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AmirIcon said:
He's a chucker. Not nearly as good as Nurk. If we can get him to Toronto though...
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randle should never play center probably not even in a small ball lineup. he’s a power forward that would fit well with Nurk. I think he just needs a vet like Dame to keep him in check. Dunno what it would take to get him (wouldn’t give up anyone outside powell or maybe CJ) but I like the idea.
 
Predator said:
Where did I say trade CJ and Norm? CJ, sure. Not real keen on moving Norm, but ok. Now that the goal posts have been moved let’s go with the assumption we trade both.

Next answer: Dennis Smith Jr. + Ben + CJ Elleby (and yeah, probably not a great rotation but I don’t care. No trades are going to make us contenders this year unless Morey loses his mind and trades us Embiid for CJ and Norm + Nurk for Durant) or some looney tunes bullshit. I’m being over the top, but you get the point.

Final answer: You said NEXT year they’d play 48 minutes per game, which is what I responded to. I’m sure we could A) Draft a guard b) Sign a guard.
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I'm moving the goalposts? This was literally my first reply to you:
BonesJones said:
If we trade Norm and CJ we would need a 3rd guard. Sounds like New Orleans is the most likely spot for CJ with picks + Hart being the most likely package. Hart would be a really good fit as a 3rd guard behind Dame and Ant. Would then use the picks with other assets that we got from Norm and RoCo trades to try to upgrade the frontcourt, most likely in the offseason.
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We're not getting a legit forward for CJ that's good enough to get us where we need to go it makes more sense to stockpile picks, tank the rest of the year for a good draft pick, then hope that a legitimate forward becomes available in the off-season that we can cash in on. It's easy to create big TPEs for us with New Orleans and they make the most sense for CJ and would probably give up the most. They'd have to trade Hart to match. So at that point, cash in RoCo and Norm to other teams for picks. Then we could potentially sell a team on up to five or six 1sts (one of which could be top 10) as well as Nas for any one of Jaylen Brown, Siakam, Anunoby, Collins, Simmons (if Philly strikes out on Harden, if they don't want picks you can try to swing a 3-team deal), etc.

Wed have our guard rotation set with Dame, Ant, Hart, plus a (hopefully re-signed) Nurkic, Little, and Nance, while we'd have a bunch of assets to throw around in order to add to that.

That makes the most sense to me.
 
BonesJones said:
I'm moving the goalposts? This was literally my first reply to you:

We're not getting a legit forward for CJ that's good enough to get us where we need to go it makes more sense to stockpile picks, tank the rest of the year for a good draft pick, then hope that a legitimate forward becomes available in the off-season that we can cash in on. It's easy to create big TPEs for us with New Orleans and they make the most sense for CJ and would probably give up the most. They'd have to trade Hart to match. So at that point, cash in RoCo and Norm to other teams for picks. Then we could potentially sell a team on up to five or six 1sts (one of which could be top 10) as well as Nas for any one of Jaylen Brown, Siakam, Anunoby, Collins, Simmons (if Philly strikes out on Harden, if they don't want picks you can try to swing a 3-team deal), etc.

Wed have our guard rotation set with Dame, Ant, Hart, plus a (hopefully re-signed) Nurkic, Little, and Nance, while we'd have a bunch of assets to throw around in order to add to that.

That makes the most sense to me.
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In part of “moving the goalposts” you switched the focus from next year, onto this year, but I wasn’t very clear about that until my “final answer” section. That’s on me, my bad.

Anyhow, I don’t entirely disagree. What I disagreed with was the notion that Dame and Simons would play 48 minutes a game if we didn’t trade for more guards.
 
Scalma said:
randle should never play center probably not even in a small ball lineup. he’s a power forward that would fit well with Nurk. I think he just needs a vet like Dame to keep him in check. Dunno what it would take to get him (wouldn’t give up anyone outside powell or maybe CJ) but I like the idea.
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Then your center better be able to shoot because Julius can't.
 
Public pressure is mounting on Morey and the Sixers ownership. How dare you waste an MVP season from Embiid for a wild goose chase in the off-season.

Trade Simmons now. Let's hope it happens. CJ and Covington. Let's go!
 
AmirIcon said:
Then your center better be able to shoot because Julius can't.
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he shot over 40% from outside last season on high volume. He’s also an above average free throw shooter. His percentages are hurt because he takes too many pull ups. He’s decent enough as a set shooter. Besides it’s a flawed theory that the only way to space is by having a bunch of shooters on the court. As long as guys can pass, the spacing will be there. Randle is a plus plus passer for a big.
 
ok...I'm going to try my hand at 'roster-reset', so people can take shots at me (as if you don't already) instead of the other way around

I'm going for trade ideas that going by rumors, might have a little traction. I'm also not going for the gagillionth version of Ben to Portland or Grant (yuck) to Portland. I'm also not going to push back against the way-overboard hype around here about Simons

trade 1 (based upon a CBA assumption I might have wrong):

* RoCo to Chicago for Derrick Jones and Portland's 1st back, all obligations lifted

(assuming Portland can trade for Jones now. I know they couldn't re-sign him for a year after trading him away. Also assumes that the Bulls would view RoCo as valuable enough to their playoff hopes to give back a 1st)

note: this reduces Portland's payroll by 3.2M

Trade 2:

Norm + Nance + Portland's 2023 first, top-4 protected for John Collins

(lots of assumptions here, starting with the rumor that Atlanta wants a starter and a 1st. This gives them that while also preserving Portland's 2022 which may very well be a lottery pick. Hawks get a guard that would fit well with Young as well as Nance plugging part of the hole by the departure of Collins.)

note: this reduces Portland's payroll by 4.1M

Trade 3:

version 1: CJ to new Orleans for Josh Hart & Valunciunas (a minimal trade that the Pels may or may not makes depending on how much they value Valunciunas)

version 2: CJ for Hart + Satoransky + Hernangomez + future 2nd (assumes the Pels value Val more than Hernangomez, which they may not. I asked for a future 2nd but maybe the Blazers can squeeze a 1st out of this one)

version 3: CJ for Hart + Val + Herbert Jones (probably asking for too much? basing this one on the high opinions several posters here have of Jones. If he's 'that' good, maybe the Blazers are the ones that need to add a future pick?)

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PG: Dame-Ant-Smith-(Satoransky-Elleby?)
SG: Ant-Hart-McLemore-(Satoransky-Elleby?)
SF: Hart-Collins-H.Jones-D.Jones-Elleby-(Little)
PF: Collins-Jones-Watford-(Brown)
C: Nurkic-Valunciunas/Hernangomez-Watford

some obvious holes but this season doesn't really matter. Depending on which version of the Pels trade, the Blazers have taken 10-12M off of their payroll. That means they could use the balance of their full-MLE on the waiver wire or buy-out candidates after the trade deadline without worrying about being hard-capped

but this offers the Blazers many options in the off-season and next season. For damn sure a lot more options and flexibility than the shit-show-boxed-in-roster olshey left in his wake

yeah, I know TLDR
 
Scalma said:
he shot over 40% from outside last season on high volume. He’s also an above average free throw shooter. His percentages are hurt because he takes too many pull ups. He’s decent enough as a set shooter. Besides it’s a flawed theory that the only way to space is by having a bunch of shooters on the court. As long as guys can pass, the spacing will be there. Randle is a plus plus passer for a big.
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This year his shooting has been abysmal. I have a friend who is a Knicks fan and he wants him gone.
 
Fez Forthright said:


Vin is full of beans
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I would do this. I think the Sixers would then want to make another deal and probably move Seth or Maxey for help on the wing or they would flip CJ for whatever made sense for them from the Pelicans. For us this gets us a star that fits well with Dame but should also set off a number of additional trades for us that happen now and help this roster make more sense.
 
blazerkor said:
I would do this. I think the Sixers would then want to make another deal and probably move Seth or Maxey for help on the wing or they would flip CJ for whatever made sense for them from the Pelicans. For us this gets us a star that fits well with Dame but should also set off a number of additional trades for us that happen now and help this roster make more sense.
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Simons is untouchable for me. Kid is 22 and is showing signs of being a star, those are hard to find.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Simons is untouchable for me. Kid is 22 and is showing signs of being a star, those are hard to find.
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Same. Plus a 3 headed backcourt of Dame, Ben, and Simons would be unbelievable. Ben wouldn't need to be the primarily ball handler in the half court offense ever, there'd be tons of spacing for him, and he wouldn't have to shift up to play PF or C as long as we had some decent shooters at 3/4.
 
BigGameDamian said:
If we get Valunciunas we’re going to have to trade Nurk.
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why?

Val is very good offensively and on a tradeable contract over the next 2 seasons. One would probably have to go if Nurk was-re-signed, but it could be Val and it could be sometime in the off-season.

now, if a team ponies up good assets for Nurkic before the trade deadline, then sure, trade Nurk, especially if the Blazers have landed Val
 
boredinsalem said:
Same. Plus a 3 headed backcourt of Dame, Ben, and Simons would be unbelievable. Ben wouldn't need to be the primarily ball handler in the half court offense ever, there'd be tons of spacing for him, and he wouldn't have to shift up to play PF or C as long as we had some decent shooters at 3/4.
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If this is the vision, there are guys like Hachimura who can probably be had right now who would be great with Simmons on both sides of the ball. I’ve heard Wizards think he can be elite defensively. Not sure I believe in his defense that much but he certainly has the atheltic gifts to pair really well with Simmons. Bamba and Smith will both be available in FA as C options

Dame/Simons/Simmons/Hachimura/Bamba
Nas will be back and could replace Hachimura and move Simmons to PF if that ever proved to be a better lineup.
 
riverman said:
I just think somewhere in an office Dame and Chauncey and Joe are putting together a contending roster board and it's a group effort. I don't think we're going to see a high risk gamble in the trade market on the Blazers side...I think they're working on this day in day out and it'll land in a better place. Chauncey now pretty much knows where the holes are in the roster and whether they're correctable or not.
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I’m not sure how they could put together a contending roster while not taking a high risk on a trade.
 
riverman said:
It's sort of a debatable thing "high risk" ...what someone might think is high risk might not be to another GM...depends on how you vet players....let's say Pau Gasol and Festus Ezili were rolling the dice signings....some might say risky signings. Zach Collins was a risky signing for the Spurs...Nas' trade value is getting riskier and riskier probably on the market. Russell Westbrook is risky....and actually Ben Simmons is really risky...for that reason he's not high on my wish list.
Julius Randle is risky to me as well although I really wanted him when he was in New Orleans.
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I don't understand what's risky about a guy in Simmons who was just runner up DPOY, put up the numbers he did while placating a ball hogging egotist superstar (Embiid) and setting up a good teammate a lot (Harris). He was the second best player on the team with the best record in the Eastern Conference. He had one bad series, his name was bandied about in trade talks for the second straight early off season, that egotist superstar teammate of his talked shit, he didn't seem to have a good relationship with his coach and he demanded a trade and that's the first time in his 5 years in the league that we've heard about him being anything but a solid teammate.

Morey is the one who is doing the unprecedented thing of letting an all nba player sit without getting any return for him. I think it's pretty obvious that he would come here, Dame would do nothing but talk him up like he does every one of his teammates without fail, Chauncey would embrace all of the great things he does and just ask him to work on the stuff he needs to work on and we would see the best Ben Simmons that anyone has seen which would be a far better player than Dame has ever played with before.

I guess because he's had one playoff series where he completely laid an egg when it came to scoring but dominated every other part of his role, there is some risk but it's a completely hedged bet because at worst we get a DPOY level guy on one end who can facilitate at an elite level on the other end. The very most we would have to pay for that is CJ (RoCo to the Bulls for our pick back and matching salaries) and first rounders in 23, 25 and 27 along with pick swaps in 24, 26 and 28. That's the very most and would be us just telling Morey he can have what his opening offer was, which I can't imagine would be what it would take. We don't need a bunch of first round picks for the next six seasons if we're sticking with Dame but we sure could use an all nba player.

So I think very easily we can have Ben Simmons if we want him and it would make our team so much better that the pick swaps if they were necessary would be negligible. I also think we could get Jaylen Brown because the Celtics need change and Ant, Norm and Larry would be very hard to turn down for Brown and filler roster spots. Regardless of what happens besides that, having Dame, Brown and Simmons guaranteed on the same team for the next two seasons after this one automatically makes us a contender. They would definitely be joined by Nas, GB3, a first round pick and a second round pick for next season as well.
 
riverman said:
Nothing is that simple......Joe Cronin has been around that world for 15 years straight...go back and listen to his interview when he became interim....he has a coach who was on a championship roster without big stars but great chemistry and a solid system....Chauncey didn't win in Detroit with MJ or Duncan...he won with Sheed and a Ben Wallace the size of Roco...a skinny Tayshawn Prince and a volume shooter shot creator in Rip with a pesky Linsdsay Hunter as the 6 man.....contended for several years with one ring and several conf banners...shit happens..I'm hoping we get a roster like that that can rock the house together.
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Pretty sure you just listed 4 all stars.
 
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