the age of the earth

[magnifier661]

I call straw man! Who are these "many atheists"? Either cite them directly, or stop generalizing -- I hope you'll agree that I'm pretty familiar with and respectful of the Bible, even if I don't believe it to describe objective fact.

As for your question, what doctrine are you talking about? I don't have a doctrine. Evolution is not doctrine. The great thing about science is that it is BUILT upon things being wrong, and corrected. Religions deal with doctrines -- eternal truths that are not up for debate or revision. This is a key difference.

Easy... MARIS, Crowbot, RR7, Rasta and VanillaGorilla all have mocked the Bible. Does that qualify "many"? It certainly isn't a few or a couple right?

 

[TripTango]

Or if life had 1 creator. Let me ask you a question...

Break apart a computer, radio, TV, and clock and tell me if you see things in common. All proof that even though they are relativily different; they all come from a very similar technology. And; millions of years from now; if somehow these components were dug up; it would prove that it came from one creator.

And the progression of species as time passes in the fossil record? God was just playing with us by saving his best designs for last, suspiciously planting them in a line to fool us into thinking they were connected?

 

[TripTango]

Easy... MARIS, Crowbot, RR7, Rasta and VanillaGorilla all have mocked the Bible. Does that qualify "many"? It certainly isn't a few or a couple right?

So, your question was "why should Christians take science seriously when MARIS, Crowbot, RR7, Rasta and VanillaGorilla all have mocked the Bible?"

 

[3RA1N1AC]

so if noah was 700 years old, how old was his dad? or his dads dad? whats the timeline here, because those 700's add up to more than 6000 in a hurry

adam/eve----cain/abel----incest----??? thats all i got

 

[TripTango]

Then, you're no doubt solidly aware that the Bible, itself, doesn't describe many its contents as objective fact. Conversely, it beckons us to Faith.

Bingo. And I've got no scientific issue with Christians who take Genesis as an example of metaphorical truth. This thread was about those who DO take it as objective fact.

 

[magnifier661]

Since we're tossing bones out, I've got one for creationist types. The first vertebrates more or less show up fully formed in the fossil record.

Thanks I appreciate it. You should check out that link I gave. It pretty much used all those links you gave me and gave descriptions that seemed much easier to study. Should help you.

 

[magnifier661]

So, your question was "why should Christians take science seriously when MARIS, Crowbot, RR7, Rasta and VanillaGorilla all have mocked the Bible?"

Yes, if the jest of the debating is by them. You and Denny on the other hand have been very "unbias" for the most part.

I mean come on buddy; you yourself have mocked our beliefs. Remember posting "Christian Circle Jerk"? You don't think that's condescending?

 

[magnifier661]

so if noah was 700 years old, how old was his dad? or his dads dad? whats the timeline here, because those 700's add up to more than 6000 in a hurry

adam/eve----cain/abel----incest----??? thats all i got

The Young Earthians believe somewhere around 10k years old. At least from what I've read.

 

[Pokemanzdood]

Thanks I appreciate it. You should check out that link I gave. It pretty much used all those links you gave me and gave descriptions that seemed much easier to study. Should help you.

Certainly is a much easier read, seems unbiased as well, which is always the hardest to find when looking for these things!

 

[TripTango]

Yes, if the jest of the debating is by them. You and Denny on the other hand have been very "unbias" for the most part.

I mean come on buddy; you yourself have mocked our beliefs. Remember posting "Christian Circle Jerk"? You don't think that's condescending?

Actually it was "HOLY circlejerk"...

I'm not claiming to have never teased!

 

[magnifier661]

Certainly is a much easier read, seems unbiased as well, which is always the hardest to find when looking for these things!

Yeah I just read through only the first page. I keep coming back so I understand.

EDIT: I just realized that I put the link in the middle of the thesis. Here is the link from the start.

 

[TripTango]

Yes, if the jest of the debating is by them. You and Denny on the other hand have been very "unbias" for the most part.

I don't think folks should accept or discard ANY viewpoint based on whether or not all of it's proponents have been fully respectful on internet forums. Do you realize where that criteria would leave us?

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think folks should accept or discard ANY viewpoint based on whether or not all of it's proponents have been fully respectful on internet forums. Do you realize where that criteria would leave us?

Don't know why I don't understand what you're saying. Kinda flew over my head, and I just read it over 4 times.

 

[TripTango]

Don't know why I don't understand what you're saying. Kinda flew over my head, and I just read it over 4 times.

If we discarded a way of thinking every time we saw one of it's supporters be disrespectful on the internet, what would we be left with?

Nihilism, Dude.

And nobody likes a nihilist!

 

[magnifier661]

If we discarded a way of thinking every time we saw one of it's supporters be disrespectful on the internet, what would we be left with?

Nihilism, Dude.

And nobody likes a nihilist!

Ahhhhhh lol okay now I get it.

 

[crowTrobot]

Easy... MARIS, Crowbot, RR7, Rasta and VanillaGorilla all have mocked the Bible. Does that qualify "many"? It certainly isn't a few or a couple right?

this age of the earth/evolution debate is about scienctific evidence. it doesn't even involve the bible.

and in any case i'm intimately familiar with the bible.

 

[crowTrobot]

Since we're tossing bones out, I've got one for creationist types. The first vertebrates more or less show up fully formed in the fossil record.

whether the cambrian explosion is an illusion or not is a matter of contention at the moment within the scientific community, and few believe "more or less" isn't at least over tens of millions of years.

 

[ABM]

....and in any case i'm intimately familiar with the bible.

I might question the term, intimately, but that's just me.

 

[magnifier661]

I might question the term, intimately, but that's just me.

THIS...

 

[TripTango]

I might question the term, intimately, but that's just me.

Nah, it's true. I saw the video online somewhere. Kinda disturbing...

 

[ABM]

Nah, it's true. I saw the video online somewhere. Kinda disturbing...

I think it was called Sideways.

 

[crowTrobot]

Yes, if the jest of the debating is by them. You and Denny on the other hand have been very "unbias" for the most part.

not sure what you're trying to say here, but denny, TT, and I all have the same views of your beliefs for almost entirely the same reasons.

 

[crowTrobot]

I might question the term, intimately, but that's just me.

yeah you wouldn't want to see my webster's dictionary.

 

[magnifier661]

not sure what you're trying to say here, but denny, TT, and I all have the same views of your beliefs for almost entirely the same reasons.

You are the extremest. Even if you saw God, you wouldn't believe (Yeah my opinion on you). I have a feeling if TT and Denny saw God, they would actually believe.

 

[TripTango]

You are the extremest. Even if you saw God, you wouldn't believe (Yeah my opinion on you). I have a feeling if TT and Denny saw God, they would actually believe.

I think that establishing the criteria for changing one's mind is a crucial step in being an honest thinker. There are actually several events that could happen that would change my mind about God. For example, if we were to somehow discover human life on another planet, I'd be sold. Ironically, of course, this discovery would also be a devastating blow to a number of Earth-centric religions...

 

[magnifier661]

I think that establishing the criteria for changing one's mind is a crucial step in being an honest thinker. There are actually several events that could happen that would change my mind about God. For example, if we were to somehow discover human life on another planet, I'd be sold. Ironically, of course, this discovery would also be a devastating blow to a number of Earth-centric religions...

The unfortunate situation is everything is so far away. Aren't certain galaxies millions of "light years" away? Wouldn't that mean the telescope captured 100,000,000 million years ago or something? So there could be planets just like ours that are just as developed and we don't even know. A weird "Catch 22" if you know what I mean. Who knows civilizations could be at our level and have no phathom of life on other planets too.

 

[crowTrobot]

You are the extremest.

sure you aren't confusing me with maris again? i haven't been saying anything intellectually different than TT or denny.

Even if you saw God, you wouldn't believe

what god? i would believe in a superior being if i saw it and had the means to be sure i wasn't hallucinating. if that superior being appeared and told me the earth is 6000 years, or that the christian plan of salvation makes logical sense morally, i would think he was lying to me.

 

[crowTrobot]

The unfortunate situation is everything is so far away. Aren't certain galaxies millions of "light years" away? Wouldn't that mean the telescope captured 100,000,000 million years ago or something? So there could be planets just like ours that are just as developed and we don't even know. A weird "Catch 22" if you know what I mean. Who knows civilizations could be at our level and have no phathom of life on other planets too.

he said humans specifically on other planets, not other civilizations at our level. if we found humans on other planets it would be clear evidence humans were the result of intelligent design.

 

[magnifier661]

he said humans specifically on other planets, not other civilizations at our level. if we found humans on other planets it would be clear evidence humans were the result of intelligent design.

And still the same response. I've seen a few solar systems known to be inhabitable; that are 20 light years away; but no life yet to be seen. I think 1 is 10 times our gravity and each year is like 3 days or something; so even if they were human; they would probably look much different.

 

[TripTango]

And still the same response. I've seen a few solar systems known to be inhabitable; that are 20 light years away; but no life yet to be seen. I think 1 is 10 times our gravity and each year is like 3 days or something; so even if they were human; they would probably look much different.

Some say that God can make anything possible.

But the key word up there is "if", of course -- I don't expect it to happen any more than I expect a flaming hand to inscribe words upon my office wall. (That would also be an event that would change my mind, by the way, assuming others could confirm that I hadn't suddenly gone bonkers.)