Terry Stotts & Markieff Morris

[hoopsjock]

lol. I'm not even mad he did it. Our team lost the game. That's what I'm upset with.

If we wanted to get him before that, we should have played defense. Maybe a couple of our guys should be suspended because they cheated the team out of a win by not playing defense? lol.

Yeah, lets excuse the cheater because of a some bad defense. That's a horrible post in my opinion.

Not to mention the fact that after the incident Morris had 9 points, 2 rebounds, and an assist.

 

[dviss1]

[ahem] Please re-read my post.

No. The 100k number is ridiculous IMO.

 

[Strenuus]

Yeah, lets excuse the cheater because of a some bad defense. That's a horrible post in my opinion.

Not to mention the fact that after the incident Morris had 9 points, 2 rebounds, and an assist.

Cool. Play defense, stymie the cheater. Nothing was going to happen anyway in real time.

Sucks he got away with it. Be a better team, defend.

 

[hoopsjock]

Cool. Play defense, stymie the cheater. Nothing was going to happen anyway in real time.

Sucks he got away with it. Be a better team, defend.

The bench should've gotten a technical in regulation. The Blazers would likely have won in regulation. Everything after that would then be pointless.

 

[Strenuus]

The bench should've gotten a technical in regulation. The Blazers would likely have won in regulation. Everything after that would then be pointless.

I get -that-. But like Dviss1 said (who I take their word over most anyone) which official is going to be watching the bench? That bench is away from the field of vision for all three officials. You're asking an official to do something that is not part of regularity. That's a slippery slope.

It got missed. A LOT of things get missed. In crunch time, in non-crunch time. Shit happens. Whining about it doesn't do anything. Its a waste of time, really. You play what happens in reality, not what should have happened.

To err is to human, and the errs came with our defense, not the unfortunate fact that three officials didn't go outside their line of sight.

It sucks. But in the end, we lost. And that's on our team because of what was seen in real time. Nothing you can do. I don't condone cheating ever, but it happened. What I also don't condone is the shitty defense we played. And that is what WAS seen by all involved.

And this is also coming from someone who has always had epic disdain for Morris. What he did was complete bush league. But it wasn't caught, what is supposed to happen? "Oh wait, guys... Hey, washington... can you fly all the way back to Portland, get suited up for 6 seconds of the game, see what happens, and then you can go play that next home game tomorrow?"

You're getting worked up about something that, while unfortunate, can't be changed, won't be changed, and unless officials get trained to look at EVERYTHING on the floor in a second, won't be changed.

 

[blue9]

No. The 100k number is ridiculous IMO.

Based on your initial response it appeared you took issue with the idea of $100k being levied against post-game comments...which I clearly excluded from the $100k fine.

Anything less than $100k for cheating isn't much of a deterrent at all. A $10k or $25k fine for cheating is not even really a slap on the wrist - I'm many scenarios it's far less costly than a technical foul.

 

[hoopsjock]

I get -that-. But like Dviss1 said (who I take their word over most anyone) which official is going to be watching the bench? That bench is away from the field of vision for all three officials. You're asking an official to do something that is not part of regularity. That's a slippery slope.

It got missed. A LOT of things get missed. In crunch time, in non-crunch time. Shit happens. Whining about it doesn't do anything. Its a waste of time, really. You play what happens in reality, not what should have happened.

To err is to human, and the errs came with our defense, not the unfortunate fact that three officials didn't go outside their line of sight.

It sucks. But in the end, we lost. And that's on our team because of what was seen in real time. Nothing you can do. I don't condone cheating ever, but it happened. What I also don't condone is the shitty defense we played. And that is what WAS seen by all involved.

And this is also coming from someone who has always had epic disdain for Morris. What he did was complete bush league. But it wasn't caught, what is supposed to happen? "Oh wait, guys... Hey, washington... can you fly all the way back to Portland, get suited up for 6 seconds of the game, see what happens, and then you can go play that next home game tomorrow?"

You're getting worked up about something that, while unfortunate, can't be changed, won't be changed, and unless officials get trained to look at EVERYTHING on the floor in a second, won't be changed.

Well 1st of all, the Wizards are on the West Coast still. So yes I want to see them have to come up and replay it. That's their fault for cheating. Yes, I am aware that this won't happen.

Once again, you are completely dismissing that the bench is literally up and standing in that position before the ball is even handed to Stauskas. I understand during the play it's impossible to see but in my opinion if the refs enforced the rules more strictly prior to the inbounds pass we aren't even talking about this. Morris literally steps on the court and grabs someone. TWICE. The Wizards shouldn't get rewarded for this behavior with a win.

You know what, the more I think about it they shouldn't have to replay the last few seconds. It should be an automatic forfeit the minute a bench player interferes with the action intentionally. So the Wizards should have that win stripped from their record.

 

[dviss1]

Based on your initial response it appeared you took issue with the idea of $100k being levied against post-game comments...which I clearly excluded from the $100k fine.

Anything less than $100k for cheating isn't much of a deterrent at all. A $10k or $25k fine for cheating is not even really a slap on the wrist - I'm many scenarios it's far less costly than a technical foul.

I'm not taking it as far as calling it cheating. It's bush league but to call it cheating is going to far. It's not anything like a Spygate, or Deflategate. It's simply unsporting.

 

[hoopsjock]

I'm not taking it as far as calling it cheating. It's bush league but to call it cheating is going to far. It's not anything like a Spygate, or Deflategate. It's simply unsporting.

To me, the results can't play into the action. What if Dame got caught up and had to kick it out to Curry? What if Curry was supposed to cut? An angle I saw very clearly shows Curry trying to go in for an offensive rebound on Dame's attempt. What if the hold, even for a second, prevented Curry from getting the ball on a deflection? That is cheating.

 

[dviss1]

Calling it cheating is going way overboard.

It's along the same lines as disconcerting the free thrower.

A free throw is just that. You get to freely throw it with no distractions from the other team.

It's simply a technical foul and outs along the same lines as what Morris did.

He is disconcerting movement.

 

[hoopsjock]

Calling it cheating is going way overboard.

It's along the same lines as disconcerting the free thrower.

A free throw is just that. You get to freely throw it with no distractions from the other team.

It's simply a technical foul and outs along the same lines as what Morris did.

He is disconcerting movement.

I respectfully disagree. In your free throw example, those players are usually on the court. If they are on the bench yelling that is not the same as a player not even in the game stepping onto the court and intentionally making contact with a player during a play, twice.

 

[dviss1]

To me, the results can't play into the action. What if Dame got caught up and had to kick it out to Curry? What if Curry was supposed to cut? An angle I saw very clearly shows Curry trying to go in for an offensive rebound on Dame's attempt. What if the hold, even for a second, prevented Curry from getting the ball on a deflection? That is cheating.

Technically it is. But it doesn't rise to the egregious level you're describing. You tech him up and he won't do it again. As someone who administers the rules, it's not worth a suspension or a $100K fine IMO.

 

[Boob-No-More]

This is the kind of thing that should be reviewable AT THE TIME IT HAPPENS. The ref didn't see it real time? Fine, call a time out and ask them to review what's on tape. If they see the infraction, call the tech and the team asking for review gets their timeout back. If there is no visible infraction, the team is charged for the timeout.

BNM

 

[Strenuus]

This is the kind of thing that should be reviewable AT THE TIME IT HAPPENS. The ref didn't see it real time? Fine, call a time out and ask them to review what's on tape. If they see the infraction, call the tech and the team asking for review gets their timeout back. If there is no visible infraction, the team is charged for the timeout.

BNM

No one brought it up until well after... so they couldn't have reviewed it. I agree IF someone sees it, but in this instance no one did.

 

[Boob-No-More]

No one brought it up until well after... so they couldn't have reviewed it. I agree IF someone sees it, but in this instance no one did.

The player involved (in this case, Seth) should be able to call a timeout, tell the official what happened and ask them to review the available video. No one brought it up at the time, because it's not currently reviewable.

BNM

 

[Strenuus]

The player involved (in this case, Seth) should be able to call a timeout, tell the official what happened and ask them to review the available video. No one brought it up at the time, because it's not currently reviewable.

BNM

I agree with that.

 

[ripcityboy]

Are you guys still talking about Morris pants pull? Send it to the league and be done with it. They are the ones to decide if any punishment should be levied.

 

[Blazers Roy]

When you learn your moves from Metta World War3

 

[hoopsjock]

When you learn your moves from Metta World War3

At least he was actually in the game.

 

[THE HCP]

Doing things like this was part of growing up playing in the parks. It just happened. And if it happens on the court with players on the court, they do it at their own risk.......but for a player who is not even in the game, to have a chance to effect/affect the outcome of what's going on on the court, that should be punishable somehow. We are lucky we had our robo cams isolated on the team benches to even get this shot.

 

[hoopsjock]

Technically it is. But it doesn't rise to the egregious level you're describing. You tech him up and he won't do it again. As someone who administers the rules, it's not worth a suspension or a $100K fine IMO.

I know we are playing the what if game but what if Curry goes to cut and tears his acl? What if Morris pushes him or trips him instead of pulling his shorts?

Do you know what the NBA policy is for fan interference (I'm asking because I don't know)? I'm guessing that fan at the very least would be banned from the arena for doing the exact thing Morris did.

As a ref it doesn't really bother you that a player would try to pull this from the bench? What if Curry told you about this afterwards and there was no video proof?

The NBA makes judgements all the time on what is worthy of a punishment. The fight between CP3, Rondo, and Ingram they were all given different suspensions even though they all threw a punch. So the NBA can enforce whatever punishment they want on Morris. I really don't get how a small fine would send any kind of message. A small fine actually shows that his actions were fine and the NBA doesn't care about it's players possibly effecting the outcome the game from the bench.

I stand by my 20 game minimum suspension.

 

[dviss1]

You're getting worked up about something that, while unfortunate, can't be changed, won't be changed, and unless officials get trained to look at EVERYTHING on the floor in a second, won't be changed.

But that's the thing. It can be changed. The NBA can change their rule on bench decorum.

In college and below, bench personnel is clearly defined as available subs that SIT. They are allowed to stand to do all the funny AF bench celebrating we do and then sit back down. It's really an easy fix.

 

[dviss1]

I know we are playing the what if game but what if Curry goes to cut and tears his acl? What if Morris pushes him or trips him instead of pulling his shorts?.

I stand by my 20 game minimum suspension.

Well you're completely wrong. There was no push. There was no ACL tear. A simple change to the bench decorum rule Fixes this instance that really had no effect on the game.

 

[dviss1]

As a ref it doesn't really bother you that a player would try to pull this from the bench? What if Curry told you about this afterwards and there was no video proof?

If course it does. And as a ref that's exactly what Curry should do. Report the antics so we have our antennae up. I might even go to the coach and say what complaint I've received and to trek his players to fix that shit or I will. Then if it happens, T his ass up.

I think your disdain for Morris is showing here.

 

[hoopsjock]

If course it does. And as a ref that's exactly what Curry should do. Report the antics so we have our antennae up. I might even go to the coach and say what complaint I've received and to trek his players to fix that shit or I will. Then if it happens, T his ass up.

I think your disdain for Morris is showing here.

Did I say I hate Morris? I would say this about anyone who tried to interfere from the bench, whether it was malicious or someone just trying to be funny. There is no place for that in the game. It doesn't really matter who did it, the NBA needs to make sure this never happens again.

I completely agree that the bench should have to be seated in that situation. At the very least this incident should warrant a change of the rule.

If this was a Blazer I'd be even more pissed off. I'd have a hard time rooting for someone who would think that is okay to do.

 

[blue9]

I'm not taking it as far as calling it cheating. It's bush league but to call it cheating is going to far. It's not anything like a Spygate, or Deflategate. It's simply unsporting.

6 players on the floor - intentionally - is cheating.

 

[dviss1]

6 players on the floor - intentionally - is cheating.

What's the penalty for 6 players on the floor - intentionally?

That's right.. It's a technical foul....

 

[hoopsjock]

What's the penalty for 6 players on the floor - intentionally?

That's right.. It's a technical foul....

What's the penalty for intentionally grabbing someone who is on the floor playing? Shouldn't it be the same as leaving the bench during an altercation?

 

[dviss1]

What's the penalty for intentionally grabbing someone who is on the floor playing? Shouldn't it be the same as leaving the bench during an altercation?

No. It's unsportsmanlike conduct. Technical foul, possibly an ejection.

You lose game pay for being ejected like that.

There are also penalties (fines/suspensions) for receiving too many techs.

Like I said, a simple change to the bench decorum rule (or even simply making it a point of emphasis for referees) would fix this simple issue.

You're trying to kill an ant with Thor's hammer.

Wait, how'd you even lift that thing?

 

[blue9]

You're arguing what the rules ARE - we're arguing what the rules SHOULD BE. There is clearly a difference between mouthing off at a ref and someone on the bench interfering with play on the court. One of those should be punished much more severely than the other.