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Dying?

why are we so hellbent on dumping CJ's contract now?

This is where I'm at too. If we get a good enough offer for CJ, great, the writing is clearly on the wall that its best for everyone if we move him. But the rumored package with NOLA is fairly underwhelming in my mind... Barring another significant injury, it doesn't feel like his value is going anywhere between now and the draft, might as well hold to up your leverage until you get what you deem is good value...
 
God damn I know it's only 68 people before me that voted but 86% want the Pelicans to trade for CJ. The NOLA fans want it, reportedly the Pelicans front office wants it and I'm pretty sure we're all dying for it to happen.

except that the yes votes are coming from Blazer fans long sick of CJ
 
This is where I'm at too. If we get a good enough offer for CJ, great, the writing is clearly on the wall that its best for everyone if we move him. But the rumored package with NOLA is fairly underwhelming in my mind... Barring another significant injury, it doesn't feel like his value is going anywhere between now and the draft, might as well hold to up your leverage until you get what you deem is good value...
we have exactly 0 reasons to simply gift CJ to NO in a salary dump. It's not like his stats and production are going to drastically worsen our draft position and it's very likely that more teams will want him in the summer after playoff flameouts, etc. He eventually has to go for our rebuild, but it doesn't have to be in two weeks.

Unless we get a package of a prospect + pick, or a borderline all star wing, or a Siakam/Simmons type, I'm perfectly happy keeping CJ thru the season.
 
we have exactly 0 reasons to simply gift CJ to NO in a salary dump. It's not like his stats and production are going to drastically worsen our draft position and it's very likely that more teams will want him in the summer after playoff flameouts, etc. He eventually has to go for our rebuild, but it doesn't have to be in two weeks.

Unless we get a package of a prospect + pick, or a borderline all star wing, or a Siakam/Simmons type, I'm perfectly happy keeping CJ thru the season.

Exactly. My only fear is ownership running this team like a business and not trying to win a championship. Maybe they haven't sold because Covid has depressed franchise value a touch, or some other reason, but that's one thought that worries me. If that's the case, that they're simply looking at profits, I can see a case to dump CJ's contract. But still... yuck.
 
Exactly. My only fear is ownership running this team like a business and not trying to win a championship. Maybe they haven't sold because Covid has depressed franchise value a touch, or some other reason, but that's one thought that worries me. If that's the case, that they're simply looking at profits, I can see a case to dump CJ's contract. But still... yuck.
nah, the only reason Jody has yet to sell is because she's waiting for the valuations to go up after the new TV deal kicks in in 2025. Some early estimates figured the number could be 3x the deal the signed in 2016.
 
nah, the only reason Jody has yet to sell is because she's waiting for the valuations to go up after the new TV deal kicks in 2025. Some early estimates figured the number could be 3x the deal the signed in 2016.

Makes total sense. I've been completely out of the loop on that whole thing, so that's reassuring. I guess it'd be nice to see some amount of activity from the leadership group that suggests we have interest in winning, though. Perhaps the deadline is that chance...
 
Dying?

why are we so hellbent on dumping CJ's contract now?
CJ and Ant are redundant just like CJ and Dame but they're obviously not as good individually so when they are less than the sum of there parts it will win even less games. That being said CJ is still great at getting buckets and when he wants to facilitating. He will still contribute to enough wins to screw us out of a decent pick but definitely won't get us enough wins to get us out of purgatory.

I'm dying to see him moved either for a piece that will actually make sense with Dame, who can start to get the hang of Chauncey's system while Dame heals up or for assets that will allow us both to tank and make trades in the off season that make this roster more cohesive and ultimately better. I'm dying for CJ to be traded because every trade deadline and every draft for the last 5 or so years I've been hoping Neil would come to his senses and now that we have a new guy I need him to show that he gets it right away because otherwise I might start believing that Quick was right about what Nurk said and Cronin really is still planning on building around Dame, CJ and Nurk.
 
That being said CJ is still great at getting buckets and when he wants to facilitating. He will still contribute to enough wins to screw us out of a decent pick but definitely won't get us enough wins to get us out of purgatory.
First of all, his production has rarely translated to wins. He has shot above 50% while averaging 24 ppg the last 4 games, and we have won 1 of them. He is the master of inconsequential 30 point games.

Second of all, the difference between the 9th worst record and the 7th worst record is not as substantial as it used to be in the lottery (see below). And in this draft, I'm comfortable in tiering prospects #3-10 all in the same bin.

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Third of all, why the hell would you accept 50 cents on the dollar from a team you will be competing with in future years?
 

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First of all, his production has rarely translated to wins. He has shot above 50% while averaging 24 ppg the last 4 games, and we have won 1 of them. He is the master of inconsequential 30 point games.

Second of all, the difference between the 9th worst record and the 7th worst record is not as substantial as it used to be in the lottery (see below). And in this draft, I'm comfortable in tiering prospects #3-10 all in the same bin.

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Third of all, why the hell would you accept 50 cents on the dollar from a team you will be competing with in future years?
I'm not looking for 50 cents on the dollar (unless that means a collaboration between Curtis Jackson and Dame on his next album because I'm all for that). I want NOLA to have to pay top dollar for CJ since they are reportedly the team approaching us and in need of CJ's services. Reports say that they see CJ as the missing piece to lead Zion and Ingram. So I don't know what package you think they're trying to rip us off with but all I have seen are trade ideas not trade package rumors.

Truly I think you know I want RoCo sent to Chicago, a Bulls min contract player and our pick sent back to us and DJJ sent to Philly. I want CJ and whatever draft capital it takes sent to Philly along with DJJ while Simmons and Milton are sent to us. I don't think that's leaving money on the table and I don't think it would be impossible or even hard for Cronin to pull off. Any trade idea when looked at is unlikely to happen but that's what I'd ideally like to see happen.

Again, I don't want to sell low on CJ but I don't think his value is low right now, I don't think his value is actually going to go up or down at all between now and next season. I will say again though that him being traded now would put my mind at ease that we aren't going to be stuck with Dame/CJ for the rest of their careers. You say the writing is on the wall but I haven't seen anything that tells me for sure that the front office wants CJ gone and understands that Dame and him are a horrible combination. So yeah I want him gone for a fare price and don't think that should be so hard for Cronin to pull off.
 
I'm totally on the "trade CJ" bandwagon...... I'm pretty sure I have been captaining that ship since the beginning, but I don't want to dump him just for the sake of dumping him. He's still a good player.
 
Getting rid of CJ abd his contract is addition by subtraction

On the Blazers, I believe that is the case. If there weren't so much duplication, it would be fine. But for some reason, Neil decided to get every 6'3", score first guard he could possibly lay his hands on.

Dame - $40M
CJ - $30M
Norm - $16M
Ant - due for a LARGE raise
Mac -
....and add DSJ who isn't shoot first, but certainly fits the size perimeters.

What a joke of a GM.
 
On the Blazers, I believe that is the case. If there weren't so much duplication, it would be fine. But for some reason, Neil decided to get every 6'3", score first guard he could possibly lay his hands on.

Dame - $40M
CJ - $30M
Norm - $16M
Ant - due for a LARGE raise
Mac -
....and add DSJ who isn't shoot first, but certainly fits the size perimeters.

What a joke of a GM.

Neil had a "type."

Some like blondes.

Some like brunettes.

Neil like's short chuckers.
 
This is where I'm at too. If we get a good enough offer for CJ, great, the writing is clearly on the wall that its best for everyone if we move him. But the rumored package with NOLA is fairly underwhelming in my mind... Barring another significant injury, it doesn't feel like his value is going anywhere between now and the draft, might as well hold to up your leverage until you get what you deem is good value...
CJ is not getting any younger.
 
It seems to be a good team to trade CJ; there are at least a couple teams that need someone like him bad.
 
I'm definitely ready for CJ to be dealt, but Rubio and a first definitely sounds like too little.

yeah a two way swap wouldnt really interest me, but they could get creative and include a third team. For example if they expanded it to include the Pistons. They can send CJ to Cleveland and Powell to Detroit. Get back Grant, Okoro, and a pick. Something like that.
 
Neil had a "type."

Some like blondes.

Some like brunettes.

Neil like's short chuckers.

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Gimme:
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To understand the impact Kenrich Williams has for his team, let’s simply take a look at how the Thunder have played when he is on the court. Oklahoma City has been outscored by 7.3 points per 100 possessions so far this season, which ranks as the second-worst mark in the Western Conference.

However, when Williams appears, Oklahoma City has actually outscored opponents by 1.94 points per 100. Their defense allows 12.6 fewer points per 100 possessions when he is playing relative to when he is not, the team forces turnovers significantly more often when he’s not compared to when he isn’t, and opponents are also shooting marginally worse both at the rim and on 3-pointers when he is on the floor.

Williams has shown he can guard the ball handler or the big man when defending the pick and roll and he is an excellent hustle player, too, which can help a team significantly down the stretch.

Among those who have logged as many minutes as he has so far this season, only two players (Kyle Lowry and Garrison Mathews) have taken more charges per 36 minutes. He is also the type of player who will never let a possession die, gladly doing whatever it takes to record more and more offensive rebounds to help give his team second-chance opportunities:



Meanwhile, for the second season in a row, according to Cleaning The Glass, Williams’ assist percentage ranks in the 80th percentile or better among forwards. For the third season in a row, meanwhile, his assist-to-usage ratio (which measures how often a player gets an assist relative to how often he had the ball) ranks in the 90th percentile or better among players at his position.

This suggests Williams is the kind of low-usage player who can slot in well to a lineup without needing the ball while still having a positive impact on the game.
 
Trent Jr. is on some kinda tear recently, and that's just the offense. I am happy for him and the fact that he is not stuck on the bench behind CJ. WTF did Portland trade him for another guard. Just another Neil Oshley classic...:pokecrap:

I wholeheartedly believe next years starting 5 will be Dame, Ant, CJ, Nas, and Nurk.
 
I want CJ gone. He needs to be gone. Portland needs him gone

but Rubio and a 20th +/- pick isn't nearly enough. That wouldn't work anyway. Now if it was CJ for Cleveland's pick + Osman with Rubio's expiring contract shipped to a 3rd team that needs some cap relief, next season, and that team sends a decent player to Portland PLUS a pick, then maybe. Of course, I have no idea if there is any situation like that around the NBA
 
Trent Jr. is on some kinda tear recently, and that's just the offense. I am happy for him and the fact that he is not stuck on the bench behind CJ. WTF did Portland trade him for another guard. Just another Neil Oshley classic...:pokecrap:

I wholeheartedly believe next years starting 5 will be Dame, Ant, CJ, Nas, and Nurk.

The Trent trade was a huge L. He would be perfect next to Dame. Hopefully Cronin is smarter.
 
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