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boredinsalem said:
I think Okoro would be a perfect backcourt fit for Simons. He'd bring size, toughness, and defense, and his shooting is improving. I've gotten roasted for it multiple times, but I think a trade of Roco/McCollum for Love/Okoro/Ed Davis would be a good trade for both teams (and keep both under the tax). I'd want to follow it up with a Powell trade, but we wouldn't have to this year.

Lillard/Simons
Powell/Simons/Okoro
Little/Okoro
Love/Nance/Little
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That squad wouldn’t win anything this year or next year. Simons has now pretty much matched Powell statistically with a bigger upside, so the roster already doesn’t make sense. I like Okoro, but trading for Love’s contract basically says you think CJ’s value is equal to Love. If Love was shipped to a third team and we got draft capital back, I’d be more interested. Otherwise, yeah…I mean I can’t say that doesn’t deserve to get roasted lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
BankTeller said:
Turrible Damian, just turrible.
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I think the trade is fine but I wouldn't want Smart. If he could be routed to a 3rd team and the Blazers got Richardson, two 1sts, and 50M in cap savings I think that's decent (Celts can keep Nesmith). I really don't think CJ would bring back much better in a trade, but the Blazers would need to explore other options before this one
 
BankTeller said:
That squad wouldn’t win anything this year or next year. Simons has now pretty much matched Powell statistically with a bigger upside, so the roster already doesn’t make sense. I like Okoro, but trading for Love’s contract basically says you think CJ’s value is equal to Love. If Love was shipped to a third team and we got draft capital back, I’d be more interested. Otherwise, yeah…I mean I can’t say that doesn’t deserve to get roasted lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Yeah, the idea would be to move off of Powell, who has trade value, for an athletic 3, 4, or 5. Even without that move, the roster is bigger, more athletic, and has more upside and less cap commitment than the current roster. All seems like steps on the right direction.

As far as value, I think that Okoro >> Roco and CJ > Love (given that both have terrible contracts but Love is an expiring next year).
 
BankTeller said:
Is everyone that’s suggesting Marcus Smart not worried about his shooting? And it’s not like he not trying either, he shoots 4.7 3’s a game at a 30% clip. He hasn’t touched 40% fg in the last three years either. He’s a good defender but he’s 6’3 so you couldn’t start him. And it doesn’t make sense to pay between $16-21m a year over the next four years for essentially a one-dimensional bench player.

Hard pass for me, personally.
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His shooting is not good, but it's not Russ level bad, and he takes way more shots when star players are out. He is strong as hell so he benefits switching lineups when put at the point of attack, he equips star guards to play great by masking their weaknesses, and he handles/passes well enough to break doubles on Dame or Simons and get bigs easy buckets much better than CJ or Norm.

I think he's good at every dimension other than shooting. If shooting solves all, we should probably throw $20M at Mclemore.
 
BankTeller said:
Is everyone that’s suggesting Marcus Smart not worried about his shooting? And it’s not like he not trying either, he shoots 4.7 3’s a game at a 30% clip. He hasn’t touched 40% fg in the last three years either. He’s a good defender but he’s 6’3 so you couldn’t start him. And it doesn’t make sense to pay between $16-21m a year over the next four years for essentially a one-dimensional bench player.

Hard pass for me, personally.
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Not a Smart fan poor shooter and horrible shot selection. Worst part is he thinks he’s a scorer. Hard pass
 
boredinsalem said:
His shooting is not good, but it's not Russ level bad, and he takes way more shots when star players are out. He is strong as hell so he benefits switching lineups when put at the point of attack, he equips star guards to play great by masking their weaknesses, and he handles/passes well enough to break doubles on Dame or Simons and get bigs easy buckets much better than CJ or Norm.

I think he's good at every dimension other than shooting. If shooting solves all, we should probably throw $20M at Mclemore.
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Lol throwing out hyperbole like the McLemore take doesn’t help your point. He’s still 6’3. Going from a 3 guard lineup from Dame/CJ/Powell to Dame/Simons/Smart is no better.

What’s Russ level bad when it comes to shooting? Smart only shoots 1% higher than Russ from 3. Russ actually also shoots 43.8% fg this year and Smart shoots 39.2%. Career averages aren’t much different. Are you just saying Smart isn’t Russ level bad because he doesn’t make Russ level money? Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather have Smart. But in an ideal world, I’d have neither. Considering Smart at $10m a year as your lead guard off the bench would be different than Smart at an average of $18m a year as an undersized SF.
 
boredinsalem said:
Yeah, the idea would be to move off of Powell, who has trade value, for an athletic 3, 4, or 5. Even without that move, the roster is bigger, more athletic, and has more upside and less cap commitment than the current roster. All seems like steps on the right direction.

As far as value, I think that Okoro >> Roco and CJ > Love (given that both have terrible contracts but Love is an expiring next year).
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Okoro wouldn’t even be >> RoCo for us right now. He can certainly develop into being that, but he isn’t now. Is Okoro >> Ivey, Davis, Mathurin, and all the other guards in the mid lotto? Because if we don’t suck enough to get a top 3 pick, why not just trade CJ for a better return than Love and draft a young guard with that pick? Okoro’s 6’5, it’s not even like he’s a big guard.

Unfortunately, going from Covington to Love isn’t getting much bigger. Idk man, that’s a tough sell, especially if you can get a better return. The trade idea is a little short-sighted for me. A Love/Nurkic frontcourt will not take pressure off a Dame/Ant backcourt defensively. I for one just don’t love Okoro enough to make that deal, but there might be the difference in opinion.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://fadeawayworld.net/.amp/nba-...mart-josh-richardson-aaron-nesmith-and-a-pick

NBA Rumors: Boston Celtics Could Acquire CJ McCollum For Marcus Smart, Josh Richardson, Aaron Nesmith, And A Pick
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To me this trade don't make since your giving one guard and taking back 2 guards and one small forward. Due we loaded at guards position. Richardson having ba down year but can play 2 guard and smart who are going sit to play him I guess backup point guard so really only one I really like out of the 3 is Nesmith.
 
BankTeller said:
Okoro wouldn’t even be >> RoCo for us right now. He can certainly develop into being that, but he isn’t now. Is Okoro >> Ivey, Davis, Mathurin, and all the other guards in the mid lotto? Because if we don’t suck enough to get a top 3 pick, why not just trade CJ for a better return than Love and draft a young guard with that pick? Okoro’s 6’5, it’s not even like he’s a big guard.
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He's got 25 pounds on CJ. What do you consider a big, physical guard? Purely on height listings from the combine? His point of attack defense is already top 15 in the league and we probably have no one in the top 50 right now. I think he fits Dame's window much better than a mid-lotto guard.
 
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boredinsalem said:
He's got 25 pounds on CJ. What do you consider a big, physical guard? Purely on height listings from the combine? His point of attack defense is already top 15 in the league and we probably have no one in the top 50 right now. I think he fits Dame's window much better than a mid-lotto guard.
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What makes you think Okoro will fit Dame’s window better than Ivey, Davis, Mathurin, etc? He’s only 1-2 years older than them and has the same amount of playoff experience lol.

We don’t need to look at adding a guard, we need a forward at least 6’7. If Okoro was a couple inches taller, I’d think about it. But we already have to develop Little. I’d rather try to develop Little into being a big guard than swap CJ and Love’s salaries just for Okoro. CJ and Covington have to bring back guys that we can peg for the future that are taller than 6’5. We need to find at least one big starting forward before we think about a guard off the bench.

The Cavs are trying to compete now. If you really want Okoro, you can see if you can get Okoro + a 2nd for Covington or Powell. I would have no interest in taking on Love’s contract. You can trade CJ and get at least a 1st and some salaries and young guys. Cavs still can’t get anything for Love.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Unless maybe it’s Marcus Smart?
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I’ve been trying to be nicer lately, but Marcus smart is one of the dumbest trade ideas I’ve ever seen on this forum and that’s putting it nicely.

Abandoning a scoring guard for a guard that can’t fucking shoot is dumb as fuck. Remember Ben Simmons refusing to shoot? That’s Marcus Smart. But instead of refusing to shoot… he launches a bunch of bricks.

Teams would literally triple fucking team Dame and let Smart shoot a bunch of airballs.

At any rate, trading guards for more guards doesn’t fix our abundance of guards issue. We need height, length and athleticism in the front court.
 
BankTeller said:
Is everyone that’s suggesting Marcus Smart not worried about his shooting? And it’s not like he not trying either, he shoots 4.7 3’s a game at a 30% clip. He hasn’t touched 40% fg in the last three years either. He’s a good defender but he’s 6’3 so you couldn’t start him. And it doesn’t make sense to pay between $16-21m a year over the next four years for essentially a one-dimensional bench player.

Hard pass for me, personally.
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should’ve read this before I responded, but pretty much this…

In addition to the fact that we need front court players
 
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For this one we would keep our pick for this season and trade our 23', 25' and 27' first rounders all top 4 protected.
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We end up with a rotation of Ant, Nas, DFS, Simmons, KP, Shake, Watford, Brown, BennyMac, Snell until Dame gets back. I think this team makes the playoffs and Dame plays and we contend.
 
blazerkor said:
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For this one we would keep our pick for this season and trade our 23', 25' and 27' first rounders all top 4 protected.
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We end up with a rotation of Ant, Nas, DFS, Simmons, KP, Shake, Watford, Brown, BennyMac, Snell until Dame gets back. I think this team makes the playoffs and Dame plays and we contend.
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I take out one of the FRDPs, but other than that, I like it.
 
TBpup said:
I take out one of the FRDPs, but other than that, I like it.
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Yeah, of course I would like to just give them two and that wouldn't be our initial offer but I would include that third pick if needed.
 
blazerkor said:
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For this one we would keep our pick for this season and trade our 23', 25' and 27' first rounders all top 4 protected.
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We end up with a rotation of Ant, Nas, DFS, Simmons, KP, Shake, Watford, Brown, BennyMac, Snell until Dame gets back. I think this team makes the playoffs and Dame plays and we contend.
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CJ
Nance
Nurk
Covington
Powell

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KP
Simmons
Shake
DFS
Moses Brown

I think I’d probably do it
 
Predator said:
Any trade that involves us receiving another fucking guard is a HELL NO from me
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If we trade Norm and CJ we would need a 3rd guard. Sounds like New Orleans is the most likely spot for CJ with picks + Hart being the most likely package. Hart would be a really good fit as a 3rd guard behind Dame and Ant. Would then use the picks with other assets that we got from Norm and RoCo trades to try to upgrade the frontcourt, most likely in the offseason.
 
Fischer brings up New Orleans for CJ again, but I don’t see any package that would work straight up. We don’t need another guard (Hart) unless Powell is getting moved too. One thing they could do is find an expiring that fits into their TPE and attach that contract to Satoransky and Herb Jones. Someone like Taurean Prince for example. Minnesota doesn’t need him and he can be salary filler. We add a minimum guy as filler and it gets us under the tax too.

Is Herb Jones enough for CJ? Idk, they might have to attach a pick, but I would do it either way. Maybe I’m just overvaluing Jones though but he’d be a perfect fit. And it’d free up a ton of money.
 
BonesJones said:
If we trade Norm and CJ we would need a 3rd guard. Sounds like New Orleans is the most likely spot for CJ with picks + Hart being the most likely package. Hart would be a really good fit as a 3rd guard behind Dame and Ant. Would then use the picks with other assets that we got from Norm and RoCo trades to try to upgrade the frontcourt, most likely in the offseason.
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As I said, hell no.
 
Last night, Danny Marang on the Jacked Ramsey's podcast went into more detail of what he has been talking about for a while in terms of a possible CJ trade with New Orleans.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya7yr8vz

Josh Hart - $12M for 3 years...13.5/7.6/4.2 this season
Satoransky - $10M ending contract
Jaxson Hayes - $5.3M through next season...career .633 FG%

There are a couple of items here of interest. First, $3,515,918. That is the difference between the players coming in and CJ going out. That is very much a Jody-approved, Vulcan-likey number as it would put the Blazer just under the Luxury Tax by $509,760 and turns the Blazers into a team GETTING money versus PAYING money and keeps them out of the Repeater Tax penalty range.

Marang also suggested a couple of picks, which New Orleans has in abundance due to multiple picks and/or swaps coming from the Lakers and Bucks for the Davis and Holiday deals.

That is all well and good from a rebuilding Draft capital, getting under the Lux Tax, and finally decluttering out backcourt a bit although with Hart coming in, that doesn't really declutter, but does open up some shots for other people. Plus, Hart adds a little more size.

Satoransky is just filler on an ending contract which also helps out the Blazers who need to pay And and possibly Nurk.

It's the Jaxon Hayes part that makes me wonder how that would go. He has 12 misdemeanor counts hanging over his head from a domestic complaint/arrest incident. Given the fervor Billups hiring was met with, what would be the ramifications of bringing on Hayes even though as of now, they are just charges. Some of his Draft profiles compared him to Jarrett Allen, which would be something the Blazers could definitely use.

I'm just curious as to the Board's thoughts if something like that were to take place.
 
TBpup said:
Last night, Danny Marang on the Jacked Ramsey's podcast went into more detail of what he has been talking about for a while in terms of a possible CJ trade with New Orleans.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya7yr8vz

Josh Hart - $12M for 3 years...13.5/7.6/4.2 this season
Satoransky - $10M ending contract
Jaxson Hayes - $5.3M through next season...career .633 FG%

There are a couple of items here of interest. First, $3,515,918. That is the difference between the players coming in and CJ going out. That is very much a Jody-approved, Vulcan-likey number as it would put the Blazer just under the Luxury Tax by $509,760 and turns the Blazers into a team GETTING money versus PAYING money and keeps them out of the Repeater Tax penalty range.

Marang also suggested a couple of picks, which New Orleans has in abundance due to multiple picks and/or swaps coming from the Lakers and Bucks for the Davis and Holiday deals.

That is all well and good from a rebuilding Draft capital, getting under the Lux Tax, and finally decluttering out backcourt a bit although with Hart coming in, that doesn't really declutter, but does open up some shots for other people. Plus, Hart adds a little more size.

Satoransky is just filler on an ending contract which also helps out the Blazers who need to pay And and possibly Nurk.

It's the Jaxon Hayes part that makes me wonder how that would go. He has 12 misdemeanor counts hanging over his head from a domestic complaint/arrest incident. Given the fervor Billups hiring was met with, what would be the ramifications of bringing on Hayes even though as of now, they are just charges. Some of his Draft profiles compared him to Jarrett Allen, which would be something the Blazers could definitely use.

I'm just curious as to the Board's thoughts if something like that were to take place.
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I hate that deal. If we’re dealing with the pelicans, any deal not involving Herb Jones is a non starter for me. We can find better partners if they won’t include him. And if Josh Hart is the best piece we can get for CJ, I’d rather just keep him.

No interest in Hayes either. I don’t view him as much of an asset and he seems like a clown off the court.
 
TBpup said:
Last night, Danny Marang on the Jacked Ramsey's podcast went into more detail of what he has been talking about for a while in terms of a possible CJ trade with New Orleans.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya7yr8vz

Josh Hart - $12M for 3 years...13.5/7.6/4.2 this season
Satoransky - $10M ending contract
Jaxson Hayes - $5.3M through next season...career .633 FG%

There are a couple of items here of interest. First, $3,515,918. That is the difference between the players coming in and CJ going out. That is very much a Jody-approved, Vulcan-likey number as it would put the Blazer just under the Luxury Tax by $509,760 and turns the Blazers into a team GETTING money versus PAYING money and keeps them out of the Repeater Tax penalty range.

Marang also suggested a couple of picks, which New Orleans has in abundance due to multiple picks and/or swaps coming from the Lakers and Bucks for the Davis and Holiday deals.

That is all well and good from a rebuilding Draft capital, getting under the Lux Tax, and finally decluttering out backcourt a bit although with Hart coming in, that doesn't really declutter, but does open up some shots for other people. Plus, Hart adds a little more size.

Satoransky is just filler on an ending contract which also helps out the Blazers who need to pay And and possibly Nurk.

It's the Jaxon Hayes part that makes me wonder how that would go. He has 12 misdemeanor counts hanging over his head from a domestic complaint/arrest incident. Given the fervor Billups hiring was met with, what would be the ramifications of bringing on Hayes even though as of now, they are just charges. Some of his Draft profiles compared him to Jarrett Allen, which would be something the Blazers could definitely use.

I'm just curious as to the Board's thoughts if something like that were to take place.
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Because of the iffy Hayes stuff, we could always attempt it with trey Murphy in the deal instead.
 
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