Takeaways From Portland’s 2015 Las Vegas Summer League

[magnifier661]

I would take the 2012/13 LMA, Batum, and Wes over any three players on this roster other than Dame. At that time, Batum was one of the most asked about players GMs wanted to trade for. It was rumored we could have made the trade for CP3, but PA would not include Batum in the trade.

To be fair, compare this Blazers roster to last season TWolves.

The TWolvers were a 40 win team before trading their all star PF KLove. The next season, they only won 16 games, and that was with Wiggins, a healthy #1 draft pick.

The Blazers were a 51 win team last season. However, after losing 4 of their 5 starters, including their all star PF LMA, and several veteran bench players, predicting more than 20 Blazer wins this season is very optimistic.

The only advantage this Blazers roster has over last seasons TWolves is all-star Dame. Other than Dame, a side by side comparison of the two rosters shows a talent level advantage to the TWolves. Both teams are stacked with “potential”. However, the TWolves are ahead of the Blazers developing their potential.

So much undeveloped potential is the real problem for this Blazers roster. Eventually, some of their players will be able to make a positive impact. And eventually, some of them will develop chemistry playing with each other. Eventually, but not this season.

Couple things you missed out on. How many games we lose when we didn't have dame but had LA, Matthews and Batum?

Wiggins was only a rookie and he was playing like shit until the midway point of the season. Dame now is way better than the wiggins of last year.

Then you must account for all Minny's injuries to boot. Then add that their coach is stuck in the 90's and you got a recipe for disaster. We will easily win over 30 games.

 

[oldfisherman]

Couple things you missed out on. How many games we lose when we didn't have dame but had LA, Matthews and Batum? Dame played all 82 games, not sure what your talking about here.

Wiggins was only a rookie and he was playing like shit until the midway point of the season. Dame now is way better than the wiggins of last year.
I did not compare Wiggins to Dame. I compared rookie Wiggins to our rookies. It took Wiggins, the #1 draft pick, half a season to find the BB. And you think our young kids are going to be eye of tigers out of the gate?

Then you must account for all Minny's injuries to boot. Then add that their coach is stuck in the 90's and you got a recipe for disaster. We will easily win over 30 games.
Are you predicting the Blazers will not have a single injury this season? Neat.

Oldmangrouch is right, you’re hitting the shrooms way to early, and too often.

 

[tlongII]

You said well be lucky to win 20. Put money on that and I'm in

What I said is irrelevant. Do you want to bet or not?

 

[magnifier661]

Oldmangrouch is right, you’re hitting the shrooms way to early, and too often.

Pay attention sir... I'm talking about the year before Dame came to Portland.

But if you are feeling froggy , you can take up the $100 bet with me

 

[magnifier661]

What I said is irrelevant. Do you want to bet or not?

Yes, I will be the over of 30 wins for $100

 

[tlongII]

I'll be you! $100?

You're on bitch!

 

[tlongII]

And if I win I get your wife!

 

[magnifier661]

You're on bitch!

Whoohoo!

 

[tester551]

I would take the 2012/13 LMA, Batum, and Wes over any three players on this roster other than Dame. At that time, Batum was one of the most asked about players GMs wanted to trade for. It was rumored we could have made the trade for CP3, but PA would not include Batum in the trade.

To be fair, compare this Blazers roster to last season TWolves.

The TWolvers were a 40 win team before trading their all star PF KLove. The next season, they only won 16 games, and that was with Wiggins, a healthy #1 draft pick.

The Blazers were a 51 win team last season. However, after losing 4 of their 5 starters, including their all star PF LMA, and several veteran bench players, predicting more than 20 Blazer wins this season is very optimistic.

The only advantage this Blazers roster has over last seasons TWolves is all-star Dame. Other than Dame, a side by side comparison of the two rosters shows a talent level advantage to the TWolves. Both teams are stacked with “potential”. However, the TWolves are ahead of the Blazers developing their potential.

So much undeveloped potential is the real problem for this Blazers roster. Eventually, some of their players will be able to make a positive impact. And eventually, some of them will develop chemistry playing with each other. Eventually, but not this season.

But KLove is a better player than LMA. Of course the wolves would struggle more

 

[jlprk]

Yes, I will be the over of 30 wins for $100

I think we'll beat 30. But to get to 40, Lillard will have to return to his rookie clutch shooting, and I don't think he can. Success has made him mentally fat.

Also, for these personnel, Stotts would have to change his system from offense to defense, and I don't think he can.

 

[riverman]

We're pretty much going to be the sparring partners of the west..I just hope we go the distance and don't ever get knocked out. Float like a butterfly, Sting like a bee!

 

[oldfisherman]

Pay attention sir... I'm talking about the year before Dame came to Portland.

The year before Dame, the Blazers only won 28 games with fatty Felton at PG. However, that was the short 66 game season. If you extend that same win rate out to the regular 82 game season, the Blazers win 35-36 games.

The next season the Blazers only won 34 games with Dame, LMA, Batum, Wes & Hickson.

I still do not understand what your point is. The Blazers actually had a slightly worse win rate with rookie Dame starting @ PG over veteran fatty Felton. It was Dame’s second season, and ROLO's first season, before the team improved its win rate.

 

[magnifier661]

The year before Dame, the Blazers only won 28 games with fatty Felton at PG. However, that was the short 66 game season. If you extend that same win rate out to the regular 82 game season, the Blazers win 35-36 games.

The next season the Blazers only won 34 games with Dame, LMA, Batum, Wes & Hickson.

I still do not understand what your point is. The Blazers actually had a slightly worse win rate with rookie Dame starting @ PG over veteran fatty Felton. It was Dame’s second season, and ROLO's first season, before the team improved its win rate.

The fatty Felton crew lost something like 15 in a row. Nate was fired and players were dumped mid season. No chance they win a single game more.

So we got a bet or what?!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The fatty Felton crew lost something like 15 in a row. Nate was fired and players were dumped mid season. No chance they win a single game more.

So we got a bet or what?!

What kind of odds are you offering?

 

[magnifier661]

What kind of odds are you offering?

You ain't getting odds. If anything, you should give me odds! I'm doing a straight up bet.

 

[oldfisherman]

The fatty Felton crew lost something like 15 in a row. Nate was fired and players were dumped mid season. No chance they win a single game more.
BS

So we got a bet or what?!

I am retired, trying to live a dignified life on social security. There is no room in my budget for gambling.

Besides, I would want you to win because I want the Blazers to do well. I do not believe you would win. However, if you did win the bet, to collect, you would need to go to Las Vegas and take enough light bulbs to cover the bet. I have paid for many of the lights in Vegas gambling there using a sure system at the craps table.

 

[jlprk]

Why don't you bet him fish to dollars? You pay in fish or he pays in dollars.

You can even offer to pay for his postage for his check, if he'll pay for shipping the fish.

He is guaranteed to come out behind, even if he wins.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I am retired, trying to live a dignified life on social security. There is no room in my budget for gambling.

Besides, I would want you to win because I want the Blazers to do well. I do not believe you would win. However, if you did win the bet, to collect, you would need to go to Las Vegas and take enough light bulbs to cover the bet. I have paid for many of the lights in Vegas gambling there using a sure system at the craps table.

Read this thread and then start playing MyVegas.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/hittin-las-vegas-next-week.280390/

You'll rack up some great free comps in a just a few months.

 

[magnifier661]

I am retired, trying to live a dignified life on social security. There is no room in my budget for gambling.

Besides, I would want you to win because I want the Blazers to do well. I do not believe you would win. However, if you did win the bet, to collect, you would need to go to Las Vegas and take enough light bulbs to cover the bet. I have paid for many of the lights in Vegas gambling there using a sure system at the craps table.

What's BS is people saying the Blazers will be lucky to win 20 games.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What's BS is people saying the Blazers will be lucky to win 20 games.

It's not BS. I'm having a hard time seeing where the scoring is going to come from. Teams are going to double team the shit out of Lillard. But here's the deal, if I believe the Blazers are going to struggle to win 20 games and then end up winning 25 games, I'm a happy fan. They exceeded my expectations. If you believe that they'll win 30 games and they only win 25 games you'll be disappointed. If they do win 30 games I'll still be a happier fan than you because they barely met your expectations while blasting past mine.

I'm setting myself up to be a happy fan while you're a 50/50 shot at being bitterly disappointed.

 

[Hobbesarable]

What's BS is people saying the Blazers will be lucky to win 20 games.

Win or lose, I'll be happy if the team sets up a successful foundation that'll produce a juggernaut within the next 2 to 3 seasons. There will be some obvious growing pains and we, as fans, will need to at least practice some patience during that time. Go Blazers!

 

[riverman]

It's not BS. I'm having a hard time seeing where the scoring is going to come from. Teams are going to double team the shit out of Lillard. But here's the deal, if I believe the Blazers are going to struggle to win 20 games and then end up winning 25 games, I'm a happy fan. They exceeded my expectations. If you believe that they'll win 30 games and they only win 25 games you'll be disappointed. If they do win 30 games I'll still be a happier fan than you because they barely met your expectations while blasting past mine.

I'm setting myself up to be a happy fan while you're a 50/50 shot at being bitterly disappointed.

Scoring is going to come from Plumlee and Davis putting back missed shots...those missed shots should be called assists or ugly oops

 

[riverman]

Win or lose, I'll be happy if the team sets up a successful foundation that'll produce a juggernaut within the next 2 to 3 seasons. There will be some obvious growing pains and we, as fans, will need to at least practice some patience during that time. Go Blazers!

Addition by subtraction! Great post!

 

[Nikolokolus]

What's BS is people saying the Blazers will be lucky to win 20 games.

Chances are they'd be in great position to get the number one pick in the lottery, so 20 wins would definitely be lucky!

Me I'm more pessimistic about their chances, I've got the over under at 27.5

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Chances are they'd be in great position to get the number one pick in the lottery, so 20 wins would definitely be lucky!

Hopefully there will be a once in a generation center for us to select.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Hopefully there will be a once in a generation center for us to select.

Please, for the sake of Blazer fans everywhere, draft the scoring assassin next time!

 

[riverman]

Hopefully there will be a once in a generation center for us to select.

He's still looking for a job last I heard.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He's still looking for a job last I heard.

Considering what he did to his last girlfriend he should try and get a PPV match with Rhonda Rousey.

 

[magnifier661]

It's not BS. I'm having a hard time seeing where the scoring is going to come from. Teams are going to double team the shit out of Lillard. But here's the deal, if I believe the Blazers are going to struggle to win 20 games and then end up winning 25 games, I'm a happy fan. They exceeded my expectations. If you believe that they'll win 30 games and they only win 25 games you'll be disappointed. If they do win 30 games I'll still be a happier fan than you because they barely met your expectations while blasting past mine.

I'm setting myself up to be a happy fan while you're a 50/50 shot at being bitterly disappointed.

Lmao dude what world do you live in that doesn't expect the most wins possible? Do you date really ugly girls because if they are a bit prettier, you won't be disappointed? I only like hot chicks and damn hot teams. And the Blazers are fire... Deal with it!

 

[magnifier661]

Chances are they'd be in great position to get the number one pick in the lottery, so 20 wins would definitely be lucky!

Me I'm more pessimistic about their chances, I've got the over under at 27.5

Exactly my point. I just don't see 20 wins. Our team ain't that bad. I think we will be around 30-33 wins, but I wouldn't even be surprised if they win 42. It's that wide open