Terry Stotts & Markieff Morris

[Orion Bailey]

Let's add a 5 point line and trampolines while we're at it. This silly suggestion will hopefully never be enacted.

The only points that should count are ones that are scored.

If its a silly suggestion, then why was it actually done in the past in a similar incident, just different sport? Did you check out the link i posted?

It may be silly to you, but not to me.

 

[dviss1]

If its a silly suggestion, then why was it actually done in the past in a similar incident, just different sport? Did you check out the link i posted?

It may be silly to you, but not to me.

So?

The only sport I care about is basketball. They better not ever add points that were never scored. It would do the game a disservice IMO. You guys are really overreacting to a play that had zero effect on the outcome of the game.

 

[dviss1]

You're arguing what the rules ARE - we're arguing what the rules SHOULD BE. There is clearly a difference between mouthing off at a ref and someone on the bench interfering with play on the court. One of those should be punished much more severely than the other.

Wrong again. I've advocated they change the bench decorum rule.

We already have laws on the books that cover this exact situation.

You guys arguing for suspensions and $100K fines is ridiculous homerism.

 

[dviss1]

And it's not "cheating".

It's unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

[Lanny]

Every season, it's as if Terry Stotts has never seen Markieff Morris play basketball. That guy kills us every damn time, and we refuse to adjust. We've lost 3 straight home games to that mediocre at best Washington team because we refuse to attack Morris on offense, then let a big drift off of him on defense. Infuriating.

I noticed the letup on him when he was shooting all those threes. We should have won that game, even with how terrible we played, had we only guarded him enough to prevent the last three three point shots.

 

[illmatic99]

And it's not "cheating".

It's unsportsmanlike conduct.

Exactly the terminology used

 

[Lanny]

The NBA, IMHO, needs to add retroactive penalties like they do in Formula 1 - otherwise it is a pretty silly punishment result and may benefit someone going forward, which is not the "victim" while the victim got nothing. For example, assume it is a flagrant 2 (it is not) - all his points going forward from that point in the game should be taken off and the results of the game adjusted.

I do not believe the NBA will do it, but I think this is one of the best things to have happened to Formula 1 after that infamous Prost / Senna incident back in 1989 (?)

They can give retroactive technicals or upgrade a technical.

 

[hoopsjock]

Exactly the terminology used

Fuck you NBA! What a pathetic disgrace.

I don't know what's worse: Morris pulling his shorts or the NBA not giving a fuck.

Fuck this league.

 

[illmatic99]

Fuck you NBA! What a pathetic disgrace.

I don't know what's worse: Morris pulling his shorts or the NBA not giving a fuck.

Fuck this league.

This is about what I expected. If he actually impacted the game's result directly, I woulda expected more.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Fuck you NBA! What a pathetic disgrace.

I don't know what's worse: Morris pulling his shorts or the NBA not giving a fuck.

Fuck this league.

My wife often suggests to me that when I don't care about something as much as she does, that I don't care at all.

You're both wrong.

 

[hoopsjock]

So?

The only sport I care about is basketball. They better not ever add points that were never scored. It would do the game a disservice IMO. You guys are really overreacting to a play that had zero effect on the outcome of the game.

It is true that the outcome of the action had little to no effect on the game...

BUT it is impossible for Morris to know whether Curry is part of the play or not thus the only conclusion that can be made is that he intentionally tried to effect the play. Why would he do it otherwise? That is why I'm so pissed about this. You have a player intentionally trying to fuck up the game from the bench. Thor's hammer should absolutely have been dropped on that ant.

 

[hoopsjock]

My wife often suggests to me that when I don't care about something as much as she does, that I don't care at all.

You're both wrong.

A $15,000 fine isn't even a slap on the wrist. There is absolutely no deterrent for others to try and influence the game as well.

 

[hoopsjock]

This is about what I expected. If he actually impacted the game's result directly, I woulda expected more.

I don't give a fuck it it effected the game at all. The intent was there to effect it and that is all that matters.

 

[illmatic99]

I don't give a fuck it it effected the game at all. The intent was there to effect it and that is all that matters.

If all punishments were based on intent rather than actuality, our world would work a lot differently.

 

[hoopsjock]

If all punishments were based on intent rather than actuality, our world would work a lot differently.

If you try to kill someone you still get charged with attempted murder even if they didn't get hurt at all. Yesterday some guy got arrested that they found out he was about to shoot up several schools. Should he be let off the hook because he hadn't actually done it yet?

Sports are different. The integrity of a sport is everything. He was trying to influence what happened on the court from the bench. That should be a huge deal and I don't understand letting him off the hook because it didn't end up mattering?

If a player bet money on a game would it be okay if they didn't win their bet?

 

[illmatic99]

If you try to kill someone you still get charged with attempted murder even if they didn't get hurt at all. Yesterday some guy got arrested that they found out he was about to shoot up several schools. Should he be let off the hook because he hadn't actually done it yet?

Sports are different. The integrity of a sport is everything. He was trying to influence what happened on the court from the bench. That should be a huge deal and I don't understand letting him off the hook because it didn't end up mattering?

If a player bet money on a game would it be okay if they didn't win their bet?

attempted murder != murder

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you try to kill someone you still get charged with attempted murder even if they didn't get hurt at all. Yesterday some guy got arrested that they found out he was about to shoot up several schools. Should he be let off the hook because he hadn't actually done it yet?

Sports are different. The integrity of a sport is everything. He was trying to influence what happened on the court from the bench. That should be a huge deal and I don't understand letting him off the hook because it didn't end up mattering?

If a player bet money on a game would it be okay if they didn't win their bet?

I completely agree. Players should be called for fouls they attempt to commit, even if the the opposing player actually avoids contact.

 

[hoopsjock]

I completely agree. Players should be called for fouls they attempt to commit, even if the the opposing player actually avoids contact.

Geez man, I'm not sure what part you're not getting about on the court players versus off the court. If Morris did that while in the game it wouldn't even warrant a fine at all.

 

[blue9]

And it's not "cheating".

It's unsportsmanlike conduct.

The two are not mutually exclusive.
Unsportsmanlike conduct is the rule under which he was punished, but cheating is what he did.

"Cheating: act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination."

I honestly don't care about this specific example - I'm more upset about our shit play and coaching. We sucked and deserved to lose - we didn't lose because of this incident. All I'm saying is that the rules need to be changed to prevent this sort of behavior. A $15K fine is not going to do a damn thing to make someone think twice about doing this in the future. Getting caught and called for a T might, but a $15K fine won't.

I also agree that the rules regarding the space surrounding the court need to be changed - players should be given A LOT more room on both the baseline and sideline.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Geez man, I'm not sure what part you're not getting about on the court players versus off the court. If Morris did that while in the game it wouldn't even warrant a fine at all.

Just talking about the intent-vs-success thing.

Keeping it to off-court individuals, would you think he would warrant the same punishment if he had reached for Curry's shorts, but Curry had moved out of the way, and all Morris had grabbed was air?

 

[Strenuus]

lol. Much ado about nothing.

Got the right punishment.

Our team lost the game more than this play cost us the game. That's what upsets me. That game was winnable if the team even remembered what defense was for 4 seconds.

Oh wait, Zach Collins remembers! :MARIS61:

 

[hoopsjock]

Just talking about the intent-vs-success thing.

Keeping it to off-court individuals, would you think he would warrant the same punishment if he had reached for Curry's shorts, but Curry had moved out of the way, and all Morris had grabbed was air?

That sort of depends on what happens. If he did it from off the court then it's hard to prove intent. If he came on the court and did it once and missed it would be a little more obvious but still hard to prove. In the real life example he not only comes on the court and does it once but then does it a 2nd time removing all doubt about the intent. It was 100% intentional.

 

[dviss1]

Fuck you NBA! What a pathetic disgrace.

I don't know what's worse: Morris pulling his shorts or the NBA not giving a fuck.

Fuck this league.

No offense, but you're really blowing this out of proportion.

 

[dviss1]

The two are not mutually exclusive.
Unsportsmanlike conduct is the rule under which he was punished, but cheating is what he did.

"Cheating: act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination."

I honestly don't care about this specific example - I'm more upset about our shit play and coaching. We sucked and deserved to lose - we didn't lose because of this incident. All I'm saying is that the rules need to be changed to prevent this sort of behavior. A $15K fine is not going to do a damn thing to make someone think twice about doing this in the future. Getting caught and called for a T might, but a $15K fine won't.

I also agree that the rules regarding the space surrounding the court need to be changed - players should be given A LOT more room on both the baseline and sideline.

Y'all are really blowing this out of proportion.

 

[andalusian]

They can give retroactive technicals or upgrade a technical.

But it has no effect on the game. That's not what I meant.

In Formula 1 - if you are found to have been in violation during a race, they can give you an added time penalty - so let's say you finished 3rd (podium) but your car was found in violation (not enough fuel, under-weight or they found out that you cut the track at some point and gained an advantage) - they can give you 5 seconds penalty, the time is added to your regular time and you might find yourself in 5th place instead of a podium.

In this case, if, instead of a monetary penalty they would have given him a tech and deducted 2 points from his scoring for the rest of the game, the Blazers would have won the game, for example.

Giving him a penalty going forward fixes 1/2 of the problem - he pays for it, but the victim is not properly compensated. I do not believe the NBA will ever do it - but having seen the effect it had in other top-forms of sport - I think they should.

 

[dviss1]

I don't agree with adding or taking away points.

That's foolish IMO.

You assess what you see, apply a tech.

What gets me is that our announcers knew when it happened. Why couldn't the ref have been alerted and video shown?

That's something that can change.

Then they get video, assess it, and apply the proper (in game) retroactive technical foul/ejection.

 

[andalusian]

I don't agree with adding our taking away points. That's foolish IMO.

There are pros and cons like everywhere else, but I think it worked like a charm in Formula 1 and would be a real deterrent in the NBA as well. I do not expect them to do it, especially now that they are going to go into gambling - but logically, it makes a lot of sense. His unsportsmanlike behavior could have tipped the game in his team's favor. Logically, his actions should have consequences

 

[dviss1]

His unsportsmanlike behavior could have tipped the game in his team's favor.

It didn't tho. It was well away from anything which is why the referees didn't see it.

And there are already rules in place to handle this.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

They should have or enforce rules that say benches arent allowed to stand along the side line in the 1st place, say the ball had come to Curry the fact that Morris was on the court couldve caused an injury (say curry lands on his foot), couldve altered Curry’s shot, or couldve caused Curry to step inside the 3point line.

The punishment I dunno, how you really punish a guy meaningfully after the games over. If they didnt catch it at the time. I could see a one game suspension or a bigger fine.

It doesnt really matter because altering the outcome of a game AFTER its been played is a bad precedent in my opinion.

 

[HailBlazers]

lol. Much ado about nothing.

Got the right punishment.

Typical.

Spoken like a true Mod.