Teams still below the minimum payroll

[PtldPlatypus]

As of now, the following teams are still significantly below the minimum payroll of $52.811 million (all figures include the salaries of any unsigned 1st round picks):

• Atlanta--$39,973,215 (after signing Elton Brand today)--12 players
• Charlotte--$49,740,131--10 players
• Milwaukee--$42,043,123 (Depending on how they structure Mayo's deal)--10 players
• Philadelphia--$46,793,010 (Factoring in Royce White)--10 players
• Sacramento--$49,062,866--12 players

The point of this is to ask--what are the chances that any of these teams would want to take Freeland off our hands for nothing, since they have so much cap room remaining, and they have to pay the at least the minimum payroll anyway?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

FREELAND + A 1ST FOR CAP SPACE

GET IT DONE KP

 

[magnifier661]

As of now, the following teams are still significantly below the minimum payroll of $52.811 million (all figures include the salaries of any unsigned 1st round picks):

• Atlanta--$39,973,215 (after signing Elton Brand today)--12 players
• Charlotte--$49,740,131--10 players
• Milwaukee--$42,043,123 (Depending on how they structure Mayo's deal)--10 players
• Philadelphia--$46,793,010 (Factoring in Royce White)--10 players
• Sacramento--$49,062,866--12 players

The point of this is to ask--what are the chances that any of these teams would want to take Freeland off our hands for nothing, since they have so much cap room remaining, and they have to pay the at least the minimum payroll anyway?

I don't see any of them wasting money on freeland. They could give it to any other group of players that are better and cheaper than him.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

if they dont use it they have to pay it anyways right?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

if they dont use it they have to pay it anyways right?

Freeland still has 2 years left. If he had just 1 year left some of those teams might take him for a 2nd rounder. But 2 years? No way.

 

[magnifier661]

if they dont use it they have to pay it anyways right?

Yeah i think they must have a minimum salary.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

freeland + 3 million dollars for nothing...next year

 

[Wizard Mentor]

freeland + 3 million dollars for nothing...next year

Like I said no one is going to take on 2 years of Freeland, however I just wanted to point out that we already sent out 1.5mil in the Lopez trade kicker (I think) and we can send out a max of 3 mil/year regardless of how much we take in.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Like I said no one is going to take on 2 years of Freeland, however I just wanted to point out that we already sent out 1.5mil in the Lopez trade kicker (I think) and we can send out a max of 3 mil/year regardless of how much we take in.

I read somewhere recently that the max that a team can use per year to sweeten trades is 3.6m.

 

[BrianFromWA]

it's 3.2M this year. It goes up every year in the CBA.

As for "minimum salary", it's just that--salary, not cap number. Roy's amnestied contract that we're still paying for counts for that "floor". So while for some teams it may actually be that cap number = payroll number, it's not always the case.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

The second year is going to be the deal killer.

 

[NOVoodoo]

As of now, the following teams are still significantly below the minimum payroll of $52.811 million (all figures include the salaries of any unsigned 1st round picks):

• Atlanta--$39,973,215 (after signing Elton Brand today)--12 players
• Charlotte--$49,740,131--10 players
• Milwaukee--$42,043,123 (Depending on how they structure Mayo's deal)--10 players
• Philadelphia--$46,793,010 (Factoring in Royce White)--10 players
• Sacramento--$49,062,866--12 players

The point of this is to ask--what are the chances that any of these teams would want to take Freeland off our hands for nothing, since they have so much cap room remaining, and they have to pay the at least the minimum payroll anyway?

Great thread... great info...

I had no idea the Hawks were so far under the "minimum payroll," which I guess I also forgot existed.

Really, that explains the Elton Brand signing. Elton Brand is not worth anywhere near his $4 mill deal, but if they have to sign players, it's not really going to hurt them at all, being a one year deal and all.

With $13 mill to cover though, who would the Hawks sign? You'd have to assume they'd mostly be one year deals, given the players available. Jennings is still out there, but the Hawks just matched the Bucks' offer on Teague.

Who is out there that could command a somewhat expensive deal, yet settle for a one year contract? They just signed Brand, Millsap, and Carroll, so I guess that puts Kenyon Martin and Antawn Jamison out of the running.

D.J. Augustin? Corey Maggette? Brandan Wright? Mo Williams? Nate Robinson?

It seems like all of the decent free agents have been taken, and they've got to fill out their roster with short, one year contract role players at this point.

I guess a trade might be looming for the Hawks, unless that figure didn't include the Caroll, Millsap, or Teague signings.

 

[jlprk]

Like I said no one is going to take on 2 years of Freeland, however I just wanted to point out that we already sent out 1.5mil in the Lopez trade kicker (I think) and we can send out a max of 3 mil/year regardless of how much we take in.

We paid N.O. so they could pay Lopez his bonus salary? Why didn't we pay Lopez directly so it would classify as salary, not the cash portion of a trade?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We paid N.O. so they could pay Lopez his bonus salary? Why didn't we pay Lopez directly so it would classify as salary, not the cash portion of a trade?

The CBA requires that trade kickers are paid by the team trading the player away. We didn't have the option of paying the contractually-mandated kicker, so the only way for us to absorb responsibility for it was by sending the cash to New Orleans.

 

[Draco]

Have any of those teams amnestied players? If you are paying an amnestied player like we are with Roy their salary counts towards the minimum payroll.

Edit; Charlotte amnestied Tyrus Thomas just this year so you need to add his salary to the minimum.

 

[Draco]

I don't think any of these teams would take Freeland since it would eat into their cap space next year too. If we wanted to give up a protected first or Leonard or something I'm sure they would take him but theres no reason for us to give up an asset for cap space we don't need yet. I think those teams with cap space do a trade with a luxury tax team that can give them $3mil or a prospect as it could save the tax team like Brooklyn something around 300% of the salary.

 

[jlprk]

The CBA requires that trade kickers are paid by the team trading the player away. We didn't have the option of paying the contractually-mandated kicker, so the only way for us to absorb responsibility for it was by sending the cash to New Orleans.

Thanks; that's twice in a week you answered me. Only 18 more till the Board Rep Scrooge sends you a little reward.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/philadelphia-76ers-below-minimum-salary

The Philadelphia 76ers are going to need to spend some more money — they’re well below the league’s minimum team salary for the season of $52.8 million.

Ultimately the Sixers are going to have to spend that $8 million — be it through trade or free agency. Acquiring future considerations may make a lot more sense than overpaying a free agent.

 

[illmatic99]

Unfortunately, we're in no place to throw in assets to get rid of Joel.

BTW, has Mo Williams been signed yet?

 

[magnifier661]

Unfortunately, we're in no place to throw in assets to get rid of Joel.

BTW, has Mo Williams been signed yet?

What if they used Joel, Crabbe and Barton?

 

[illmatic99]

But what's the point for us? Do we really need to clear up ~4mil of space now? No FA that is still available is really worth that.

We could use it in an unbalanced trade I suppose.

 

[Draco]

From what I just read it sounds like the team only has to hit the minimum salary of $52.8million by the end of the season. If the team is below that amount the difference is paid to the players on that teams roster. So we might see the 6ers stay below the minimum until well into the season so they have trade options.

 

[magnifier661]

But what's the point for us? Do we really need to clear up ~4mil of space now? No FA that is still available is really worth that.

We could use it in an unbalanced trade I suppose.

Well if it's the 76ers; then something like this could help us.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n32nr8q

Pipe dream, I know

 

[dviss1]

Well if it's the 76ers; then something like this could help us.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n32nr8q

Pipe dream, I know

Pipe dream? Why the hell do we want Singler? Just for some homer nostalgia? Who's gonna start for us at the 2?
I would rather keep Wright on the bench than start Batum there. We need bench scoring.
Another reason why I see no reason to bring Singler in:

He is a defensive liability.

Nor do I see any logic in paring LMA with someone who is going to take touches away from him all while not playing any defense.

There is no reason to acquire Monroe unless Aldridge is on his way out too.

 

[magnifier661]

Pipe dream? Why the hell do we want Singler? Just for some homer nostalgia? Who's gonna start for us at the 2?
I would rather keep Wright on the bench than start Batum there. We need bench scoring.
Another reason why I see no reason to bring Singler in:

He is a defensive liability.

Nor do I see any logic in paring LMA with someone who is going to take touches away from him all while not playing any defense.

There is no reason to acquire Monroe unless Aldridge is on his way out too.

WTF?!?! Dude it's not singler we want. It's the huge salary savings and Monroe. And Monroe and Aldridge can definitely be a good combo.

 

[BrianFromWA]

From what I just read it sounds like the team only has to hit the minimum salary of $52.8million by the end of the season. If the team is below that amount the difference is paid to the players on that teams roster. So we might see the 6ers stay below the minimum until well into the season so they have trade options.

This. It gives them a lot of flexibility in case they want to trade a player into that spot, etc.

And it's not like they HAVE to hit that 52.8M threshold. If all else fails and they don't add anyone, all they do is spend the difference on their existing players. Nothing that bad happens.