

This should be an impeachable offense, and it coming out on 9/11? Are you fucking kidding me? And before this becomes a partisan issue, I'll point out that McCain, Corker, and some other GOP senators support this.

It's funny. The government is trying to ban "assault weapons" in the US, yet it is using our money to buy military-grade weaponry for Al Qaeda in Syria.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...cf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

No shit! this is completely ridiculous. I believe Putin has better insight into what is happening in Syria than any of our so call leaders. This war has more to do with religion and power through religion
No one in the US is talking about the right thing at all! Arm Al Qaeda can't be the answer, it is an impeachable offense.
 
Most, if not all, of the middle eastern states had borders arbitrarily drawn by the Brits (or French) and monarchs installed. Without those borders, what would there be but one big nation the size of the former Ottoman Empire? What would the government be?

Maybe there would have been borders drawn up by the actual tribal territories? Rule Britannia!
 
Most, if not all, of the middle eastern states had borders arbitrarily drawn by the Brits (or French) and monarchs installed. Without those borders, what would there be but one big nation the size of the former Ottoman Empire? What would the government be?

Tribal, or at least semi-feudal. And it most certainly wouldn't be one big "nation." Even under the Ottomans, power was mostly held by regional governing bodies under a suzerainty.
 
Tribal, or at least semi-feudal. And it most certainly wouldn't be one big "nation." Even under the Ottomans, power was mostly held by regional governing bodies under a suzerainty.

I don't see that working in a modern world where communication and travel to anywhere is so quick.

I would think the Ottomans would want the oil revenues, for example. Someone needs to represent at the UN. And that's just the tip of that iceberg.

A tribal scheme? It'd be bloody warfare all the time. All about oil :)
 
There's a wonderful book by Margaret McMillan entitled "Paris, 1919" that explains a good deal of the history. There certainly should be a Kurdistan, a larger Armenia, three countries instead of Iraq and two to four countries instead of Syria.
 
There's a wonderful book by Margaret McMillan entitled "Paris, 1919" that explains a good deal of the history. There certainly should be a Kurdistan, a larger Armenia, three countries instead of Iraq and two to four countries instead of Syria.

And yet, to what end?

I have gone from being mildly pessimistic about the region to "there is no hope".

You can't fix what is fundamentally broken.

And, until Islam is fixed - yes all of Islam is broken in the sense that it is infected with a raging cancer that is so out of control that the entire body is in peril;

until Islam is fixed, or the fundamentalism runs its course, adjusting borders, and giving certain tribes more local power, blah, blah, blah, it is all just pissing into the wind.
 

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