The 2022 Trade Idea Thread, now with more urgency!

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wizenheimer said:
I remember people saying similar things the first year CJ started and had some big games..."trade Dame and keep CJ!". That died in a hurry. Of course it was 5-6 years ago when Dame was 25

I think Simons has been playing well, but I don't think it's sustainable. He's going to get scouted. Still, he's been impressive and has shown he has more upside than being a one-dimensional player. Still sucks on defense though, but that's a Blazer standard
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I know it's reactionary. Fun week of games tho
 
Regarding Ant, worst case he ups his trade value.... Maybe some team will really value him and give us someone good.
 
Yeah this was just one fun game but the truth is that if the team is going to stick with Dame they should cash in whatever value that Ant has built and will build between now and next month. They also need to trade every player that doesn't fit with Dame and do it by this trade deadline.
 
illmatic99 said:
I know it's reactionary. Fun week of games tho
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no doubt the games have been entertaining. Losses may be more valuable at this stage of the season though. It's hard to tank effectively when you have players like Ant, Nurkic, RoCo, Nas...and McLemore has been something else too. Besides that, you can't expect the Blazers to just hand the game to the other team. The Kings and Nets had their chances and they brought defense that was just as bad as Portland's and missed buckets of easy shots
 
B-Roy said:
Regarding Ant, worst case he ups his trade value.... Maybe some team will really value him and give us someone good.
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that would probably be better than some team valuing him as a free agent and making a 20M/year offer sheet
 
B-Roy said:
Regarding Ant, worst case he ups his trade value.... Maybe some team will really value him and give us someone good.
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Anyone we could get for Simons will be much older. Is that what we really want? I don't think so. No one is going to give you equivalent value at the same age. Anyone trying to make a move for him will likely be trying to trade older vets and going for a rebuild. I think Norm, CJ, Nurk, Roco, Nance is enough pieces to get something really good back.
 
AmirIcon said:
Anyone we could get for Simons will be much older. Is that what we really want? I don't think so. No one is going to give you equivalent value at the same age. Anyone trying to make a move for him will likely be trying to trade older vets and going for a rebuild. I think Norm, CJ, Nurk, Roco, Nance is enough pieces to get something really good back.
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unless we’re trading dame we are gonna be trying to win next year. We’re not gonna trade all our vets, it’s just not realistic. That said, I doubt Ant gets traded.
 
Players averaging at least 18ppg on at least 45% FG and 39% 3PT

Lavine
Wiggins
Bojan
Powell

There were also two bigs that qualified but I left them out because they’re not relevant to my point that Powell would be one of the most valuable guards/wings if/when made available.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah this was just one fun game but the truth is that if the team is going to stick with Dame they should cash in whatever value that Ant has built and will build between now and next month. They also need to trade every player that doesn't fit with Dame and do it by this trade deadline.
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Only if the Blazers can build a contender around Dame soon. If not, than trading away the best young asset the team has in Simons is stupid. The team can rebuild with Dame as the only "win now" player.

Maybe in an ideal world its better for a rebuild to trade away Dame, but if there is an ultimatum from Dame/ownership/management that he stays put that is fine, the team should not sacrifice long term assets unless short term contention is realistic.
 
It seems like posters and fans think the Blazers can contend with the roster more or less as is, while trading Simons for veteran? I just don't get that at all. Even with a healthy Dame this roster is nowhere close to contending. Getting into the playoffs sure, maybe winning one series sure, but a legit shot to win it all? No, that just is not realistic.

Until management understands the above trying to contend around Dame very soon is just destined to failure.

My hope is the team doesn't sacrifice their best young assets in such a doomed to fail endevour. Trade away CJ, Norm, Nurk, etc I'm fine with. Don't trade away unprotected picks nor trade away Simons.
 
How about Roco, Nurk and Powell for John Collins and Bogdanovich?
 
Scalma said:
Players averaging at least 18ppg on at least 45% FG and 39% 3PT

Lavine
Wiggins
Bojan
Powell

There were also two bigs that qualified but I left them out because they’re not relevant to my point that Powell would be one of the most valuable guards/wings if/when made available.
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Agreed. If we found a new home for CJ for a 3 or 4 I wouldn't be opposed to Powell for Marcus Smart. He'd be the ideal type of 3rd piece to make a backcourt with heavy minutes from Dame and Ant work.
 
boredinsalem said:
Agreed. If we found a new home for CJ for a 3 or 4 I wouldn't be opposed to Powell for Marcus Smart. He'd be the ideal type of 3rd piece to make a backcourt with heavy minutes from Dame and Ant work.
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while smart is a far better perimeter defender than any of our other guys, he's still 6'3. i don't want him guarding wings. our goal should be to avoid this 3 guard nonsense that Olshey put together
 
boredinsalem said:
If you can hypnotize Atlanta into that there'll be a statue of you in PDX that even antifa wouldn't tear down.
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Well, Norman Powell is having a much better year than Bogdanovich at a lower salary. Atlanta may be having second thoughts about Bogdanovich,
 
illmatic99 said:
while smart is a far better perimeter defender than any of our other guys, he's still 6'3. i don't want him guarding wings. our goal should be to avoid this 3 guard nonsense that Olshey put together
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a lot of teams run three guard lineups, it’s not an olshey creation. But no teams run 3 guard lineups where everyone is a shitty defender. That is.​
 
Scalma said:

a lot of teams run three guard lineups, it’s not an olshey creation. But no teams run 3 guard lineups where everyone is a shitty defender. That is.​
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teams also don't run them for 40+ mins a game.
 
illmatic99 said:
teams also don't run them for 40+ mins a game.
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The bulls do. The nuggets do. The pistons do. The rockets do. The clippers do. The lakers do. Should I go on?

The thunder had three point guards average 30 minutes a couple seasons ago with Paul, SGA, and Schroder and was the primary reason for their success that year.

The hornets ran three guard lineups last year and were doing well before Ball got injured.
 
Scalma said:
The bulls do. The nuggets do. The pistons do. The rockets do. The clippers do. The lakers do. Should I go on?

The thunder had three point guards average 30 minutes a couple seasons ago with Paul, SGA, and Schroder and was the primary reason for their success that year.

The hornets ran three guard lineups last year and were doing well before Ball got injured.
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with all three guards 6'3 or shorter?

lonzo and lavine are both like 6'6.

SGA is 6'6.

etc etc etc
 
illmatic99 said:
with all three guards 6'3 or shorter?
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with guards that can actually defend yeah. Smart gets assigned to wings all the time and is known for his ability to lock down much bigger players. Dort is 6’3 and is constantly assigned to opposing teams best perimeter players. DiVincenzo is one of the best perimeter defenders and he’s 6’3. Draymond is one of, if not the best defenders in the last decade, and he’s undersized every night.
 
I think you could do three guards if two of them were like Powell. Or Powell and Smart alongside only one of Dame/CJ/Simons.

I don't think a 3rd guard along with the DameCJ duo is good. The DameCJ duo needs big forwards as we had with Aminu and Harkless. If those 2 forward positions had guys who could hit wide open threes that would be an ideal frontcourt. We had good defenses those years too. The problem was in the playoffs opponents would trap Dame, then Aminu/Harkless got exposed on offense. Even with that we made it to the WCF, multiple first round wins, and two years of #3 seeds.

Dame and CJ duo can work. The 3 guard lineups with Powell can work. The problem is you can't do both at the same time.
 
Scalma said:
with guards that can actually defend yeah. Smart gets assigned to wings all the time and is known for his ability to lock down much bigger players. Dort is 6’3 and is constantly assigned to opposing teams best perimeter players. DiVincenzo is one of the best perimeter defenders and he’s 6’3. Draymond is one of, if not the best defenders in the last decade, and he’s undersized every night.
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fine, but it's still MY preference to get height. i want no part of watching smart try to defend guys 6 inches taller than him in a playoff series.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I think you could do three guards if two of them were like Powell. Or Powell and Smart.

I don't think a 3rd guard along with the DameCJ duo is good. The DameCJ duo needs big forwards as we had with Aminu and Harkless. If those guys could hit wide open threes that would be an ideal frontcourt.
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the same would be true with a dame/ant lineup. prolly worse, tbh.
 
illmatic99 said:
fine, but it's still MY preference to get height. i want no part of watching smart try to defend guys 6 inches taller than him in a playoff series.
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So how is that line of thinking different than saying I don’t wanna see Draymond defending any centers?
 
Scalma said:
So how is that line of thinking different than saying I don’t wanna see Draymond defending any centers?
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draymond was also surrounded by all NBA defenders like Iggy and Klay who are both tall/long for their positions. Then they added a 7 foot Durant next to him to protect the rim. And they switched 2-5 for nearly 5 seasons. You want a 6'3 Smart switching onto guys like AD?

You don't see the difference in comparing Smart (next to two short defenders who are consistently among the worst in the league with Dame/Simons) with Draymond and all the defensive talent and SIZE around him?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Only if the Blazers can build a contender around Dame soon. If not, than trading away the best young asset the team has in Simons is stupid. The team can rebuild with Dame as the only "win now" player.

Maybe in an ideal world its better for a rebuild to trade away Dame, but if there is an ultimatum from Dame/ownership/management that he stays put that is fine, the team should not sacrifice long term assets unless short term contention is realistic.
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This is true
 
illmatic99 said:
the same would be true with a dame/ant lineup. prolly worse, tbh.
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Possibly or possibly not. We have a huge sample size of CJ defense, he is full developed, plus was a 4 year college player.

Simons has 0 year of college basketball, is taller, and obviously much younger so I don't think we know as much, what defender he will be in his mid to late 20's.

Also Simons would be more of a split starter/backup even next season, as opposed to CJ being the teams 2nd key player along with Dame. Dame should play less minutes in each future year as Simons role increases. Again very different than two players with only a few months of age difference in their peak minute mid 20's together.

So the negatives of a Dame-Simons duo could ultimately be very different than the negatives we had of a DameCJ duo.
 
illmatic99 said:
draymond was also surrounded by all NBA defenders like Iggy and Klay who are both tall/long for their positions. Then they added a 7 foot Durant next to him to protect the rim. And they switched 2-5 for nearly 5 seasons. You want a 6'3 Smart switching onto guys like AD?

You don't see the difference in comparing Smart (next to two short defenders who are consistently among the worst in the league with Dame/Simons) with Draymond and all the defensive talent and SIZE around him?
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You're assuming that we wouldnt have size in this theoretical scenario? My dream is to dump CJ for a wing and Powell for Smart. You start Smart at SG with Simons as the sixth man. At forward you have proper sized players. I dont see the issue
 
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