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Yes he did. And Bernie Bickerstaff was there too.

Didn't Bernie draft him? In fact he had first chance to trade two picks to Portland to be able to draft Williams or Paul, so I would never be interested in his opinion.
 
what I don't like is continued references to his conditioning and potbelly. I would set a body fat goal for him right now and let him know he won't be on the court in a real game until he meets it.
 
"Oh, but anyway, Toto, we're home! Home! And this is my team - and you're all here!
And I'm not going to leave here ever, ever again, because I love you all! And -
Oh, Auntie Nate, there's no place like home!"

barfo

No they were never in Kansas together.
 
what I don't like is continued references to his conditioning and potbelly. I would set a body fat goal for him right now and let him know he won't be on the court in a real game until he meets it.

I was just going to post my concerns about his weight. It's hard to keep weight on in Denver due to the altitude; if you're working out, it's even more so. Felton packed it on when he was here, and it was a concern for the Thuggets.

If the lockout is long, he could turn into a backcourt Kemp. At any rate, he'd better report in shape or Portland fans are going to dump all over him.
 
I was just going to post my concerns about his weight. It's hard to keep weight on in Denver due to the altitude; if you're working out, it's even more so. Felton packed it on when he was here, and it was a concern for the Thuggets.

If the lockout is long, he could turn into a backcourt Kemp. At any rate, he'd better report in shape or Portland fans are going to dump all over him.

He's going to be entering another contract year, so maybe he'll be somewhat motivated ... which could be a double edged sword.

Let's say he reports in shape and has a pretty decent year, what then? The Blazers will almost certainly resign him to a market rate deal and -- stop me if you've seen this movie before? -- he will probably revert back to being fat and happy like hundreds of players before him with a questionable work ethic and conditioning that earned a lucrative guaranteed contract.
 
He's going to be entering another contract year, so maybe he'll be somewhat motivated ... which could be a double edged sword.

Let's say he reports in shape and has a pretty decent year, what then? The Blazers will almost certainly resign him to a market rate deal and -- stop me if you've seen this movie before? -- he will probably revert back to being fat and happy like hundreds of players before him with a questionable work ethic and conditioning that earned a lucrative guaranteed contract.

Well, there's a team option year, supposedly, so at least we can make old lard-butt work for his contract for 2 years straight.

barfo
 
Channing Frye can show Fats Felton around downtown to all the healthy restaurants.
 
It's not so much that I don't like Felton, because I've talked about getting him in the past, but I just didn't really like the deal overall. I think I like Felton better than Jameer Nelson, so I guess in that respect I'm happy about the trade. What turned me off was the trade as a whole. It just felt like an awful lot to deal for a guy that I think we should have been able to acquire straight up. Miller for Felton. That should have been the deal, and then we draft Faried and trade Rudy for Hamilton.

Felton
Faried
Hamilton

That's what I wanted. I think our inexperienced GM showed that he was desperate to make a trade before the draft and Denver drove the price up on him.
 
I was just going to post my concerns about his weight. It's hard to keep weight on in Denver due to the altitude; if you're working out, it's even more so. Felton packed it on when he was here, and it was a concern for the Thuggets.

If the lockout is long, he could turn into a backcourt Kemp. At any rate, he'd better report in shape or Portland fans are going to dump all over him.

I was going to say that we need to sic KingSpeed's friend Bobby M. on Ray. It doesn't matter how great/good/sucky Felton is if he doesn't pass the conditioning test and rides the pine until February.
 
I was going to say that we need to sic KingSpeed's friend Bobby M. on Ray. It doesn't matter how great/good/sucky Felton is if he doesn't pass the conditioning test and rides the pine until February.

So he can have bad knees by next Spring? :devilwink:
 
My opinion is this is a classic B ROY G-CALL! . . . Felton is a nice patsy PG to appease Roy in my opinion.
I don't buy it. Roy is way over the hill, and everyone in the organization knows it. If he didn't have a long-term contract already sewn up, he might not even be on the roster next season. This team is being built to succeed WITHOUT Brandon Roy
 
I think Felton was the only option available at the last minute that didn't include Batum. It was obvious that the Blazers painted themselves in a corner by making it so widely known that they wanted to deal Dre before his contract became guaranteed for next season. It was either Felton or nothing.
 
It's not so much that I don't like Felton, because I've talked about getting him in the past, but I just didn't really like the deal overall. I think I like Felton better than Jameer Nelson, so I guess in that respect I'm happy about the trade. What turned me off was the trade as a whole. It just felt like an awful lot to deal for a guy that I think we should have been able to acquire straight up. Miller for Felton. That should have been the deal, and then we draft Faried and trade Rudy for Hamilton.

Felton
Faried
Hamilton

That's what I wanted. I think our inexperienced GM showed that he was desperate to make a trade before the draft and Denver drove the price up on him.

I think Felton had much more value around the league than Miller did. For age alone. So i think it is easy to blame it on our "inexperienced" GM. Most of us would rather have Felton than Miller, so why wouldn't most other teams? I don't think we drove the price up. Denver easily could of waited for a better offer.
 
I think Felton had much more value around the league than Miller did. For age alone. So i think it is easy to blame it on our "inexperienced" GM. Most of us would rather have Felton than Miller, so why wouldn't most other teams? I don't think we drove the price up. Denver easily could of waited for a better offer.

I don't think so... Supposedly there were a lot of point guards available during the draft. Hell, George Hill is more appealing to me than Ray Felton. I think Felton has mild value around the league, and he was the best we could do without including Batum.
 
Andre Miller drops 52 points

By Kelly Dwyer


If you're new to the Dre Miller experience, understand that this isn't some middling journeyman who enjoyed a night for the ages.

Andre Miller(notes) has never been an All-Star, but he's enjoyed a few All-Star-level seasons. He's also been a double-figure scorer his entire career, averaging 14.5 points, while acting as one of the better pure point guards of his generation. In fact, poll any NBA observer over the last two decades, and they'd likely confirm the notion that Andre Miller — above such stalwarts like John Stockton, Jason Kidd(notes) and Steve Nash(notes) — is probably the best lob passer of his era. Nobody throws a rim-high spiral like this guy.

But a scorer? Miller could always post-up, dating back to his college days, and nail the mid-range jumper. But he was never a huge worry for opposing defenses. Especially heading into Saturday night, 24 hours after dropping exactly two points against the Houston Rockets.

Or seven points against the Utah Jazz two nights before that.

Or six points against the New Orleans Hornets two nights before the Jazz game.

So for Miller to give the Dallas Mavericks — the 11th-most efficient defensive team in the NBA heading into Saturday — 52 points? To score 25 in the fourth quarter and overtime? To do it Wilt-style; that is to say, only taking (and making) one 3-pointer all night?

It was quite the show. Jason Kidd, Jose Juan Barea(notes) and Jason Terry(notes) just could not cut off Miller from penetrating into the lane for a series of stretched-out lay-ups. Absolutely could not stop the guy. Shawn Marion(notes), a fantastic defender even in his advancing years, defended Miller ably but still failed to keep him from tossing in shots. Miller just drove, drove and drove toward those 52.

He shot 22 for 31, and the best indication I can pass along regarding Miller's typical floor-bound stylings is that, of the nine misses, three of those shots were blocked. And, for someone who essentially had the ball in his hands in every Portland possession, Miller's two turnovers in 42 minutes of play might be more impressive than the 52 he gave Kidd, et al.

"Might be." Those 52 points, as a guard who has bounced around, working for a new team that has involved him in trade discussions for the last month and a half, for a player who will turn 34 in two months, against a team that prides itself on its sound defense? This was a bit of a jaw-dropper.
 
Forgive me if this has been addressed in one of the many threads on Miller/Felton, but am I remembering this right?

Denver traded Miller for Iverson, Iverson for Billups, Billups for Felton, and Felton for Miller.

Many players are out of the league in the time it took for Miller to go full circle with Denver...
 

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