Zombie THE 2012 BIDEN/RYAN DEBATE - THE BATTLE OF CHAPLIN HILLS II

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HCP said:
I know it is important to be informed, but do you really think staying up on all the latest is that important?
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I think it's my responsibility as a citizen.
 
I knew last night this would be the biggest gaffe of last night's debate. Romney needs to corner Obama on this lie during the next debate.

As the dust of Thursday’s vice presidential debate settles, one of the storylines of Friday morning is Joe Biden’s bold statement that the administration was not told that officials in Libya requested more security before an attack that led to the death of several Americans, including our ambassador. The fact-checkers have found that to be patently false. And now, even the mainstream media is predicting it could be a problem.
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Now, this is how the Associated Press criticized Biden’s answer from its fact check from last night:

BIDEN: “Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again. And by the way, at the time we were told exactly – we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. That was the assessment. And as the intelligence community changed their view, we made it clear they changed their view.”

RYAN: “There were requests for more security.”

THE FACTS: Ryan is right, judging by testimony from Obama administration officials at the hearing a day earlier.
Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security, told lawmakers she refused requests for more security in Benghazi, saying the department wanted to train Libyans to protect the consulate. “Yes, sir, I said personally I would not support it,” she said.

Eric Nordstrom, who was the top security official in Libya earlier this year, testified he was criticized for seeking more security. He said conversations he had with people in Washington led him to believe that it was “abundantly clear we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident. How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?”

He said his exasperation reached a point where he told a colleague that “for me the Taliban is on the inside of the building.”
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cbs...ity-answer-could-mean-big-trouble-for-obama/#
 
STOMP said:
I only wish the R's walked their talking points but unfortunately their actions over the past couple decades haven't come anywhere close. Judging by actions, they're for growing government, starting wars & bartering power... being eager to spit on science and basic math makes them especially loathsome. They're even more willing corporate whores then the D's

It's a joke that they still call themselves Conservatives as they're anything but

STOMP
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STOMP, you hit the nail on the head as to why many of us who post on here from a right-of-center perspective don't consider ourselves Republicans. The rank and file Republicans in Washington are just as in favor of big government as the average Democrat. A pox on both their houses I say. The sooner they can be washed away by people who actually understand living within our means the better. Regardless of how it's been reported in the press, it's what the Tea Party is all about. Limited government, adhering to the Constitution and living within our means. All the other stuff reported is just fringe blather.

P.S. Repped.
 
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It was also odd how Biden said they had bad intel RE: the video/Libya, yet later on accepted intel on Iran's nukes as 100% accurate. :dunno:
 
Question: Did last night's debate enforce or diminish the idea that Paul Ryan was up to the job of being President if something happened to Mitt Romney? After all, other than being the political attack dog, that's the primary job of the Vice President. Regardless of political persuasion, I was comfortable of the idea of a President Walter Mondale, President George H.W. Bush, President Al Gore, President Dick Cheney or President Joe Biden. I was immensely uncomfortable with the idea of a President Dan Quayle.
 
Another clear lie from Biden regarding his votes on the Iraq and Afghan wars.

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.
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So Biden came across as a very bizarre and giggly liar, and Dems think that's a good thing.
 
Heh

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
Ryan should take out a laser pointer to see if Biden will chase it around the floor

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Coming in February to MSNBC: I AM ANGRY YELLING LAUGH NOW with Joe Biden #BroughttoyoubyCathetersdotCom

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
Biden did what he had to do last night: audition for a 5pm slot at MSNBC in January.

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
Ever been really stoned, with cottonmouth so bad your lips get stuck to your teeth? Yeah. #Biden

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Biden making me nostalgic for the calm, adult demeanor of Charlie Callas. #VwwweerpVvwwweeerp

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America slowly backing away from Biden, trying not to make any sudden moves
 
CBSNews poll says 49% say Ryan would be an effective president (56% say Biden would).

CNN poll says 60% say Ryan would be effective, 57% say Biden would.

EDIT: This was in response to maxiep.
 
BTW

CBS News poll was of uncommitted voters (not likely, not registered).
CNN was of registered voters (not likely ones).
 
As I've been stewing over this debate, a larger thought occurred to me. We can focus stylistically all we want, but perhaps it's something more fundamental. For the first time in modern history, I think the President and Vice President not only disagree with their opposition, but have real contempt for their viewpoint. Obama couldn't even make eye contact with Romney and Biden was demonstrated open contempt for Paul Ryan's worldview. If that's the case, in a second term, how can this Administration work with a Congress who will likely have one house being held by the GOP? It's really concerning.
 
One other larger thought: While in the first debate we saw President Obama being passive, which I saw as playing out the clock on the election, we saw Paul Ryan behaving calmly, as if they were the frontrunners. Could it be that internal polling shows them in better shape?

I guess perhaps it goes to the point I made earlier in the thread: Biden was playing to his base, which points to a strategy of a 2004 base election turnout model. In contrast, Ryan seemed to be reaching to the middle, playing to independents, which would point to more of a strategy of a 1996 model.
 
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great point Maxiep, fact is, they cant continue with the way thay have done things. GOPs wont cave in and there is only so many presidential mandates barry can toss out before even the dullest become aware.
 
agree, he made several references to working with both parties to get things done, and made reference to barrys lack of the same
 
maxiep said:
Obama couldn't even make eye contact with Romney and Biden was demonstrated open contempt for Paul Ryan's worldview.
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Guess it depends on your viewpoint.

Ryan couldn't even make eye contact with Biden and Romney demonstrated open contempt for Obama's worldview was what I saw.

Bottom line is neither Romney nor Ryan has to this date revealed any facts on how or what they would actually do to help the middle class. They've ducked the question(s) every time or been caught lying about their intentions and no doubt will be forced to continuing ducking and lying as their real goal is to continue the 40 year rape of the middle class that is destroying our country.
 
maxiep said:
As I've been stewing over this debate, a larger thought occurred to me. We can focus stylistically all we want, but perhaps it's something more fundamental. For the first time in modern history, I think the President and Vice President not only disagree with their opposition, but have real contempt for their viewpoint. Obama couldn't even make eye contact with Romney and Biden was demonstrated open contempt for Paul Ryan's worldview. If that's the case, in a second term, how can this Administration work with a Congress who will likely have one house being held by the GOP? It's really concerning.
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What are you talking about? Biden referred to Ryan as "my friend" multiple times. Does that not mean anything?

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e_blazer said:
What are you talking about? Biden referred to Ryan as "my friend" multiple times. Does that not mean anything?
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lol yeah, he did, with zero respect and open contempt, each time hesaid it, there was a mocking tone.
 
e_blazer said:
What are you talking about? Biden referred to Ryan as "my friend" multiple times. Does that not mean anything?
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He wasn't able to use green font in that setting.
 
PapaG said:
Another clear lie from Biden regarding his votes on the Iraq and Afghan wars.
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2 completely separate issues.

He was referring to later votes to borrow from China to finance the continued escalation of the 2 wars, not the original invasions which were represented by Bush to be quick in and outs with precise and limited goals.
 
MARIS61 said:
2 completely separate issues.

He was referring to later votes to borrow from China to finance the continued escalation of the 2 wars, not the original invasions which were represented by Bush to be quick in and outs with precise and limited goals.
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There were no later votes to borrow from China to finance the wars.

Do you just make this stuff up as you go?
 
maxiep said:
Question: Did last night's debate enforce or diminish the idea that Paul Ryan was up to the job of being President if something happened to Mitt Romney? After all, other than being the political attack dog, that's the primary job of the Vice President. Regardless of political persuasion, I was comfortable of the idea of a President Walter Mondale, President George H.W. Bush, President Al Gore, President Dick Cheney or President Joe Biden. I was immensely uncomfortable with the idea of a President Dan Quayle.
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I would say neither up or down. He's not as experienced as he could be, but then again he's no Palin...
 
I love this about Biden (and Obama as well):

Abortion: I don't like abortion, but I would not force my personal views on others.

Taxes: I don't think those people don't need that much money, so I'm going to force my belief on them and make them pay more.
 
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