The 2022 Trade Idea Thread, now with more urgency!

[BonesJones]

At this point, I think you have to trade Norm+CJ and try to surround Dame and Ant with the best defensive frontcourt possible.

My dream lineup going into next year would be:
Damian Lillard
Anfernee Simons
Ben Simmons
Chet Holmgren
Myles Turner

Gotta try to flip some combination of CJ, Norm, RoCo, Nurkic, Little, Nance, and future 1sts to get enough assets to land both Turner and Simmons then pray for some literary luck.

Four shooters around Ben and a Mobley/Allen style frontcourt with better 3pt shooting at the 4 & 5 would work. Mobley and Allen have been enough for the Cavaliers to play good defense with a Garland/Sexton backcourt early in the season with Lauri Markkanen at the 3.

 

[wizenheimer]

At this point, I think you have to trade Norm+CJ and try to surround Dame and Ant with the best defensive frontcourt possible.

My dream lineup going into next year would be:
Damian Lillard
Anfernee Simons
Ben Simmons
Chet Holmgren
Myles Turner

Gotta try to flip some combination of CJ, Norm, RoCo, Nurkic, Little, Nance, and future 1sts to get enough assets to land both Turner and Simmons then pray for some literary luck.

Four shooters around Ben and a Mobley/Allen style frontcourt with better 3pt shooting at the 4 & 5 would work. Mobley and Allen have been enough for the Cavaliers to play good defense with a Garland/Sexton backcourt early in the season with Lauri Markkanen at the 3.

so, going from Dame/CJ to Dame/Ant. Seems like a reboot of all the issues the former pairing created, but with maybe worse defense in the back court. Ant as CJ 2.0. And of course, the Blazers do not have the assets to get both Simmons and Turner. Winning the lottery just adds to the fantasy I guess

Simons should be made just as available in a trade as CJ and Powell....unless the Blazers go full rebuild and trade everybody over 24

 

[BonesJones]

so, going from Dame/CJ to Dame/Ant. Seems like a reboot of all the issues the former pairing created, but with maybe worse defense in the back court. Ant as CJ 2.0. And of course, the Blazers do not have the assets to get both Simmons and Turner. Winning the lottery just adds to the fantasy I guess

Simons should be made just as available in a trade as CJ and Powell....unless the Blazers go full rebuild and trade everybody over 24

I think Simons can be a better on ball defender than CJ. He has more athletic ability for sure. I think he and Dame would be better playing off each other too.

Trade value wise, I think both the following are more than reasonable:

CJ and three 1sts for Simmons
Little and two 1sts for Turner

Trade RoCo and our 2nd to Chicago for our first back opens up our future 1sts enough to get Simmons. Then you'd just need to get two firsts out of Norm, Nurkic, and Nance which is certainly doable.

Would need lottery luck but that's why I said it's my "dream" lineup.

 

[illmatic99]

so, going from Dame/CJ to Dame/Ant. Seems like a reboot of all the issues the former pairing created, but with maybe worse defense in the back court. Ant as CJ 2.0. And of course, the Blazers do not have the assets to get both Simmons and Turner. Winning the lottery just adds to the fantasy I guess

Simons should be made just as available in a trade as CJ and Powell....unless the Blazers go full rebuild and trade everybody over 24

if we're planning our rebuild around a dame/ant backcourt, cronin needs to be stopped before he gets to it. Ant is either gonna be our fulltime PG with a Dame trade or he's the super 6th man.

 

[Scalma]

Myles Turner is doo doo (relative to the perception about his game) I wish I didn’t have to read another trade proposal including him ever again.

Nurk had more rebounds yesterday than Turner had in his last three games combined. A truly horrible rebounder considering his physical tools. His blocks come mainly as a help defender. He gets moved in the post easily by anyone with size. He has no desire/urgency to do the dirty work necessary to be an offensive force. I’ve seen plays called for him in the post where he just gives up on getting into position. His shooting is average. There’s a reason why he couldn’t develop into a focal point offensively under multiple coaches, including one of the most offensive friendly ones in Carlisle. “Oh but he can switch on the perimeter.” You think he’s keeping any guards in today’s league in front of him? Nope. No center is. Go watch the clippers series against the Jazz last playoffs when they made Gobert look like a punk. If you don’t have perimeter defenders, any center will struggle.

I could read a million proposals suggesting trading Nurk, but he will always be my #1 option. If I’m the only one, so be it. No one is gonna give him a crazy contract. We have no internal option to replace him. He’s one of our only good defenders. He’s still only 27. If the Warriors are actually interested in him you anti Nurk dorks should second guess yourselves as to what they’re appreciating about his game you aren’t. If he goes over there he will make a big impact and win a ring. Could you imagine the space he’d create for Curry and the passing freedom Kerr would give him? JFC.

There are a lot more reasons to re-sign him than to trade him. Hopefully Cronin is smarter than that/End rant.

 

[BankTeller]

At this point, I think you have to trade Norm+CJ and try to surround Dame and Ant with the best defensive frontcourt possible.

My dream lineup going into next year would be:
Damian Lillard
Anfernee Simons
Ben Simmons
Chet Holmgren
Myles Turner

Gotta try to flip some combination of CJ, Norm, RoCo, Nurkic, Little, Nance, and future 1sts to get enough assets to land both Turner and Simmons then pray for some literary luck.

Four shooters around Ben and a Mobley/Allen style frontcourt with better 3pt shooting at the 4 & 5 would work. Mobley and Allen have been enough for the Cavaliers to play good defense with a Garland/Sexton backcourt early in the season with Lauri Markkanen at the 3.

If we didn’t get high enough to get Chet, are you trading up to get him? Or would you be interested in the following lineup as well?

Damian Lillard
Anfernee Simons
Bennedict Mathurin
Ben Simmons
Myles Turner

If we were in a position where we’re #3 and only Banchero is left, I would consider trading down and getting assets on top of Mathurin.

I guess timeline would be everything for this scenario. Turner would probably be the first move. Are you trading for Ben at the deadline or at the draft? If you’re trading for him this deadline, do you just give him the rest of the year off to get his mind right for next season to improve lotto odds? My fear is Simons + Ben + Turner still might get your record to be good enough that it’s really only the 10th pick. Mathurin has good size and athleticism. He won’t be Chet on defense, but he’s a good defender and can shoot the 3 already.

 

[BonesJones]

Myles Turner is doo doo (relative to the perception about his game) I wish I didn’t have to read another trade proposal including him ever again.

Nurk had more rebounds yesterday than Turner had in his last three games combined. A truly horrible rebounder considering his physical tools. His blocks come mainly as a help defender. He gets moved in the post easily by anyone with size. He has no desire/urgency to do the dirty work necessary to be an offensive force. I’ve seen plays called for him in the post where he just gives up on getting into position. His shooting is average. There’s a reason why he couldn’t develop into a focal point offensively under multiple coaches, including one of the most offensive friendly ones in Carlisle. “Oh but he can switch on the perimeter.” You think he’s keeping any guards in today’s league in front of him? Nope. No center is. Go watch the clippers series against the Jazz last playoffs when they made Gobert look like a punk. If you don’t have perimeter defenders, any center will struggle.

I could read a million proposals suggesting trading Nurk, but he will always be my #1 option. If I’m the only one, so be it. No one is gonna give him a crazy contract. We have no internal option to replace him. He’s one of our only good defenders. He’s still only 27. If the Warriors are actually interested in him you anti Nurk dorks should second guess yourselves as to what they’re appreciating about his game you aren’t. If he goes over there he will make a big impact and win a ring. Could you imagine the space he’d create for Curry and the passing freedom Kerr would give him? JFC.

There are a lot more reasons to re-sign him than to trade him. Hopefully Cronin is smarter than that/End rant.

I've been defending Nurkic all season. Taken a ton of heat for it to. I like Nurkic and think he'd be a great fit in Golden State due to his screen setting and passing ability, and have stated that multiple times. JFC.

We wouldn't need Turner to be a focal point offensively or to run post-ups for him.

If we get Simmons, I'm weary about having two non-shooters out there when Dame has the ball, and would want as much floor spacing for Simmons as possible. I don't want Turner without a Simmons trade.

 

[BonesJones]

If we didn’t get high enough to get Chet, are you trading up to get him? Or would you be interested in the following lineup as well?

Damian Lillard
Anfernee Simons
Bennedict Mathurin
Ben Simmons
Myles Turner

If we were in a position where we’re #3 and only Banchero is left, I would consider trading down and getting assets on top of Mathurin.

I guess timeline would be everything for this scenario. Turner would probably be the first move. Are you trading for Ben at the deadline or at the draft? If you’re trading for him this deadline, do you just give him the rest of the year off to get his mind right for next season to improve lotto odds? My fear is Simons + Ben + Turner still might get your record to be good enough that it’s really only the 10th pick. Mathurin has good size and athleticism. He won’t be Chet on defense, but he’s a good defender and can shoot the 3 already.

I'm not a high on Mathurins defense, but in that scenario you have options since Simmons can be cast as the 3 or the 4. We could trade the pick for something also. If we're at 3 and it's Banchero you take him IMO. At 4 the only pick is Ivey so it'd be interesting to see what we'd do there.

 

[BankTeller]

Myles Turner is doo doo (relative to the perception about his game) I wish I didn’t have to read another trade proposal including him ever again.

Nurk had more rebounds yesterday than Turner had in his last three games combined. A truly horrible rebounder considering his physical tools. His blocks come mainly as a help defender. He gets moved in the post easily by anyone with size. He has no desire/urgency to do the dirty work necessary to be an offensive force. I’ve seen plays called for him in the post where he just gives up on getting into position. His shooting is average. There’s a reason why he couldn’t develop into a focal point offensively under multiple coaches, including one of the most offensive friendly ones in Carlisle. “Oh but he can switch on the perimeter.” You think he’s keeping any guards in today’s league in front of him? Nope. No center is. Go watch the clippers series against the Jazz last playoffs when they made Gobert look like a punk. If you don’t have perimeter defenders, any center will struggle.

I could read a million proposals suggesting trading Nurk, but he will always be my #1 option. If I’m the only one, so be it. No one is gonna give him a crazy contract. We have no internal option to replace him. He’s one of our only good defenders. He’s still only 27. If the Warriors are actually interested in him you anti Nurk dorks should second guess yourselves as to what they’re appreciating about his game you aren’t. If he goes over there he will make a big impact and win a ring. Could you imagine the space he’d create for Curry and the passing freedom Kerr would give him? JFC.

There are a lot more reasons to re-sign him than to trade him. Hopefully Cronin is smarter than that/End rant.

You know for sure he’s re-signing?

 

[Scalma]

You know for sure he’s re-signing?

you know for sure he’s not? Because that’s the only scenario I’m trading him.

 

[blazerkor]

because Morey is a moron

He is but he would 1000% do this because it's two big names and he likes that kind of shit.


I'd then make this trade with the Pacers. Norm and Larry really fit with them much better than these two guys but may not have the value. So you throw in Nurk and the Pacers get to decide what to do with his value (either keep it or flip it). It says failed but it will work in less than a week no matter what fanspo says.


For now we would have Seth, LeVert, Nas, Simmons and Turner starting with a pretty weak looking bench but I think we could get a lot out of the guys we've been playing off of the bench DSJ, BennyMac, Watford and Cody. We would actually have to sign two new players to the roster so that might have an effect on the rotation, I would switch Watford to a three year contract and then sign a standout GLeague SF. I actually think that team makes the playoffs. I also think if Dame does get surgery that area heals really fast, if that tendon he is having problems with is torn and needs surgery the recovery time is 4-6 weeks. So I think Dame would be back for the last few weeks of the season and then a playoff showing.

Dame, LeVert, Nas, Simmons and Turner with Seth as our sixth man and BennyMac, Watford and Zeller could make a good showing in the playoffs even if we didn't make it out of the first round because we were playing the Warriors or Suns but I think we'd be a team that no one would want to see. That's a lot of athleticism, defense, shooting and smart ball players. A helluva team returning next season. Sorry if you don't see the value in Turner but I've watched a ton of Pacers games and he gets good positioning but loses a lot of rebound (or some would say gives them) to Sabonis.

 

[illmatic99]

It's kinda funny how much Reddish is getting overrated as a 3&D guy just waiting to breakout. Here's what KOC said about Reddish in his article I posted earlier: "Anything short of a player of Simmons’s caliber should not be considered for Reddish, no matter what money he might demand more than a year from now. Many other teams want him because he could be worth it."

Reddish (age 22): 24 min, 12 pts, 2.5 rebs, 1.1 ast, 1.0 stl on 54% TS, 13.4 PER
Little (age 21): 25 min, 9 pts, 5.6 rebs, 1.1 ast, 0.8 blk, on 56% TS 13.4 PER

Reddish's advanced defensive metrics have absolutely tanked this year, while Nas rates better than him on quite a few values.

Think our guy could have similar trade value, if you look at the numbers.

 

[Scalma]

It's kinda funny how much Reddish is getting overrated as a 3&D guy just waiting to breakout. Here's what KOC said about Reddish in his article I posted earlier: "Anything short of a player of Simmons’s caliber should not be considered for Reddish, no matter what money he might demand more than a year from now. Many other teams want him because he could be worth it."

Reddish (age 22): 24 min, 12 pts, 2.5 rebs, 1.1 ast, 1.0 stl on 54% TS, 13.4 PER
Little (age 21): 25 min, 9 pts, 5.6 rebs, 1.1 ast, 0.8 blk, on 56% TS 13.4 PER

Reddish's advanced defensive metrics have absolutely tanked this year, while Nas probably rates better than him on quite a few values.

Think our guy could have similar value, if you look at the numbers.

I think KOC annoys me the most out of all of them. Complete goober. I remember when he was telling everyone last year that Aaron Gordon was the missing piece. His valuations are so off!

 

[blazerkor]

He is but he would 1000% do this because it's two big names and he likes that kind of shit.
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I'd then make this trade with the Pacers. Norm and Larry really fit with them much better than these two guys but may not have the value. So you throw in Nurk and the Pacers get to decide what to do with his value (either keep it or flip it). It says failed but it will work in less than a week no matter what fanspo says.
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For now we would have Seth, LeVert, Nas, Simmons and Turner starting with a pretty weak looking bench but I think we could get a lot out of the guys we've been playing off of the bench DSJ, BennyMac, Watford and Cody. We would actually have to sign two new players to the roster so that might have an effect on the rotation, I would switch Watford to a three year contract and then sign a standout GLeague SF. I actually think that team makes the playoffs. I also think if Dame does get surgery that area heals really fast, if that tendon he is having problems with is torn and needs surgery the recovery time is 4-6 weeks. So I think Dame would be back for the last few weeks of the season and then a playoff showing.

Dame, LeVert, Nas, Simmons and Turner with Seth as our sixth man and BennyMac, Watford and Zeller could make a good showing in the playoffs even if we didn't make it out of the first round because we were playing the Warriors or Suns but I think we'd be a team that no one would want to see. That's a lot of athleticism, defense, shooting and smart ball players. A helluva team returning next season. Sorry if you don't see the value in Turner but I've watched a ton of Pacers games and he gets good positioning but loses a lot of rebound (or some would say gives them) to Sabonis.

If we could pull off those two big deals and signed Watford to a three year contract we would go into the off season with Dame, LeVert, Nas, Simmons, Turner, Seth, GB3, Watford and a second rounder that we'd probably pay just 1M signed for next season. That's nine players signed for around 134M counting our dead cap. The luxury tax line is going to be 145M next season.

So if we signed 4 players to minimum deals that would put us around 142M. We could at that point use the full MLE which would hard cap us but give us a chance to get a real impact player with a contract that would be at 10M in the first year. With the right player for the MLE and the right couple of vet min guys in the rotation we could definitely be contenders next season.

 

[BankTeller]

you know for sure he’s not? Because that’s the only scenario I’m trading him.

I don’t know for sure he’s not. I’m hoping he tells us he’s not so the decision to trade him is obvious. But I guess that’s the disconnect, I would trade him regardless on if he wanted to re-sign or not because we can get more assets from him gone than keeping him. But that’s my opinion. I’m not anti-Nurk, just I’m definitely also not pro-Nurk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I think Simons can be a better on ball defender than CJ. He has more athletic ability for sure. I think he and Dame would be better playing off each other too.

Trade value wise, I think both the following are more than reasonable:

CJ and three 1sts for Simmons
Little and two 1sts for Turner

Trade RoCo and our 2nd to Chicago for our first back opens up our future 1sts enough to get Simmons. Then you'd just need to get two firsts out of Norm, Nurkic, and Nance which is certainly doable.

Would need lottery luck but that's why I said it's my "dream" lineup.

Giving up 5 firsts and two players for two players? Talk about selling the farm.

No thank you.

Olshey already sold our future for role players. Little & two firsts for Turner. No thanks. Don't see enough there to justify that cost. CJ & 3 firsts for Simmons? He's a definite upgrade from CJ but that is mortgaging our future for hoping Simmons works out.

Not a fan of selling our future. Not sure where we're going to get all those firsts anyway, not sure we have many available right now.

 

[South East]

Myles Turner is doo doo (relative to the perception about his game) I wish I didn’t have to read another trade proposal including him ever again.

Nurk had more rebounds yesterday than Turner had in his last three games combined. A truly horrible rebounder considering his physical tools. His blocks come mainly as a help defender. He gets moved in the post easily by anyone with size. He has no desire/urgency to do the dirty work necessary to be an offensive force. I’ve seen plays called for him in the post where he just gives up on getting into position. His shooting is average. There’s a reason why he couldn’t develop into a focal point offensively under multiple coaches, including one of the most offensive friendly ones in Carlisle. “Oh but he can switch on the perimeter.” You think he’s keeping any guards in today’s league in front of him? Nope. No center is. Go watch the clippers series against the Jazz last playoffs when they made Gobert look like a punk. If you don’t have perimeter defenders, any center will struggle.

I could read a million proposals suggesting trading Nurk, but he will always be my #1 option. If I’m the only one, so be it. No one is gonna give him a crazy contract. We have no internal option to replace him. He’s one of our only good defenders. He’s still only 27. If the Warriors are actually interested in him you anti Nurk dorks should second guess yourselves as to what they’re appreciating about his game you aren’t. If he goes over there he will make a big impact and win a ring. Could you imagine the space he’d create for Curry and the passing freedom Kerr would give him? JFC.

There are a lot more reasons to re-sign him than to trade him. Hopefully Cronin is smarter than that/End rant.

I agree with virtually everything you said but realistically I don’t see how he works unless you’re offense is the same as GS. He fits perfectly into their system. What Portland runs and with Dame he only works in the PnR. Dame needs the ball in his hands and doesn’t cover the floor off the ball anywhere near what Steph does. GS is predicated on ball and man movement with PnR. Portland is PnR to 1 on 1. That’s the strength of the players.

I think with Dame you have to put a team more like the Raps with a bunch of interchangeable 6’7” to 6’10” defensive shooters.

 

[BonesJones]

I agree with virtually everything you said but realistically I don’t see how he works unless you’re offense is the same as GS. He fits perfectly into their system. What Portland runs and with Dame he only works in the PnR. Dame needs the ball in his hands and doesn’t cover the floor off the ball anywhere near what Steph does. GS is predicated on ball and man movement with PnR. Portland is PnR to 1 on 1. That’s the strength of the players.

I think with Dame you have to put a team more like the Raps with a bunch of interchangeable 6’7” to 6’10” defensive shooters.

I still think Dame can play that way if healthy, and Golden State's system would be perfect for the lineup I proposed if he could.

 

[BonesJones]

Giving up 5 firsts and two players for two players? Talk about selling the farm.

No thank you.

Olshey already sold our future for role players. Little & two firsts for Turner. No thanks. Don't see enough there to justify that cost. CJ & 3 firsts for Simmons? He's a definite upgrade from CJ but that is mortgaging our future for hoping Simmons works out.

Not a fan of selling our future. Not sure where we're going to get all those firsts anyway, not sure we have many available right now.

Trade RoCo and a 2nd to Chicago for our first back. Then we have all our 1sts.

 

[calvin natt]

Lillard for Jason Tatum.

 

[TBpup]

Lillard for Jason Tatum.

Neither team would do that, but it would be interesting both ways.

Dame/Brown in Boston
Tatum/Little/Ant in Portland

Interesting....

 

[calvin natt]

Neither team would do that, but it would be interesting both ways.

Dame/Brown in Boston
Tatum/Little/Ant in Portland

Interesting....

The only reason would be the emotional part of it. It is good for both teams. Lillard and Brown and one more piece and Boston is in it. Portland goes Young but with talent in Tatum, Little, Simons etc. but gotta have balls.

 

[MickZagger]

Lillard for Jason Tatum.

I’d do it in a second.

 

[illmatic99]

Lillard for Jason Tatum.

think we might get brown but not tatum.

ant's recent play makes it reeeeallly tempting, not gonna lie

 

[Scalma]

I’ll say this, I’m a lot less worried about a Dame trade request than I was in the summer. He’d probably be doing us a favor if were being honest. Still, I would only trade him if he wanted out. He’s earned that. And who knows, maybe he’d be ok with a rebuild around him. We already have a couple really nice young pieces, not sure a complete tear down is even necessary

 

[calvin natt]

think we might get brown but not tatum.

ant's recent play makes it reeeeallly tempting, not gonna lie

Also fine with me. In fact might prefer it

 

[BankTeller]

I’ll say this, I’m a lot less worried about a Dame trade request than I was in the summer. He’d probably be doing us a favor if were being honest. Still, I would only trade him if he wanted out. He’s earned that. And who knows, maybe he’d be ok with a rebuild around him. We already have a couple really nice young pieces, not sure a complete tear down is even necessary

Yeah Ben, Maxey, and 3 1sts for Dame doesn’t sound so bad now. Combine that with all the assets from CJ/Cov/Nurk/Norm and we pretty much have an accelerated rebuild similar to Memphis and we’re in a much better position than the thunder.

Guess I’m okay with whichever direction we go now.

 

[wizenheimer]

think we might get brown but not tatum.

ant's recent play makes it reeeeallly tempting, not gonna lie

I remember people saying similar things the first year CJ started and had some big games..."trade Dame and keep CJ!". That died in a hurry. Of course it was 5-6 years ago when Dame was 25

I think Simons has been playing well, but I don't think it's sustainable. He's going to get scouted. Still, he's been impressive and has shown he has more upside than being a one-dimensional player. Still sucks on defense though, but that's a Blazer standard

 

[BankTeller]

Also fine with me. In fact might prefer it

I personally like Tatum with Ben more. I would even consider taking less picks or young players if we get Tatum. Tatum and Ben, at least reputation-wise, are just as good as PG and Kawhi defensively. Ivey is still at the top the lottery, or we can get one of the bigs if you believe in Maxey.

 

[BankTeller]

I remember people saying similar things the first year CJ started and had some big games..."trade Dame and keep CJ!". That died in a hurry. Of course it was 5-6 years ago when Dame was 25

I think Simons has been playing well, but I don't think it's sustainable. He's going to get scouted. Still, he's been impressive and has shown he has more upside than being a one-dimensional player. Still sucks on defense though, but that's a Blazer standard

Fine by me, we lose more games and we lock up up for less money. Chauncey can still turn this guy into a legit PG. And I’ve seen enough development on defensive side of the ball to be confident he will be average or better on that end soon.