Tesla's Model III goes 200 miles per charge and costs $35,000

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PtldPlatypus said:
25 minute charge time is not terrible. Wouldn't necessarily be the best for long road trips, but if you can map out the charging stations, you could make it work...
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Having to stop every 240 miles for a beer while you wait for your car to charge??? What's not to like??? Now that's a road trip!!!
 
Denny Crane said:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/06/states-turn-against-electric-cars-as-gas-tax-revenues-fall/

States are quickly learning that promoting electric cars is coming with a high price tag. Colorado has joined a growing number of states that are imposing fees on electric and alternative vehicles to recover “lost” gas tax revenues.

As of this year, Coloradans driving electric, alternative fuel and high-efficiency vehicles will pay a $50 registration fee to capture more revenue from vehicles that use less traditional gasoline. This is part of a growing trend by which states are looking to recoup declining gas tax revenues as vehicles become more fuel efficient and drivers buy more electric vehicles.

Colorado is one of at least five states that have special fees on hybrid and electric vehicles — Colorado, Nebraska, North Carolina, Virginia and Washington. Earlier this year, Oregon lawmakers were discussing a bill that would impose a fee on electric cars and those getting 55 miles per gallon or better. The bill is still sitting in the state legislature.
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To me it's like tobacco companies levying a tax on Nicorette lozenge users...they switch from tobacco and the tobacco company loses revenue...it's a choice, not a hindrance to old technology...it's like being taxed for emails because you don't buy stamps and use the post office anymore...I think it's ridiculous
 
It'd be cool if they had solar panels on the roof so it could charge itself while driving.
 
riverman said:
To me it's like tobacco companies levying a tax on Nicorette lozenge users...they switch from tobacco and the tobacco company loses revenue...it's a choice, not a hindrance to old technology...it's like being taxed for emails because you don't buy stamps and use the post office anymore...I think it's ridiculous
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Ironic you mention tobacco. The government is addicted to our money.
 
riverman said:
To me it's like tobacco companies levying a tax on Nicorette lozenge users...they switch from tobacco and the tobacco company loses revenue...it's a choice, not a hindrance to old technology...it's like being taxed for emails because you don't buy stamps and use the post office anymore...I think it's ridiculous
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Well it's not quite like that. The electric cars still use the roads, they still use the rest stops, they still degrade the pavement, they still require street signs ......

Having the gas-powered/low mpg cars pay more of the tax makes sense, it's a bit of a sin tax, but I'm also fine with all the the taxes not falling on their shoulders. And over time more will have to be levied from electric cars since there will simply be fewer of the older cars to tax. And if we simply put all the tax on the gas cars, than it will inevitably be a regressive tax, affecting poorer people who can't afford the upgrade by putting the entire burden of infrastructure on their shoulders.
 
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Well it's not quite like that. The electric cars still use the roads, they still use the rest stops, they still degrade the pavement, they still require street signs ......

Having the gas-powered/low mpg cars pay more of the tax makes sense, it's a bit of a sin tax, but I'm also fine with all the the taxes not falling on their shoulders. And over time more will have to be levied from electric cars since there will simply be fewer of the older cars to tax. And if we simply put all the tax on the gas cars, than it will inevitably be a regressive tax, affecting poorer people who can't afford the upgrade by putting the entire burden of infrastructure on their shoulders.
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bicycles get off scott free using roads though eh?
 
Another example of tax parity not existing...property tax in Oregon is really high....renters don't pay property tax so they don't contribute equally into the state's revenue base for education, police, etc....the amount of gas fueled vehicles in Oregon is an overwhelming majority compared to electric cars or even hybrids. Renters are a much larger demographic here than property owners. End point...Oregon needs a sales tax. If you have expendable income and shop...you contribute. This will not affect the poor who are just getting by as much.
 
riverman said:
Another example of tax parity not existing...property tax in Oregon is really high....renters don't pay property tax so they don't contribute equally into the state's revenue base for education, police, etc....the amount of gas fueled vehicles in Oregon is an overwhelming majority compared to electric cars or even hybrids. Renters are a much larger demographic here than property owners. End point...Oregon needs a sales tax. If you have expendable income and shop...you contribute. This will not affect the poor who are just getting by as much.
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I don't know if you have ever owned a house and rented it out but almost all owners pass the costs for things like taxes onto their tenants in the form of rent. I rented out a house and calculated taxes as part of the rent.

In business property leases I know they include taxes and such in rent.
 
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Well it's not quite like that. The electric cars still use the roads, they still use the rest stops, they still degrade the pavement, they still require street signs ......

Having the gas-powered/low mpg cars pay more of the tax makes sense, it's a bit of a sin tax, but I'm also fine with all the the taxes not falling on their shoulders. And over time more will have to be levied from electric cars since there will simply be fewer of the older cars to tax. And if we simply put all the tax on the gas cars, than it will inevitably be a regressive tax, affecting poorer people who can't afford the upgrade by putting the entire burden of infrastructure on their shoulders.
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They need to make the tax based on mileage then normalized to weight. A F350 is going to wear out a road a lot faster than a Tesla.
 
Eastoff said:
They need to make the tax based on mileage then normalized to weight. A F350 is going to wear out a road a lot faster than a Tesla.
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This makes the most sense to me. You have perhaps 6 weight categories of vehicles and when you buy a vehicle, this might be a selling issue. All new cars could send a ping to the govt regarding their milage for tax season, and older cars would go to dec or something similar.
 
They're already charging sales tax on the vehicles, no?

I owned a 1972 VW Bus I paid $2800 for in 1994. It cost $2800 new. I was possibly the 5th or 6th owner. The state sales tax added up for those sales/resales was more than it cost new.
 
Denny Crane said:
Not much of a difference.
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What's the sales tax on buying an automobile in California? I bet there's a big difference compared to license fee in Oregon. But you'll argue that since they're both based on money they're exactly the same.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What's the sales tax on buying an automobile in California? I bet there's a big difference compared to license fee in Oregon. But you'll argue that since they're both based on money they're exactly the same.
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7.5% one time.

.75% in fees collected each year for 10 years is the same.
 
Denny Crane said:
7.5% one time.

.75% in fees collected each year for 10 years is the same.
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Doesn't CA also have registration fees in addition to sales tax?
You seem to be comparing CA sales tax to OR registration fees, and ignoring CA registration fees.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Doesn't CA also have registration fees in addition to sales tax?
You seem to be comparing CA sales tax to OR registration fees, and ignoring CA registration fees.

barfo
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No, I'm suggesting Oregon raise taxes on you to pay for your roads. I wish it could be just you.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Denny Crane, democrat.
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People here were suggesting some sort of tax, based upon weight and what not. What's the difference in that and just collecting bigger license and registration fees?
 
Denny Crane said:
People here were suggesting some sort of tax, based upon weight and what not. What's the difference in that and just collecting bigger license and registration fees?
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Denny Crane, feeling the Bern!
 
I just thought I'd help you derail the thread some more.
 
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