The Anfernee to Orlando rumor/discussion thread

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Watching the playoffs, I think we see the value of somebody who can knock down a shot and get hot. Anfernee, for all his faults, has that ability more than any other player on our roster. Meanwhile I am impressed by the way that Chet Holmgren has just blended in as essentially just a role player on the Thunder. Instead of plotting to offload all our vets (Jerami, Anfernee, Ayton, Matisse) should we instead be thinking of trying to make everything work with reduced minutes? I mean, if we were able to get buy in in the way that the Thunder clearly have, we would have a very deep team with multiple options. Would that require a different coach, though?
 
wizenheimer said:
lol...c'mon man

Timelord has almost no value because, injuries; Murray has no value because, lack of shooting skills. Issac has no value because, injuries and contract. Don't clutter up a trade workable with those guys

so you're basically saying Simons is worth two first round picks plus two intriguing youngish prospects. not...a...chance

simplify: Simons for Anthony + Harris + 16. Portland blocks the opportunity for Cronin to throw 35M/year at Simons; trades expiring contract for expiring contracts; and picks up a mid-1st round pick, opening up the opportunity for using 11 + 16 to either move up or leverage another Avdija-like trade

I'd probably be ok with #25 instead of #16 if the offset was Orlando adding a couple of 2nds
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Due to where Olrando is relative to the tax line, I highly doubt that they will exercise the Team Option on Harris.

So the trade would need to look like:
KCP ($21.6M) + Howard ($5.5M) + 16 (~$5M) <=> Simons ($27.6M)

Howard is 21 and was the #11 pick 2 seasons ago. Admittedly, he hasn't shown anything of value in the NBA thus far....
However, his Dad is an assistant coach with the Nets. I wonder if Portland could flip Howard to the Nets into their cap space for #27 (Nets currently have 4 first round picks -> they're going to have to move some of them).
 
Chris Craig said:
I would accept Bitadze, Black, Issac, #16, #46, and a future protected 1st, for Simons, Williams, and Murray.
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wizenheimer said:
lol...c'mon man

Timelord has almost no value because, injuries; Murray has no value because, lack of shooting skills. Issac has no value because, injuries and contract. Don't clutter up a trade workable with those guys

so you're basically saying Simons is worth two first round picks plus two intriguing youngish prospects. not...a...chance

simplify: Simons for Anthony + Harris + 16. Portland blocks the opportunity for Cronin to throw 35M/year at Simons; trades expiring contract for expiring contracts; and picks up a mid-1st round pick, opening up the opportunity for using 11 + 16 to either move up or leverage another Avdija-like trade

I'd probably be ok with #25 instead of #16 if the offset was Orlando adding a couple of 2nds
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Personally, I like Isaac. I think he would be a good complement to Clingan. He's played 129 games over the past 2 years. I'd take a chance on him if Orlando really thinks he has no value.
 
Orlando might feel good, however there are 28 more teams that could enter the sharp shooters sweepstakes.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Due to where Olrando is relative to the tax line, I highly doubt that they will exercise the Team Option on Harris.

So the trade would need to look like:
KCP ($21.6M) + Howard ($5.5M) + 16 (~$5M) <=> Simons ($27.6M)

Howard is 21 and was the #11 pick 2 seasons ago. Admittedly, he hasn't shown anything of value in the NBA thus far....
However, his Dad is an assistant coach with the Nets. I wonder if Portland could flip Howard to the Nets into their cap space for #27 (Nets currently have 4 first round picks -> they're going to have to move some of them).
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PtldPlatypus said:
Personally, I like Isaac. I think he would be a good complement to Clingan. He's played 129 games over the past 2 years. I'd take a chance on him if Orlando really thinks he has no value.
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good point about Orlando's tax/apron situation. They need to cut salary and if they trade for Simons they will likely need to send out as much, or more salary than Simons

a Simons for Issac swap works at the draft but that adds over 12M in salary for Orlando next season. Simons for KCP works before the draft as well, and it only adds 6M in salary which can be offset by waiving Harris. If Orlando is really desperate to stay under the 2nd apron, and they should be, then dumping the 16th pick deletes 4.4M in rookie scale next season
 
wizenheimer said:
good point about Orlando's tax/apron situation. They need to cut salary and if they trade for Simons they will likely need to send out as much, or more salary than Simons

a Simons for Issac swap works at the draft but that adds over 12M in salary for Orlando next season. Simons for KCP works before the draft as well, and it only adds 6M in salary which can be offset by waiving Harris. If Orlando is really desperate to stay under the 2nd apron, and they should be, then dumping the 16th pick deletes 4.4M in rookie scale next season
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Not sure the Blazers would be willing to swallow the KCP contract. I like Isaac much more, even if he's perpetually injured. Let's get this done so we can move on to our future backcourt taking the reigns.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
Not sure the Blazers would be willing to swallow the KCP contract. I like Isaac much more, even if he's perpetually injured. Let's get this done so we can move on to our future backcourt taking the reigns.
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KCP's contract is one extra year over the Simons contract. I don't see that as a problem unless Cronin foolishly re-signs Ayton to a big deal.

but Issac's contract is not as bad as it seems 1st glance

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https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/23601/jonathan-isaac

those terms give the Blazers an out if Issac gets injured again
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Due to where Olrando is relative to the tax line, I highly doubt that they will exercise the Team Option on Harris.

So the trade would need to look like:
KCP ($21.6M) + Howard ($5.5M) + 16 (~$5M) <=> Simons ($27.6M)

Howard is 21 and was the #11 pick 2 seasons ago. Admittedly, he hasn't shown anything of value in the NBA thus far....
However, his Dad is an assistant coach with the Nets. I wonder if Portland could flip Howard to the Nets into their cap space for #27 (Nets currently have 4 first round picks -> they're going to have to move some of them).
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We don't need a $21 million vet that's going to come off the bench.
 
Sometimes you gotta take something bad to get something that helps the team NOW considering IF we trade Grant that could be an ugly deal in terms of eating a semi bad contract but if the Blazers could get the 16th pick in an Ant deal I would be open to it.
 
Ant/+?

Anthony Black and Hugo Gonzalez/Sorber/McNeeley (#16)
 
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Wonder how far up you could jump if we had 11 and 16? And then question is there player up above that we could possibly land say in the 7-9 range that we are high on?
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Wonder how far up you could jump if we had 11 and 16? And then question is there player up above that we could possibly land say in the 7-9 range that we are high on?
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Brooklyn would be nice. They could throw us their early pick and and a late 1st since they have four of them.
 
blazerkor said:
Oh no I hate the OP idea. I was referring to the idea from the Sporting News in the second post in this thread... not the Reddit one:

"Orlando Magic Receive: G Anfernee Simons Portland Trail Blazers Receive: G Anthony Black, SG Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, 2025 first-round pick (No. 25 overall via Denver Nuggets),"
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The issue with KCP being included is he is such a negative asset, ORL would have to include something else. He drastically declined last year and the length of that contract stinks.
 
TBpup said:
The issue with KCP being included is he is such a negative asset, ORL would have to include something else. He drastically declined last year and the length of that contract stinks.
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People are overly hating on KCP.

Ant has 1 year at $27M
KCP has 2 years at $21M ($43M total)

He's on par with Simons for being a positive impact player. He doesn't score as much, but contributes in other ways...

Once you consider a possible Simons extension, KCP is less expensive for similar positive impact.

If push comes to shove, I think you could dump KCP for expiring contracts right now.
The Lakers would give up Maxi + Vincent for him easily
 
Whatever the end result is, Blazers need to go in with a high asking price. The Blazers have what the Magic want. The Blazers should be dictating the trade and not getting taken.

The Deni trade has me optimistic this will be the case.
 
Chris Craig said:
Whatever the end result is, Blazers need to go in with a high asking price. The Blazers have what the Magic want. The Blazers should be dictating the trade and not getting taken.

The Deni trade has me optimistic this will be the case.
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has there been any real indication that Orlando wants Simons enough to pay any price close to what you're implying? They could have traded for him last summer but they signed KCP

that's an honest question. I don't know if Orlando is actually interested. I know Portland/NBA/Orlando fans have been talking about it plenty for a couple of years. Not sure either front office is dialed in like the fans are. It may be that the reasons why so many Blazer fans want Simons traded are the same reasons why Orlando isn't interested

that said, sure, Orlando needs an offensive upgrade. They were 27th in offensive rating but 2nd in defensive rating; 28th in TS%. They are 30th in the NBA in 3ptFG% but 1st in opponent 3ptFG%. On paper, they could upgrade by exchanging some defensive efficiency for offensive efficiency. But it might be that they don't want to make that exchange by adding an undersized tweener guard who is well known as one of the worst defenders in the league; not if it comes at the cost of a 16th pick?
 
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wizenheimer said:
has there been any real indication that Orlando wants Simons enough to pay any price close to what you're implying? They could have traded for him last summer but they signed KCP

that's an honest question. I don't know if Orlando is actually interested. I know Portland/NBA/Orlando fans have been talking about it plenty for a couple of years. Not sure either front office is dialed in like the fans are. It may be that the reasons why so many Blazer fans want Simons traded are the same reasons why Orlando isn't interested

that said, sure, Orlando needs an offensive upgrade. They were 27th in offensive rating but 2nd in defensive rating; 28th in TS%. They are 30th in the NBA in 3ptFG% but 1st in opponent 3ptFG%. On paper, they could upgrade by exchanging some defensive efficiency for offensive efficiency. But it might be that they don't want to make that exchange by adding an undersized tweener guard who is well known as one of the worst defenders in the league; not if it comes at the cost of a 16th pick?
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For whatever reason, fans are always convinced players want to play for their home town teams, and those teams are desperate for said player.
 
I think it's only a 50/50 at best Ant is traded -- I still think for some reason Cronin still see's him as a core piece.

Setting aside if you agree or disagree IF this is the case then Sharpe or Scoot MUST go unless your just going to try and stunt Scoot's and maybe even Sharpe's growth as a player. -- period
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I think it's only a 50/50 at best Ant is traded -- I still think for some reason Cronin still see's him as a core piece.

Setting aside if you agree or disagree IF this is the case then Sharpe or Scoot MUST go unless your just going to try and stunt Scoot's and maybe even Sharpe's growth as a player. -- period
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Ant is to Cronin's as CJ is to Olshey
 
TBpup said:
The issue with KCP being included is he is such a negative asset, ORL would have to include something else. He drastically declined last year and the length of that contract stinks.
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I want the 16th pick. Maybe both picks.
 
KingSpeed said:
Isaac can defend. A Tisse/Camara/Isaac/Clingan combo would shut people down. Imagine having them to get a stop at the end of a close game.
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The Robert Williams of forwards who unfortunately won't be available much.
 
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