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Come on, America. Please, educate yourself.

The Fox News generation?
 
A ton more video's like that. Stuff even from Beck's rally.

LOL @ 10:25 and on. After talking about how fair Beck and Hannity are, and how factual they are, going on to call CNN evil and communist. LOL!

The "Fox News Generation" fits well.

Sadly, I agree with plenty philosophies of the real republican party. But I'd be embarrassed to call myself a Republican or Tea Partier. I'm embarrassed to call myself a Ron Paul supporter now and I love me some Ron Paul!
 
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Poor, poor Mr. Jay. It's sad when you take a video of morons and believe it's a portrayal of a group as a whole. Here's a newsflash for you: Every party/movement has whackjobs and idiots associated with it.

Here's another piece of information you may find helpful: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html

Next time, try looking at data before you come to a conclusion about a group of people. Kthx.
 
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Here's a newsflash for you: Every party/movement has whackjobs and idiots associated with it.

That's true of course; however I haven't ever seen quite such a collection of morons as that from any other group. But then I haven't watched every video on Youtube either, so I can't say for sure that they don't exist. For the narrator to have found such a large number of morons at one gathering does suggest that the density, pun intended, of morons was very high at that particular rally.

barfo
 
fta:

“I just feel he’s getting away from what America is,” said Kathy Mayhugh, 67, a retired medical transcriber in Jacksonville. “He’s a socialist. And to tell you the truth, I think he’s a Muslim and trying to head us in that direction, I don’t care what he says. He’s been in office over a year and can’t find a church to go to. That doesn’t say much for him.”
And nearly three-quarters of those who favor smaller government said they would prefer it even if it meant spending on domestic programs would be cut.
But in follow-up interviews, Tea Party supporters said they did not want to cut Medicare or Social Security — the biggest domestic programs, suggesting instead a focus on “waste.”
Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.
Others could not explain the contradiction.
“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”

Those quotes come across to me as a mix of ignorance, anger and racism.
 
That last quote is what really bothers me more than anything else about the Tea Party movement. It's the intellectual dishonesty of those who really know better who say they want to "cut big government," but don't acknowledge that it really means "cutting Medicare and Social Security and defense."

I can respect the libertarians who truly believe in cutting all facets of government including those entitlements. And in some ways, I agree. I think we should push back SS retirement age, for example.

But it's just crass pandering by Tea Party leaders when they don't force their supporters to confront the true implications of what they are arguing for. "Cutting waste" and "freedom" isn't policy. Eliminating Social Security or reducing Medicare expenditures or our armed forces is. But you rarely hear them talk about that, because once they do they lose half of their support.
 
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Those quotes come across to me as a mix of ignorance, anger and racism.

What's your point? That you believe it to be the mainstream of the Tea Party movement?
 
I just watched the video - and I am outraged that Obama is going to make fishing illegal. Fishing is crucial. Fish poop in our rivers, making them unhealthy. If there would be no fishing in our rivers, we would drown in poop. That's unacceptable to me. (and to governor Sabas).
 
Just to add--I think the real long-term solution is pretty obvious. We need significant cuts in entitlement spending and we need tax increases. It's going to happen at some point.

That's just a message Americans don't want to hear, so neither party is selling it.
 
Just to add--I think the real long-term solution is pretty obvious. We need significant cuts in entitlement spending and we need tax increases. It's going to happen at some point.

That's just a message Americans don't want to hear, so neither party is selling it.

For the record, the only movement that is discussing that reality as having to occur are the very people who you describe as ignorant, angry and racist.
 
For the record, the only movement that is discussing that reality as having to occur are the very people who you describe as ignorant, angry and racist.

Yeah, if I was a libertarian I'd think twice before associating myself with a bunch of ignorant angry racists. But I guess you've got to build a coalition somehow, and ignorant angry racists are an available voting block.

barfo
 
For the record, the only movement that is discussing that reality as having to occur are the very people who you describe as ignorant, angry and racist.

I really don't see that being discussed by them, though. I certainly haven't heard much about a serious plan for entitlement and defense reduction or tax increases. If anything, I think a typical Tea Party candidate would like to see expanded tax cuts with pretty marginal spending reductions, throwing us further into debt.
 
Yeah, if I was a libertarian I'd think twice before associating myself with a bunch of ignorant angry racists. But I guess you've got to build a coalition somehow, and ignorant angry racists are an available voting block.

barfo

The data seems to bear out that its the folks with which you politically identify who are the ones that are ignorant, angry and racist.
 
For the record, the only movement that is discussing that reality as having to occur are the very people who you describe as ignorant, angry and racist.

I don't describe them as ignorant angry racists.

You said it was the editorializing in that article that made them out to be ignorant angry racists. I was merely pointing out that it wasn't just editorializing (although there definitely was that element)--the author also pulled actual quotes from actual Tea Part members that were ignorant, angry and racist.
 
The data seems to bear out that its the folks with which you politically identify who are the ones that are ignorant, angry and racist.

I don't see any evidence of that, but feel free to point it out.

barfo
 
I don't describe them as ignorant angry racists.

You said it was the editorializing in that article that made them out to be ignorant angry racists. I was merely pointing out that it wasn't just editorializing (although there definitely was that element)--the author also pulled actual quotes from actual Tea Part members that were ignorant, angry and racist.

And I said you were using (and/or agreeing) with the editorializing that the entire Tea Party shared those views.
 
And I said you were using (and/or agreeing) with the editorializing that the entire Tea Party shared those views.

I didn't agree that the Tea Party is racist. I never have. I do think the idiots they quoted were.

I do think there's an intentionally ignorant element to their leadership and many of the rank and file aren't questioning it:
"Cut big government!" but "don't cut my Medicare or my Social Security or defense spending!".

It's just idiotic when you look at where all the "big government" spending is, and where it's growing. It's doublethink of epic proportions, but it's what you have to do when so much of your support comes from senior citizens.
 
I'd also add that I do think they are generally "angry". But I doubt anybody disagrees with that.
 
I didn't agree that the Tea Party is racist. I never have. I do think the idiots they quoted were.

I do think there's an intentionally ignorant element to their leadership and many of the rank and file aren't questioning it:
"Cut big government!" but "don't cut my Medicare or my Social Security or defense spending!".

It's just idiotic when you look at where all the "big government" spending is, and where it's growing. It's doublethink of epic proportions, but it's what you have to do when so much of your support comes from senior citizens.

If that's your conclusion (that Tea Partiers believe the idea that entitlements need to be cut, but they want theirs intact), then I would invite you to learn a bit more about the Tea Party. I can assure you through the involvement I've had with them that the vast majority are familiar with and highly supportive of Paul Ryan's Roadmap.
 
Teabaggers are ignorant racists.

This astute political analysis is brought to you by barfo.
 
Teabaggers are ignorant racists.

This astute political analysis is brought to you by barfo.

You forgot angry. How could you forget angry?

barfo
 
Something to ponder, mook.

The budget was balanced in 2001 and govt. spent just $2T. 10 years later govt. is spending $3.5T. Is there really any excuse for govt. to have grown by 75% over 10 years? NO!

We literally can cut back to 2001 levels, providing a pretty awesome set of govt. services (after all, we had them when Clinton was president). Govt. revenues happen to be $2.1T, so we'd be running a surplus again, even in this economy. There'd be no need to cut social security, either, FWIW.
 
I don't get that part. The overrun between receipts and outlays for SS/M/M is 500B. The entire income from individual income taxes is only around 1T. You're talking about spending half of our taxes just on SS overrun.

BTW, I like the idea of being part of the "Responsibility Generation"
 
I don't get that part. The overrun between receipts and outlays for SS/M/M is 500B. The entire income from individual income taxes is only around 1T. You're talking about spending half of our taxes just on SS overrun.

BTW, I like the idea of being part of the "Responsibility Generation"

I didn't mention medicare.

SS is 20% of expenses by and 42% of income for the govt.

About $700B in expenses and about $828B in income.
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...arrative-debunked-in-one-night-106595448.html

“Violent,” “angry,” “fear-mongering” Tea Party narrative debunked in one night

Allegedly, the Tea Party movement has been violent, angry, intent to incite fear and hate among the populace. These narratives weren’t true — tonight’s vote has proven them caricatures laid out by journalists with short wordcounts and shorter attention spans.

Violent movements do not do these things. They don’t show up at the polls and overwhelm the establishment in favor of a minority candidate, as in the case of Sen.-elect Marco Rubio, R-Fla. They also don’t lose so badly, as in the case of Christine O’Donnell. They don’t take on, and nearly defeat, the leader of the majority party in the Senate, at the same time as he colludes with casinos in a potentially illegal scheme to get out the vote in his favor. They don’t settle for a more liberal candidate in Illinois just because he’s the most electable.

Yet they did all of those things. Strange.

The Tea Party movement, at its very inception, has focused on the rule of law and limited government as reasons for its existence. The Troubled Asset Relief Program, originally passed so that the government could remove toxic assets from the ballot sheets of banks to prevent huge bank failures, had become a bank bailout outside the scope of what was originally intended. Then came the Homeowners Affordability and Stability Plan to provide aid to homeowners delinquent on their mortgages. This led to the famous Rick Santelli rant on the floor of the Chicago Stock Exchange: “This is America! How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor’s mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can’t pay their bills?”

Floor traders — floor traders — began yelling in agreement with him. One leaned over into the mic: “It’s a moral hazard!” This is the spark that lit this fire.

Contrast that to the guys in the tri-corner hats holding signs depicting President Obama as some kind of tribesman.

The government was spinning out of control, trying to contain a crisis it had helped to create. The only thing that could bring order to the government, Tea Party activists believed, was the founding document that allowed it to exist for over 200 years before, through depressions, wars, and disasters — and a willingness to uphold it.

Ponder that: The deck is already stacked. Opponents claim to recognize no limits on government (here, consider Rep. Phil Hare’s, D-Ill., assertion that he doesn’t worry about the Constitution, and feign surprise that he didn’t win his reelection). Opponents then draw support from constituents enriched by that government growth.

Obamacare only confirmed the suspicions — rammed through despite huge opposition and three off-year elections, including a Republican senator in Massachusetts, saying, “Don’t.”

Did they rebel, I mean, literally, amidst what they felt to be the violation of the Constitution? They surely addressed it as villainous — tyranny was the word on so many signs. Obama dressed as Hitler. The most gaffe-tastic (and sadly photogenic) posters ever. Ridiculous hyperbole. But actual rebellion?

No. They started electing people.

Here’s where the rubber meets the road. One year on, Tea Party activists stayed passionate. They jumped into primaries. Sure, they listened to talk radio. So what? The inspiration for this movement wasn’t all whipped up by radio personalities, it was whipped up by people’s own sentiments about their country, and the understanding that, unchecked, the Democrats would be sure to run it into the ground, and worse, with possibly the best intentions.

They took on the establishment candidates and won — as with Rand Paul in Kentucky, a man to the right of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

They also won extravagantly: Delaware’s Christine O’Donnell, the media-sanctified weirdo (Pew Research claims she was the most covered candidate this cycle which says more about the press’s prejudice than O’Donnell’s prominence), primaried incumbent Republican Mike Castle, only to give way, spectacularly, to a Democrat. It was not a seat they could seriously think about winning, but the message was more important, and enough compromises had been made along the way. It’s easy to disagree with that reasoning, sure, but it’s hard to reject it as mere stupidity. It’s a debate held in state houses every session.

The truth is, when you spend enough time in Washington, every campaign is the most important one ever.

When you hear that eye-rolling statement from people who spend time here, it’s not because it’s a kind of particularly profound insight into the way campaigns and our political system works. It’s because people are surprised that they got so carried away in all that time, when winning was the only thing.

Tea Party activists, just by showing up on the political stage, to fight within the political process, proved every broad stereotype hurled at them wrong. This campaign, for them, was the most important one ever, and perhaps they’re surprised that they got so carried away. But chances are, most of them aren’t surprised. They’re probably just getting ready for 2012.
 

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