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Natebishop3 said:
I mean........ if you're on the "Build around Dame" train, I would think the goals should be:

1. Keep Dame Happy
2. Trade current assets for assets that help keep Dame happy
3. Trade for assets that can put us in a position to contend NEXT YEAR.

Saving money shouldn't even be on the list.... or it should be very far down the list. How could shedding salary even remotely help put us in a position to contend next year?
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I guess the team isn't working off my list of priorities... :sigh:
 
Scalma said:
The winner of a trade immediately after it happens is all that matters lol get a grip.

open up full MLE

clear up the surplus (If Bledsoe stays he’s not gonna be stealing anyone’s minutes, and will be a large expiring to play with in the offseason)

get a young prospect, Johnson was pretty well thought of just a year ago especially defensively, and Billups has shown to be good with guards.

Winslow is another plus defender that can play the 3/4, I’ve always had a thing for him because of his playmaking/defensive attributes. This has Billups written all over him as well.

I think we could’ve gotten a first and will miss RoCo. But Powell had to go and this move also clears up long term money.

Would not be surprised if McCollum was next.
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Both good defenders but neither can shoot a three for shit.
 
Scalma said:
Woj says Portland will continue to be active and has “more moves to make”
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Is more moves to make quoted because there will be more like today's "move"
 
Looks like Harden for Simmons will happen, IMO this is huge mistake for 76’s, Harden has give a shit attitude on court.
 
From Johnson's draft profile: Johnson will need some time to refine his ball-handling, shooting and play-making skills but his elite athleticism and rock solid frame give him a nice NBA ceiling.
At this point he drives the ball mostly to the right but he does so effectively and with a lot of success. He’s got great burst into the lane and explodes above the rim.

In some ways he plays like a young Ron Artest, being physical in the paint, rebounding the heck out the ball and also initiating the offense as a point forward. Another player Johnson reminds me of is Jaylen Brown, with his physical driving style and high end athleticism. It’s too early to say if he’ll be as good as those two players but the tools are there.

At this point outside shooting isn’t a strength but his shot certainly isn’t broken and will surely improve over the course of his career. He’s a slasher and a hustle player who doesn’t need to be a first or second option on offense to have a big impact on the game.
On the defensive end is where Johnson really stands out. He’s a pesky, hard-nosed defender who gives great effort and really looks in on his man. He plays passing lanes well and has very quick hands. At 6-5 he’s got enough size to guard SFs and his quick feet and awesome lateral agility allow him to stay in-front of just about any player out there.
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/keon-johnson/
 
This is definitely with strong input from Billups. Tough defensive guys.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
From Johnson's draft profile: Johnson will need some time to refine his ball-handling, shooting and play-making skills but his elite athleticism and rock solid frame give him a nice NBA ceiling.
At this point he drives the ball mostly to the right but he does so effectively and with a lot of success. He’s got great burst into the lane and explodes above the rim.

In some ways he plays like a young Ron Artest, being physical in the paint, rebounding the heck out the ball and also initiating the offense as a point forward. Another player Johnson reminds me of is Jaylen Brown, with his physical driving style and high end athleticism. It’s too early to say if he’ll be as good as those two players but the tools are there.

At this point outside shooting isn’t a strength but his shot certainly isn’t broken and will surely improve over the course of his career. He’s a slasher and a hustle player who doesn’t need to be a first or second option on offense to have a big impact on the game.
On the defensive end is where Johnson really stands out. He’s a pesky, hard-nosed defender who gives great effort and really looks in on his man. He plays passing lanes well and has very quick hands. At 6-5 he’s got enough size to guard SFs and his quick feet and awesome lateral agility allow him to stay in-front of just about any player out there.
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/keon-johnson/
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He's a 6'4" shooting guard, and can't shoot the 3, at all, and his name isn't Ben Simmons or Mugsy Bogues. This is the year 2022, when even burly centers like Nurk shoot the 3. BTW, in the last couple of games we've lost, we had open 3s and missed them. Johnson won't help us reverse that trend.

I'll be rooting for him big time for sure, but until his shot improved, I'll also be pessimistic.
 
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So these are my new trade ideas following what happened today. I don't think a lot of people will like them but I think they make us a contender next season.

The first is actually two separate trades that are contingent on one another. Ant to Detroit for Cory Joseph and Eric Bledsoe to Detroit for Jerami Grant. This trade actually puts us slightly back in the tax but the next one should take us back out. It depends on how Detroit values Ant but they need a big time scorer that is playing on the same timeline as all of the well rounded guys they've drafted... so I think they would go for it and after the trade below Joseph would be good to fill in for Dame while he's out and an upgrade at backup PG once Dame is back. While Grant is a great third option playing with two all nba players.

This one is more complicated, it involves a lot of teams and players:
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So I think this trade makes a lot of sense for everyone but it might be a little iffy for Toronto. However Toronto doesn't have a true center, they don't lose depth at the forward spot and they get the first rounder. The Sixers get a guy that has to be in their list of players, a guy that can get his own shot and is very versatile on defense plus a second round pick that should be pretty high. The Pelicans get CJ who is rumored to be their guy and Bonga is just so the Raptors only have to waive one player.

For us between the two trades we get an all nba player that can play every position on the court, we get a star forward who is a fantastic third option, a role player that can start at the two or come off the bench, a 3 and D big man who could probably start or come off the bench and a really good backup point guard.

This season our rotation would probably look like Joseph, Hart, Simmons, Grant, Hayes, DSJ, BennyMac, Elleby and Watford with Snell getting some time as well. I think this trade would allow us to waive Cody and sign Trendon for the next few years. It wouldn't help the tank and we would probably end up in the first play in game, with Dame back and win it. It would be cool, even without Nas to see how a good portion of the team would do against top competition in a series and who knows maybe we could go on a run. Dame, Simmons and Grant are a very solid 1, 2, 3 and there would be a lot of good role players around them.

Next season we would be a contender for sure. We could start Dame, Nas, Simmons, Grant and Hayes or I prefer Dame, Hart, Nas, Grant, Simmons and before you start thinking that's a small lineup Simmons is as big as Bam Adebayo, he's more athletic than Bam and I think he's probably just as strong because when he defends in the post he's pretty immovable. So I think he would make a great post player like a bigger Draymond. In any event we would have a lot of flexibility, great defense around Dame and solid shooting around Simmons. We would be a really hard team to beat.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
He's a 6'4" shooting guard, and can't shoot the 3, at all, and his name isn't Ben Simmons or Mugsy Bogues. This is the year 2022, when even burly centers like Nurk shoot the 3. BTW, in the last couple of games we've lost, we had open 3s and missed them. Johnson won't help us reverse that trend.

I'll be rooting for him big time for sure, but until his shot improved, I'll also be pessimistic.
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I think the point right now is to lose..
 
blazerkor said:
So these are my new trade ideas following what happened today. I don't think a lot of people will like them but I think they make us a contender next season.

The first is actually two separate trades that are contingent on one another. Ant to Detroit for Cory Joseph and Eric Bledsoe to Detroit for Jerami Grant. This trade actually puts us slightly back in the tax but the next one should take us back out. It depends on how Detroit values Ant but they need a big time scorer that is playing on the same timeline as all of the well rounded guys they've drafted... so I think they would go for it and after the trade below Joseph would be good to fill in for Dame while he's out and an upgrade at backup PG once Dame is back. While Grant is a great third option playing with two all nba players.

This one is more complicated, it involves a lot of teams and players:
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So I think this trade makes a lot of sense for everyone but it might be a little iffy for Toronto. However Toronto doesn't have a true center, they don't lose depth at the forward spot and they get the first rounder. The Sixers get a guy that has to be in their list of players, a guy that can get his own shot and is very versatile on defense plus a second round pick that should be pretty high. The Pelicans get CJ who is rumored to be their guy and Bonga is just so the Raptors only have to waive one player.

For us between the two trades we get an all nba player that can play every position on the court, we get a star forward who is a fantastic third option, a role player that can start at the two or come off the bench, a 3 and D big man who could probably start or come off the bench and a really good backup point guard.

This season our rotation would probably look like Joseph, Hart, Simmons, Grant, Hayes, DSJ, BennyMac, Elleby and Watford with Snell getting some time as well. I think this trade would allow us to waive Cody and sign Trendon for the next few years. It wouldn't help the tank and we would probably end up in the first play in game, with Dame back and win it. It would be cool, even without Nas to see how a good portion of the team would do against top competition in a series and who knows maybe we could go on a run. Dame, Simmons and Grant are a very solid 1, 2, 3 and there would be a lot of good role players around them.

Next season we would be a contender for sure. We could start Dame, Nas, Simmons, Grant and Hayes or I prefer Dame, Hart, Nas, Grant, Simmons and before you start thinking that's a small lineup Simmons is as big as Bam Adebayo, he's more athletic than Bam and I think he's probably just as strong because when he defends in the post he's pretty immovable. So I think he would make a great post player like a bigger Draymond. In any event we would have a lot of flexibility, great defense around Dame and solid shooting around Simmons. We would be a really hard team to beat.
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I just can’t do these trade simulators.. we both know that trade will never happen
 
MickZagger said:
I just can’t do these trade simulators.. we both know that trade will never happen
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If you break it down into the actual individual trades, I think CJ to the Pelicans for that return could happen, I think Nurk, Larry, filler salary and a first for Siakam could happen and I think that Siakam and a high second for Simmons could happen. I know it's a lot of moving parts and a lot of NBA execs to make happy but it wouldn't be the biggest trade ever and all of these teams need change.

The Sixers need to get the Simmons situation over with and they would probably have to add something to get Harden whereas they get just a little something in addition to Siakam and Siakam would fit more seamlessly into what they're already doing than Harden would but Siakam would still give them that punch of scoring from both inside and outside that could really benefit them. The Pelicans need change just to finally get their asses out of the cellar. The Raptors need change to get them out of purgatory. We need change because what we've been doing doesn't fit together and keeps us in purgatory.
 
MickZagger said:
I just can’t do these trade simulators.. we both know that trade will never happen
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it's also a ridiculous idea. we're not gonna dump Norm to open up room (both PT wise and salary wise) for Ant only to trade him for jerami grant.
 
blazerkor said:
If you break it down into the actual individual trades, I think CJ to the Pelicans for that return could happen, I think Nurk, Larry, filler salary and a first for Siakam could happen and I think that Siakam and a high second for Simmons could happen. I know it's a lot of moving parts and a lot of NBA execs to make happy but it wouldn't be the biggest trade ever and all of these teams need change.

The Sixers need to get the Simmons situation over with and they would probably have to add something to get Harden whereas they get just a little something in addition to Siakam and Siakam would fit more seamlessly into what they're already doing than Harden would but Siakam would still give them that punch of scoring from both inside and outside that could really benefit them. The Pelicans need change just to finally get their asses out of the cellar. The Raptors need change to get them out of purgatory. We need change because what we've been doing doesn't fit together and keeps us in purgatory.
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Latest I’ve been hearing is Harden for Simmons type deal. I’m not sure too many people can/want to compete with that.
 
illmatic99 said:
it's also a ridiculous idea. we're not gonna dump Norm to open up room (both PT wise and salary wise) for Ant only to trade him for jerami grant.
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If we learned from past mistakes we would. While Ant isn't the same player as CJ he has a ton of the same redundancies with Dame that CJ does... so I see the same problems. First and foremost you just can't cover up two bad defensive guards starting in your back court. Then we've seen since CJ has got back that Ant is just not the same player when he's not getting really high usage.

Also I think with shit we've heard from Nurk and straight from Cronin, there is a good chance that we're all going to be pissed because he's going to continue to try and build around Dame/CJ/Nurk. Well I really don't think the best use of Ant's value is behind Dame and CJ. I also don't see how you use Bledsoe's contract in a better way than this. The other trade while I try to justify it is both far fetched because it's far to big and complicated and also because I'm still really worried that Cronin is about keeping the old band together... which would fucking suck. That being said their would be a little bit of logic in thinking that another piece on the CJ/Nurk level, like Grant would change the outcome we've seen over and over.

Don't get me wrong I either want a ton of change around Dame or to tear it all down and build something where Ant and Nas are a big part of it and it's much younger than what we currently have. I want those things because what we currently have is mismatched and I'm sick of seeing it... I'm sick of MeJ bullshit and Nurk still not getting it and being mercurial. But it doesn't matter what I want, I think Cronin will make much more conservative moves than I would.
 
blazerkor said:
If we learned from past mistakes we would. While Ant isn't the same player as CJ he has a ton of the same redundancies with Dame that CJ does... so I see the same problems. First and foremost you just can't cover up two bad defensive guards starting in your back court. Then we've seen since CJ has got back that Ant is just not the same player when he's not getting really high usage.

Also I think with shit we've heard from Nurk and straight from Cronin, there is a good chance that we're all going to be pissed because he's going to continue to try and build around Dame/CJ/Nurk. Well I really don't think the best use of Ant's value is behind Dame and CJ. I also don't see how you use Bledsoe's contract in a better way than this. The other trade while I try to justify it is both far fetched because it's far to big and complicated and also because I'm still really worried that Cronin is about keeping the old band together... which would fucking suck. That being said their would be a little bit of logic in thinking that another piece on the CJ/Nurk level, like Grant would change the outcome we've seen over and over.

Don't get me wrong I either want a ton of change around Dame or to tear it all down and build something where Ant and Nas are a big part of it and it's much younger than what we currently have. I want those things because what we currently have is mismatched and I'm sick of seeing it... I'm sick of MeJ bullshit and Nurk still not getting it and being mercurial. But it doesn't matter what I want, I think Cronin will make much more conservative moves than I would.
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If we roll into next year with Lillard, CJ and Nurk nucleus it’s going to be really hard for me to tune in.
 
I’ve been in the minority for awhile now but I think we should trade Lillard. It’s even more clear to me now that we aren’t putting a contender around him. His best years are behind him.

A guard with his style of play isn’t going to hit an extra gear at 32. It’s nothing against Lillard. I love him and still think he can have some productive years. But if he’s THE guy. The star of the show and not maybe a Robin type to a Batman than we ain’t winning shit.

Time to switch gears. Collect assets. Even trade Lillard while he still has some value.
 
MickZagger said:
I’ve been in the minority for awhile now but I think we should trade Lillard. It’s even more clear to me now that we aren’t putting a contender around him. His best years are behind him.

A guard with his style of play isn’t going to hit an extra gear at 32. It’s nothing against Lillard. I love him and still think he can have some productive years. But if he’s THE guy. The star of the show and not maybe a Robin type to a Batman than we ain’t winning shit.

Time to switch gears. Collect assets. Even trade Lillard while he still has some value.
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Yep. Reboot with Simons, Little, Lotto pick and whatever haul you get from Dame, CJ and Nurk. Blow this shit up after that abomination of a trade today.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Yep. Reboot with Simons, Little, Lotto pick and whatever haul you get from Dame, CJ and Nurk. Blow this shit up after that abomination of a trade today.
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Its never been more apparent that we should move on and start something new here. The people not accepting that are kind of in denial at this point.

Neil fucked us when he didn’t shuffle the deck years ago. In fact, he doubled down.
 



With the emergence of Simons and the selling off of veterans like Powell and Covington, rival executives around the league believe the Trail Blazers will move CJ McCollum by the trade deadline or this offseason as Portland continues to reshape its roster around franchise star Damian Lillard. Several teams, including the New Orleans Pelicans, Dallas Mavericks, and others, are expected to have interest in trading for McCollum, who is owed $69.13 million over the next two seasons.
 
Scalma said:



With the emergence of Simons and the selling off of veterans like Powell and Covington, rival executives around the league believe the Trail Blazers will move CJ McCollum by the trade deadline or this offseason as Portland continues to reshape its roster around franchise star Damian Lillard. Several teams, including the New Orleans Pelicans, Dallas Mavericks, and others, are expected to have interest in trading for McCollum, who is owed $69.13 million over the next two seasons.
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Well duh. That’s pretty obvious…

About 5 years too late.
 
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