Terry Stotts & Markieff Morris

[hoopsjock]

Yep. Rules arent set in stone and often take something like this to be updated/amended. The league should look at this and look to impose harsher penalties for anyone not on the court interfering with players in the game. When intentional, it should absolutely be a 1 game suspension at minimum.

Think of it like this.

Imagine running a kickoff back down the sideline and going for a score. The other team comes out and trips you. The player is then tossed out of the game, but he stopped the other game from scoring which won the game for the violators. If a stiffer penalty isnt imposed, then it would happen all the time, but I believe the NFL said changed that to a year suspension.

The only difference in a kickoff situation is that it would be near impossible to miss that happening. The NBA fined JR Smith when he went on that weird binge of untying people's shoes but that was always while he was actually in the game. The fact that Morris tried to do this secretly from the sidelines is cheating, plain and simple. He should be disciplined accordingly.

A 1st time PED suspension is 10 games. I don't see how this is different.

 

[illmatic99]

Morris pulling that shit had no effect on the game directly, but it just sets a precedence if they don't do anything. It reminds me of Erik Spoelstra crowding shooters on the sidelines and DeAndre Jordan distracting FT shooters. Just annoying bush league play that the NBA turns a blind eye toward.

 

[Orion Bailey]

http://www.startribune.com/st-cloud...n-leaves-sideline-to-make-a-tackle/497616891/

This player was awaredthe touchdown without actually scoring due to interference.

Screw a suspension.

If a player from the bench intentionally interferes with a player on the court, add 5 points to the opponents score total.

 

[hoopsjock]

Morris pulling that shit had no effect on the game directly, but it just sets a precedence if they don't do anything. It reminds me of Erik Spoelstra crowding shooters on the sidelines and DeAndre Jordan distracting FT shooters. Just annoying bush league play that the NBA turns a blind eye toward.

Exactly, you can't let a grown man get away with pulling a stunt like that.

 

[illmatic99]

Exactly, you can't let a grown man get away with pulling a stunt like that.

I'm anticipating a small fine <$10k and that's about it, especially since this made its way to NBA twitter, and I suppose it will show up in some capacity on the last two minute report.

 

[hoopsjock]

http://www.startribune.com/st-cloud...n-leaves-sideline-to-make-a-tackle/497616891/

This player was awaredthe touchdown without actually scoring due to interference.

Screw a suspension.

If a player from the bench intentionally interferes with a player on the court, add 5 points to the opponents score total.

I'd be okay with that rule too. It might be hard in some cases to prove intent but in this example there is absolutely no doubt. That stupid fuck does it twice too.

 

[hoopsjock]

I'm anticipating a small fine <$10k and that's about it, especially since this made its way to NBA twitter, and I suppose it will show up in some capacity on the last two minute report.

You're probably right and I'm going to be pissed.

 

[blue9]

Well there is a way to undo it but there is no way the NBA would ever do it.

Remind me what circumstances lead to a game's final seconds being replayed prior to tip off the next time the two teams involved met. I can't even remember which teams were involved, but I wanna say Shaq (MIA?) was on one of them.

Edit: Nevermind, had I continued reading I'd see that it was already brought up.

 

[dviss1]

but how is this any different than CJ taking a step onto the court and not even doing anything but still getting suspended for a game?

It's completely different.

One is simply an unsportsmanlike act.

The other is a rule put in place because if the malice in the palace. It's a hard and fast rule that is correct in being zero tolerance.

 

[hoopsjock]

It's completely different.

One is simply an unsportsmanlike act.

The other is a rule put in place because if the malice in the palace. It's a hard and fast rule that is correct in being zero tolerance.

Then explain the NBA not suspending Curry and hiding behind the excuse that it's not an actual "altercation".

I do agree that they are different but in my opinion what Morris did is a million times worse than what CJ did.

 

[dviss1]

http://www.startribune.com/st-cloud...n-leaves-sideline-to-make-a-tackle/497616891/

This player was awaredthe touchdown without actually scoring due to interference.

Screw a suspension.

If a player from the bench intentionally interferes with a player on the court, add 5 points to the opponents score total.

Let's add a 5 point line and trampolines while we're at it. This silly suggestion will hopefully never be enacted.

The only points that should count are ones that are scored.

 

[hoopsjock]

Let's add a 5 point line and trampolines while we're at it. This silly suggestion will hopefully never be enacted.

The only points that should count are ones that are scored.

Cool, lets just let him get away with cheating then!

 

[dviss1]

Then explain the NBA not suspending Curry and hiding behind the excuse that it's not an actual "altercation".

I do agree that they are different but in my opinion what Morris did is a million times worse than what CJ did.

NBA favoritism. Simple. It's called a star call. Neither CJ nor Curry should've been suspended.

It should be done in a case by case basis.

 

[hoopsjock]

NBA favoritism. Simple. It's called a star call. Neither CJ nor Curry should've been suspended.

It should be done in a case by case basis.

You just said it's a hard and fast rule with zero tolerance.

 

[dviss1]

Cool, lets just let him get away with cheating then!

Why would we say this when you know that's not how I feel?

The NBA needs to fix their bench rule. Bench personnel should only stand when celebrating.

 

[dviss1]

You just said it's a hard and fast rule with zero tolerance.

Right. Determine intent for leaving he bench then apply the suspension with zero tolerance.

 

[hoopsjock]

Why would we say this when you know that's not how I feel?

The NBA needs to fix their bench rule. Bench personnel should only stand when celebrating.

I know, I'm just frustrated that a grown ass man would try to hold or pants someone from the bench and that stupid look on his face like he thinks he's so funny.

I don't agree with the no suspension thing. The NBA needs to end this from happening again by imposing an extremely strict penalty.

 

[hoopsjock]

Right. Determine intent for leaving he bench then apply the suspension with zero tolerance.

I actually don't have an issue with the policy of staying on the bench. I just think it's bullshit that Curry can come from the bench all the way to the court under the hoop and not be subject to the rule. There is no reason for him to be on the court, altercation or not.

 

[dviss1]

Cool, lets just let him get away with cheating then!

And this is a false choice.

Let the player get away with it, or institute a +5 point rule?

The answer lies between these extreme narratives.

The answer is, catch it when it happens and apply a tech or, catch it after it happens and hit the player in his pocket hard.

 

[hoopsjock]

And this is a false choice.

Let the player get away with it, or institute a +5 point rule?

The answer lies between these extreme narratives.

The answer is, catch it when it happens and apply a tech or, catch it after it happens and hit the player in his pocket hard.

And I think a fine is way too lenient, no matter how much it is.

 

[blue9]

And this is a false choice.

Let the player get away with it, or institute a +5 point rule?

The answer lies between these extreme narratives.

The answer is, catch it when it happens and apply a tech or, catch it after it happens and hit the player in his pocket hard

I think any fines related to anything that happens during the course of a game (ie, not post-game comments, things that happen in practice, or things that happen in private life) need to start at $100K and go up based on the action being punished.

 

[dviss1]

I think any fines related to anything that happens during the course of a game (ie, not post-game comments, things that happen in practice, or things that happen in private life) need to start at $100K and go up based on the action being punished.

When simply saying:

"I disagree with the way the game was officiated"

triggers an automatic 10K fine, I tend to disagree with your number.

 

[Strenuus]

Our team lost the game. I don't really care what happens to the dude, fine or not. Not like the league has ever cared if it wasn't a star.

 

[dviss1]

Now there is no way the ref could've seen Morris doing that so I understand why it wasn't called but they should've noticed him having both feet on the court.

This is the failure true. But we don't know where the referees are positioned in relation to the ball. The lead official (baseline ref) should never see that sideline. If the lead is on that side of the floor the trail would still have a hard time seeing it if the ball is right in front of him.

That area, when not in transition, is kind of a blind spot.

 

[Strenuus]

This is the failure true. But we don't know where the referees are positioned in relation to the ball. The lead official (baseline ref) should never see that sideline. If the lead is on that side of the floor the trail would still have a hard time seeing it if the ball is right in front of him.

That area, when not in transition, is kind of a blind spot.

Exactly what I'm thinking. The only official that MAY see it is the far official, and that's only if he gets momentarily distracted and makes a quick decision, because he's either watching off-the-ball for holds on screens, etc, or on the ball. So, to be able to see that would actually be a miracle. Because obviously the ball isnt on the near side (bench side).

 

[hoopsjock]

This is the failure true. But we don't know where the referees are positioned in relation to the ball. The lead official (baseline ref) should never see that sideline. If the lead is on that side of the floor the trail would still have a hard time seeing it if the ball is right in front of him.

That area, when not in transition, is kind of a blind spot.

It was out of a timeout in a dead ball situation. The Wizards players never moved nor were they warned to step back. Both Morris and Jason Smith are standing with Curry with their feet on the floor.

There is no excuse.

 

[hoopsjock]

Exactly what I'm thinking. The only official that MAY see it is the far official, and that's only if he gets momentarily distracted and makes a quick decision, because he's either watching off-the-ball for holds on screens, etc, or on the ball. So, to be able to see that would actually be a miracle. Because obviously the ball isnt on the near side (bench side).

This is what happens when the refs fail to control the sideline in a dead ball situation.

 

[blue9]

When simply saying:

"I disagree with the way the game was officiated"

triggers an automatic 10K fine, I tend to disagree with your number.

[ahem] Please re-read my post.

 

[hoopsjock]

Exactly what I'm thinking. The only official that MAY see it is the far official, and that's only if he gets momentarily distracted and makes a quick decision, because he's either watching off-the-ball for holds on screens, etc, or on the ball. So, to be able to see that would actually be a miracle. Because obviously the ball isnt on the near side (bench side).

This is also why I believe Morris deserves to be suspended. He exploited the fact the refs weren't paying attention and cheated.

 

[Strenuus]

This is also why I believe Morris deserves to be suspended. He exploited the fact the refs weren't paying attention and cheated.

lol. I'm not even mad he did it. Our team lost the game. That's what I'm upset with.

If we wanted to get him before that, we should have played defense. Maybe a couple of our guys should be suspended because they cheated the team out of a win by not playing defense? lol.