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I wonder if Mike Pence is going to do one of these tweets a day, like some sort of Advent Calendar.
 
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I wonder if Mike Pence is going to do one of these tweets a day, like some sort of Advent Calendar.

I once ate at McDonalds when I went to Cabo. It was the same as the McDonalds here, which I found disappointing.
 
I also think, and this is my own opinion, that the drug is more common with the black community, thus could contribute to the higher arrest rates. Perhaps that is because of the image, pattern, emulation of the hip hop culture?? I do not know. If we were to take drug charges out of the crime statistics, it would be interesting to see where everything lies.

You just summed up a microcosm in our country. This happens FAR too often and people need to wake up. The research is easy to find of you care enough to look.

First, stop applying your opinion to this. That simply needs to stop. Opinions aren't facts.

Second, like... Get some black friends... Really... Your posts wreaks of an opinion formed by the media's portrayal of us. There's so much amazing Blackness out there that no one ever gets to see because many would rather see us shuck and Jive and sing about sex.

Take a look. Whites 18-25 use it more.

The black/white marijuana arrest gap, in nine charts

June 4, 2013 at 12:41 PM

As you're probably aware, black Americans are arrested for marijuana possession far more frequently than whites. You may also know that there's not much evidence that black people consume marijuana with greater regularity than whites do.

But the extent of the disparity between the rate of arrest and the rate of use for white and black Americans may surprise you. The ACLU has an absurdly comprehensive new report tracking marijuana possession arrests for blacks and whites at the national, state and county level. Sure enough, they find that black and white people use marijuana at roughly the same rates:

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In at least one year, the white usage rate was higher. The others, the black usage rate was higher, but in no year were results for the two races that different. For young people ages 18-25, the rates of use are higher for whites:

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And more blacks say they've never used marijuana:

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Of course, this doesn't translate to roughly equal arrest rates. Not even close:

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And this is a uniform phenomenon. It's not that some states treat the races equally and others treat them really unequally. Only in Hawaii are the rates even close to equal, and that's biased by the fact that blacks make up only 1.6 percent of the population. In the state with the second-lowest disparity, Alaska, blacks are 1.6 times more likely to be arrested. In the state with the biggest, Iowa, blacks are 8.34 times more likely to be arrested. D.C. has the second biggest; in the District, blacks are 8.05 times more likely to be arrested.

Similarly, the vast majority of counties arrest blacks at a higher rate than whites, with some having a disparity of greater than 10 to 1:

And this includes a lot of urban areas that are highly populated and liberal-leaning. Cook County, Illinois, which includes Chicago, has one of the largest disparities of any county. So does New York County (Manhattan) and Kings County, N.Y. (Brooklyn):

How important is this? Well, while making up a quite small share of our prison population, marijuana possession charges make up nearly half of total drug arrests:

Obviously, being arrested without going to jail is a lot better than getting arrested and going to jail. But it's still a major nuisance, leading to fines, long hours of community service and thousands of dollars in legal fees.

The report does suggest that legal reforms, in particular decriminalization, is effective at reducing overall arrest rates. Massachusetts decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana in 2009, and arrests dropped an enormous amount:

But interestingly, the racial disparity in arrests did not fall at all:

In 2008, the black arrest rate in Massachusetts was 3.41 times the white arrest rate. In 2009, it was 5.4 times the white arrest rate. Now, the importance of the disparity diminishes when overall arrests are falling that dramatically, and there's no reason to think that decriminalization caused the disparity to increase; in 2010, it fell back down to 3.81.

But it's hard to make the case that decriminalization made enforcement more equitable. Indeed, as Stanford med school Professor Keith Humphreys notes, the states that have legalized or decriminalized marijuana to date all have smaller-than-average black populations. That suggests that whatever benefits casual marijuana users have received from those policies have mainly accrued to white smokers.
 
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I think those graphs need to be put into perspective. Like, for instance, per population percentages. Not just simple numbers comparisons, because we all know blacks make up roughly 13% of the population. Meaning, if they are THAT close to the whites, that means the population as a whole is doing it a lot more, extrapolate that data out and we'd have a big numbers difference. Except obviously for the arrest rates; which obviously you have your opinions on and others have theirs.


Second, like... Get some black friends... Really... Your posts wreaks of an opinion formed by the media's portrayal of us. There's so much amazing Blackness out there that no one ever gets to see because many would rather see us shuck and Jive and sing about sex.

Relax please. Stop making assumptions and trying to steer this into a fight.
 
I think those graphs need to be put into perspective. Like, for instance, per population percentages. Not just simple numbers comparisons, because we all know blacks make up roughly 13% of the population. Meaning, if they are THAT close to the whites, that means the population as a whole is doing it a lot more, extrapolate that data out and we'd have a big numbers difference. Except obviously for the arrest rates; which obviously you have your opinions on and others have theirs.

You use a lot of opinion make assumptions about others. That's problem. That argument makes my point. The arrest numbers should be significantly lower. Then you use the strawman argument:

"that means the population as a whole is doing it a lot more, extrapolate that data out and we'd have a big numbers difference."

*cough* bullshit *cough* opinion...

Using opinion as fact will make it harder for blacks and whites to relate. - Damany Iqwé

Relax please. Stop making assumptions and trying to steer this into a fight.

Again you use a lot of opinion to make assumptions about others.

It's already been a fight. You voted for Trump. I plan on fighting him tooth and nail. You must support the forced removal of people from their land by eminent domain so a corporation can run an oil pipeline over their aquifer... I don't.
 
You use a lot of opinion make assumptions about others. That's problem. That argument makes my point. The arrest numbers should be significantly lower. Then you use the strawman argument:

"that means the population as a whole is doing it a lot more, extrapolate that data out and we'd have a big numbers difference."

*cough* bullshit *cough* opinion...

Using opinion as fact will make it harder for blacks and whites to relate. - Damany Iqwé



Again you use a lot of opinion to make assumptions about others.

It's already been a fight. You voted for Trump. I plan on fighting him tooth and nail. You must support the forced removal of people from their land by eminent domain so a corporation can run an oil pipeline over their aquifer... I don't.
OK.
 
Jesus please us, blue. Can you read? The graphs clearly show rate. By definition, percentage.

dviss, in the brief gap between high school and college, I visited my favorite cousin, at that time he lived about 40 miles away. We all got stoned and were driving around, stopped by cop because, he explained, driver going 45 in 25 mile zone and taillight out. Legit stop. Also, three boys and one girl in car looked odd. The boys all local, me not. I pointed to my cousin, said I'm visiting my cousin, he got that "tell me more funny stories" look. We had more pot in paper bag under back seat. And the cops saw it. And ignored it.

We were white middle class college bound kids whose parents would blow a gasket but also would get us good lawyers. We weren't worth it. The cop said slow down, get light fixed, driver yessir'ed about a million times. We were scared shitless but nothing more.

I don't have to ask you, would it have been different if were were urban black kids?
 
I will agree about the drug charge shit, and I also agree MJ should be legal everywhere. I also think, and this is my own opinion, that the drug is more common with the black community, thus could contribute to the higher arrest rates. Perhaps that is because of the image, pattern, emulation of the hip hop culture?? I do not know. If we were to take drug charges out of the crime statistics, it would be interesting to see where everything lies.

No vetting, I always cap your name for some reason, LOL my bad.
it's really simple. some people smoke in private and dont bother people. other people do retarded shit like smoke while driving so you're whole fucking car leaves a smelly trail for a patrolling cop to follow. not to mention itll be on a suspended license and no insurance on the vehicle.

then theres the people who get arrested for something stupid like PDC and instead of giving the cop the tiny bit of weed when most cops would probably say fuck it or at most give you a small ticket, they stick it in their sock and pick up a charge trying to sneak contraband into a jail when it's found during a simple pat search.
 
Jesus please us, blue. Can you read? The graphs clearly show rate. By definition, percentage.

dviss, in the brief gap between high school and college, I visited my favorite cousin, at that time he lived about 40 miles away. We all got stoned and were driving around, stopped by cop because, he explained, driver going 45 in 25 mile zone and taillight out. Legit stop. Also, three boys and one girl in car looked odd. The boys all local, me not. I pointed to my cousin, said I'm visiting my cousin, he got that "tell me more funny stories" look. We had more pot in paper bag under back seat. And the cops saw it. And ignored it.

We were white middle class college bound kids whose parents would blow a gasket but also would get us good lawyers. We weren't worth it. The cop said slow down, get light fixed, driver yessir'ed about a million times. We were scared shitless but nothing more.

I don't have to ask you, would it have been different if were were urban black kids?
that had everything to do with your tits and nothing to do with race.
 
Imagine the word fool said with a little extra butter and cinnamon emphasis on it. It was in no way a personal attack. It was a term of endearment. Black people use that word in that context all the time. While not realizing this you go and cry to the mod... Jesus dude... Get some black friends...
i dont pay attention to the race of my friends. all my friends are good people. that's what matters :cheers:
 
Jesus please us, blue. Can you read? The graphs clearly show rate. By definition, percentage.

dviss, in the brief gap between high school and college, I visited my favorite cousin, at that time he lived about 40 miles away. We all got stoned and were driving around, stopped by cop because, he explained, driver going 45 in 25 mile zone and taillight out. Legit stop. Also, three boys and one girl in car looked odd. The boys all local, me not. I pointed to my cousin, said I'm visiting my cousin, he got that "tell me more funny stories" look. We had more pot in paper bag under back seat. And the cops saw it. And ignored it.

We were white middle class college bound kids whose parents would blow a gasket but also would get us good lawyers. We weren't worth it. The cop said slow down, get light fixed, driver yessir'ed about a million times. We were scared shitless but nothing more.

I don't have to ask you, would it have been different if were were urban black kids?
You live in a fantasy land if you think a lawyer could've gotten your friends out of any of that. Jesus Christ.....

You weren't worth what? You think that cop was scared to charge you with crimes because you were white? And looked like your parents might get upset, and hire a lawyer?

Shockingly, white people get charged with crimes, and go to prison every single day. Even the ultra privileged middle class ones, whose parents might get upset about it.
 
I doubt the cop was scared. But police do make value judgments all the time. Was that car speeding enough to stop? Is the person hanging out on a street corner waiting for a friend or dealing drugs? Is the person with backpack in store a shopper or a thief? Cop made value judgment we were "worthy" of being let go.

White people get charged with crimes but white kids get charged with a lot fewer pot smoking crimes than black kids. And there are crimes and crimes - pot smoking is not murder.
 
I once ate at McDonalds when I went to Cabo. It was the same as the McDonalds here, which I found disappointing.

Geez, that must be disappointing! A McDonald's in Cabo! What an eye sore. The last time I was there, there was a little place called Maria's, she made the salsas, cooking, and Boss.
Wonderful thin cut cactus feed beef steaks and Lamb too. No hamburg, and no competition from McDonald's. Great place to hang out for a week after the long voyage.
 
Of course they do. Everyone does. I think the biggest determining factor is the way a person is dressed. Nobody, including a cop, is going to look at a person dressed in slacks and wearing a tie, and say "that person looks like he's selling drugs" regardless of their skin color.

Real life example: one of my "friends" that's been selling drugs for over ten years, only dresses nice. And apparently it works.

Now if that same person was wearing sweatpants, Jordan's, an oversized white t-shirt, and a backwards hat. A cop would probably assume he's up to no good, regardless of skin color.

Real life example: most of my friends that have records.

Or if that person was wearing dirty clothing, and had track marks on his arms. A cop would think, "this guys a drug addict"

Real life example: my oldest brother. Our neighbors called the cops because our house got broken into, and when they showed up, all they tried to do was get my brother to admit he was a junkie. They didn't give a fuck that we didn't want them there, or that our house was broken into. They just kept saying, "where are the drugs? so if we search the house, we won't find drugs?" Obviously, we didn't let them in, and we didn't file a police report.

There's a lot of nerdy white kids that do drugs, but no one looks at a nerdy white kid and thinks "he's probably doing drugs/breaking the law" why? Because he looks like he drinks Monsters, and plays Halo for 16 hours a day.

Obviously, judging someone on how they're dressed isn't always the most appropriate route to go. If they're wearing all black and have a ski mask, sure, make assumptions.

That being said, I know there's a bunch of dumb ass cops that racially profile people as well. And it's because of what @dviss1 said.

They probably didn't grow up around black people, and all they "know" about black people is what they see on TV. So they see a music video of black people rapping about selling coke, then they see a black guy wearing a similar outfit in real life, and they're like "omg look! There's a drug dealer!"
 
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I'm also going to assume you were in a small town, decades ago. And the cop 1. Couldn't see through the paper bag. And 2. Was just in a giving mood. He could've at the very least, given your cousin traffic tickets.
 
Geez, that must be disappointing! A McDonald's in Cabo! What an eye sore. The last time I was there, there was a little place called Maria's, she made the salsas, cooking, and Boss.
Wonderful thin cut cactus feed beef steaks and Lamb too. No hamburg, and no competition from McDonald's. Great place to hang out for a week after the long voyage.

I was there for 10 days. Ate many great meals at many great restaurants. Even a few that were away from the tourists and where the locals went. Even went to the locals only bull fight. That was awesome.
 
Frederick Douglass invented the Afro in 1822.
 
its not even that black people are more likely to get arrested for weed. they are more likely to go to jail. and if they go to jail, they are more likely to get harsher sentences. black people are disproportionately fucked by cops and judges in the vast majority of this country.
 
its not even that black people are more likely to get arrested for weed. they are more likely to go to jail. and if they go to jail, they are more likely to get harsher sentences. black people are disproportionately fucked by cops and judges in the vast majority of this country.

That's why when I'm in dog mode I self identify as golden.
 
I think the biggest determining factor is the way a person is dressed.

that is a completely idiotic way of determining whether or not someone should get arrested. or found guilty. or serve a longer sentence.
 
that is a completely idiotic way of determining whether or not someone should get arrested. or found guilty. or serve a longer sentence.
Same with skin color. And for some reason, it keeps happening. That was kind of my whole point...

And I was talking about people being profiled, and questioned/arrested by cops. Even though, as most of us know, when you go to court, you dress in the best suit you have.

I literally heard a judge tell one of my brothers, "you didn't even wear a tie, do you care about this at all?"
 
Whenever America stops having privately owned, for profit prisons, we'll probably stop seeing so many people go to jail for such stupid shit. It's even leaked down into the juvenile system. Ever heard of cash for kids?
 
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