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Tyrant of Ants said:
Your wife might, in fact, be a real Kung Fu master, then. Any Kung Fu (in particular, its offshoot, Bullshito) practitioners know that you don’t make a fist to do the Death Touch. And punching is frowned upon.

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I briefly had a Tai Kwon Do instructor who taught self defense at West Point. We through a dinner buffet for him after our public demonstration. He was korean and none of us knew anything about Korean food or language at that time. We did our best but it was probably pathetic.
 
I took Tae Kwan Do at Cal. Very effective for street harassment. The assholes who abused women on Berkeley streets started calling me "that karate bitch", hands down my most favorite nickname. Unfortunately the teacher left and the other Tae Kwan Do teacher wouldn't teach women.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Teaching Taekwondo for self-defense is terrible. Taekwondo primarily use kicks, and you don’t want to be kicking a lot (especially high kick) in a street fight. Boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, or better yet, Krav Maga, is a lot more effective.
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Aikido is where it's at....100% defense
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Yes, i know how it works. You don't strike back, you lose, it's that simple.

I'm done with this. You can have the last word.
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didn't realize we were arguing....ok ..my last word...if you avoid getting hurt in an attack and repel it ...you succeed...it's not about winning...it's about not getting punched out and protecting yourself from harms way....I'm not an expert at all...and I keep a baseball bat handy just in case
 
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riverman said:
didn't realize we were arguing....ok ..my last word...if you avoid getting hurt in an attack and repel it ...you succeed...it's not about winning...it's about not getting punched out and protecting yourself from harms way....I'm not an expert at all...and I keep a baseball bat handy just in case
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I can just picture Riverman now confronting a burglar with a baseball bat: "Don't come near me mother fucker, I played semi-pro ball in Taiwan!!!"

I used to want learn aikido for the exact reason you mentioned, but came to learn that aikido has a really bad reputation in the martial arts world. I saw a video of an Aikido instructor sparring against an MMA fighter and his aikido was not easily applicable to fighting in a non controlled environment. The aikido instructor later quit aikido and began training in MMA.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Teaching Taekwondo for self-defense is terrible. Taekwondo primarily use kicks, and you don’t want to be kicking a lot (especially high kick) in a street fight. Boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, or better yet, Krav Maga, is a lot more effective.
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I beat an entire street gang performing Koryo.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Teaching Taekwondo for self-defense is terrible. Taekwondo primarily use kicks, and you don’t want to be kicking a lot (especially high kick) in a street fight. Boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, or better yet, Krav Maga, is a lot more effective.
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Is that why they teach it at West Point?
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
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Alright, you guys believe whatever you want to believe. As a lifelong combat sports competitor/practitioner and been around people that competed/competing at the highest level, I think I know just a wee bit of what I'm talking about.
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Probably a wee bit more than a wee bit.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Aikido is a step or two above Bullshito. It's all the Steven Seagal's movies that got people into that nonsense.
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no it's not....unless hollywood is your measure of the art....you may not hold Aikido in high regard but that's sort of like saying you don't hold Tai Chi in high regard....and it's far from nonsense. It's fine that you enjoy contact fighting...that's not what Aikido provides....apples and oranges. You're the first martial artist I've heard speak condescendingly about it. Not sure if you know @speeds here but he posts about MMA and boxing on his forum here without many members....you might have a lot in common with him ..for the 84 year old Thai victim in the thread...aikido would have helped protect him from the fall more than punching the punk that attacked him...at 84 your bones can't withstand punching someone but you can sidestep them and guide their fall into the gutter if you are practiced. As to Steven Seagal ...he runs like a little girl and that's probably an offensive comparison to little girls
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
I don’t know if that’s true, but if that’s the case then yes, it’s a terribly ineffective discipline for hand to hand combat situations. Taekwondo is more of a showcase combat sport. It relies on kicks that need spacing to setup and more of a controlled environment. In actual street fights, most of the time you’re just not going to have that. Sure, there are techniques in Taekwondo that you can incorporate with other martial art disciplines for it to be effective. But by itself, Taekwondo is almost useless in a street fight.

Apologies to any Taekwondo practitioner here (I think all martial art disciplines have its effectiveness, just some more than others), but I’ll take a high level boxer, Muay Thai, or Dutch kickboxer to beat a high level Taekwondo guy every time.
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Why don't they put that in the Olympics?
Are you also demeaning Karate?
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Boxing is in the Olympics, as you probably already know. Muay Thai and kickboxing aren’t in the Olympics. And yes, Taekwondo is in the Olympics. What, exactly, is your point? If you want to point out that certain combat sports are in the Olympics because they’re more effective than others, then sorry, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that.

Which type of Karate are you specifically referring to? But no, I haven’t the need to demean it as a discipline as it’s a practical and effective martial arts discipline.

I’m going to have to really quit while I’m behind this time, though. I regret challenging the expertise of you old geezers on this subject. :bgrin:
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My point is if it's head and shoulders better than what's in the Olympics why is that.

However, I'm tired of this banter. I like you for far too many other of your stands.
 
crandc said:
I took Tae Kwan Do at Cal. Very effective for street harassment. The assholes who abused women on Berkeley streets started calling me "that karate bitch", hands down my most favorite nickname. Unfortunately the teacher left and the other Tae Kwan Do teacher wouldn't teach women.
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I also trained in Taekwondo

Ignorant people. Taekwondo and Karate are two very different martial arts.
 
riverman said:
didn't realize we were arguing....ok ..my last word...if you avoid getting hurt in an attack and repel it ...you succeed...it's not about winning...it's about not getting punched out and protecting yourself from harms way....I'm not an expert at all...and I keep a baseball bat handy just in case
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Taekwondo is not about winning. It is about defending yourself. Its about discipline. You use it only if you must. You never attack first. Yeah, you can hurt people with it, but one must be responsible in use of it.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
I don’t know if that’s true, but if that’s the case then yes, it’s a terribly ineffective discipline for hand to hand combat situations. Taekwondo is more of a showcase combat sport. It relies on kicks that need spacing to setup and more of a controlled environment. In actual street fights, most of the time you’re just not going to have that. Sure, there are techniques in Taekwondo that you can incorporate with other martial art disciplines for it to be effective. But by itself, Taekwondo is almost useless in a street fight.

Apologies to any Taekwondo practitioner here (I think all martial art disciplines have its effectiveness, just some more than others), but I’ll take a high level boxer, Muay Thai, or Dutch kickboxer to beat a high level Taekwondo guy every time.
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It's not if you know how to use it. You can create space between yourself and the opponent(s) and then kick fuckers in the face...but only if you have to.

Look, you can say its ineffective all you want. I have had to use it a few times on the street and it worked pretty dammed well.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
I'm fine with the art, or aesthetic value of it, just as I do with Wushu or even Tai Chi. But we were talking about self-defense, which does involve contact, and lots of it.

I've only ever come to this site for the Blazers forum. To be honest, I don't enjoy discussing MMA. I watch a lot of it, and bet on fights regularly, though.
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riverman said:
no it's not....unless hollywood is your measure of the art....you may not hold Aikido in high regard but that's sort of like saying you don't hold Tai Chi in high regard....and it's far from nonsense. It's fine that you enjoy contact fighting...that's not what Aikido provides....apples and oranges. You're the first martial artist I've heard speak condescendingly about it. Not sure if you know @speeds here but he posts about MMA and boxing on his forum here without many members....you might have a lot in common with him ..for the 84 year old Thai victim in the thread...aikido would have helped protect him from the fall more than punching the punk that attacked him...at 84 your bones can't withstand punching someone but you can sidestep them and guide their fall into the gutter if you are practiced. As to Steven Seagal ...he runs like a little girl and that's probably an offensive comparison to little girls
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There's a bit of Aikido in the training for Canadian law enforcement. I know two people that have trained in it. I'm sure there's some separating wheat from chaff going on with it with regards to techniques for the real world, but I wouldn't throw it out entirely as being TMA bullshit. Standing grappling, wrist control, even some throws--probably not stuff exclusive to Aikido--better than learning boxing as a LEO, I think.

Seagal is a deranged pervert.
 
speeds said:
There's a bit of Aikido in the training for Canadian law enforcement. I know two people that have trained in it. I'm sure there's some separating wheat from chaff going on with it with regards to techniques for the real world, but I wouldn't throw it out entirely as being TMA bullshit. Standing grappling, wrist control, even some throws--probably not stuff exclusive to Aikido--better than learning boxing as a LEO, I think.

Seagal is a deranged pervert.
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Aikido has morphed in modern days..like most things it has offshoots ..traditionally it sprung from judo in I think 1920 and had another name in 1937 or so...it was designed to allow religious zen buddhist or taoist monks to not retaliate but disarm or neutralize an attacker without causing harm to anyone......some cool shit. Wrist control is a great defensive technique . I think all peace keepers should learn from it...
 
speeds said:
There's a bit of Aikido in the training for Canadian law enforcement. I know two people that have trained in it. I'm sure there's some separating wheat from chaff going on with it with regards to techniques for the real world, but I wouldn't throw it out entirely as being TMA bullshit. Standing grappling, wrist control, even some throws--probably not stuff exclusive to Aikido--better than learning boxing as a LEO, I think.
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What is TMA?
 
speeds said:
There's a bit of Aikido in the training for Canadian law enforcement. I know two people that have trained in it. I'm sure there's some separating wheat from chaff going on with it with regards to techniques for the real world, but I wouldn't throw it out entirely as being TMA bullshit. Standing grappling, wrist control, even some throws--probably not stuff exclusive to Aikido--better than learning boxing as a LEO, I think.

Seagal is a deranged pervert.
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I think it's a warped use of the language to call Seagal an actor. He belongs in the category with Von Damme and Norris.
I do like Statham and Jet Li. Not great actors but at least they can act and seem to know their martial arts craft.
 
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