The BLAME GAME: Olshey or Stotts or both?

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olshey should have signed everyone for the league minimum. what's wrong with this guy? i barely crest 40k a year how am i supposed to pay these salaries?
 
Boob-No-More said:
If only. When Nic wasn't hitting his shot, at least he brought other things to the table (rebounding and passing). When Crabbe isn't making his shots, he's dead wood.

BNM
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I think we covered Batum's game with Plumlees assists and Aminus defense as well as Crabbes inconsistent shot
 
riverman said:
I think we covered Batum's game with Plumlees assists and Aminus defense as well as Crabbes inconsistent shot
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Great - it now takes 3 guys to do the job one guy use to do. That's the problem with the team - we have too many guys that can only do one thing well, and in many cases they don't even do that one thing all that well! Davis, Crabbe, Aminu, Meyers, Stotts - all one trick ponies that flub their trick a little too often.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Whats a meltdown? I've never had one. Just ask @HCP
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uh....Raymond Felton coming off the bench behind Jamal Crawford at point...Oden's medical retirement, Roy's medical retirement and the Nolan Smith, Kaleb Canales, Luke Babbitt fest comes to mind.....I was real grumpy that season
 
riverman said:
uh....Raymond Felton coming off the bench behind Jamal Crawford at point...Oden's medical retirement, Roy's medical retirement and the Nolan Smith, Kaleb Canales, Luke Babbitt fest comes to mind.....I was real grumpy that season
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From you? YOU????? I'm gonna have to really sift through the history. I just don't see it from ya. lol.
 
Absolutely Stotts. The team plays with no concrete directive except free reign - loosely tied into an 'around the horn' and 'weave' offense.
So when they come up against some difficulties there is no efficient, disciplined system to fall back on when the creativity fails. They flounder.

I can't stress the discipline enough. Players are taking VERY inefficient and ill-advised shots, along with a healthy dose of hero-ball.
That lack of discipline stems from no accountability, or instilled discipline from Stotts.

Our players are capable of much better defense if even only stepped up to a mediocre defensive system (that actually doesn't switch guards onto bigs - and doesn't instead help the other team), along with much better shooting in a more disciplined and personally accountable offensive system.
 
But mostly, so far this is on Olshey. He bought the hype from our success last year. That said, Ezeli hasn't played a minute and he would make a difference.
 
WillG said:
Absolutely Stotts. The team plays with no concrete directive except free reign - loosely tied into an 'around the horn' and 'weave' offense.
So when they come up against some difficulties there is no efficient, disciplined system to fall back on when the creativity fails. They flounder.

I can't stress the discipline enough. Players are taking VERY inefficient and ill-advised shots, along with a healthy dose of hero-ball.
That lack of discipline stems from no accountability, or instilled discipline from Stotts.

Our players are capable of much better defense if even only stepped up to a mediocre defensive system (that actually doesn't switch guards onto bigs - and doesn't instead help the other team), along with much better shooting in a more disciplined and personally accountable offensive system.
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This, this, a THOUSAND times THIS!!!
 
yuyuza1 said:
Dude everyone under the sun knows that the moves made this summer were not necessarily to build the team, as much as it was to fill the roster with trade chips. We know it's flawed and unbalanced. Stotts knows it. Neil knows it.

Neil paid AC, Meyers, Moe, etc to retain assets. He has said as much on multiple occasions. In this environment when even mediocre FAs need to be overpaid to come here, it's best if we retain what he have on contract, and then see if they can be moved later on to actually build the team.

It's so premature to play this blame game now. Wait til the trade deadline when restrictions on trades pass and we have a better idea of whom to keep and whom to move. Our roster on day 1 of the playoffs will be better defined than it clearly is now. Patience is tough when you have high expectations, but now is the time for it. As long as we are hovering around .500 come February, we'll be golden with our easy schedule to finish the season.
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You're the GM of any team in the league: Portland calls up and says Allan Crabbe is available. What are you going to offer for him, with him making 18.5 mil per year? Same with Turner. Can you come up with one realistic idea?
 
Sinobas said:
You're the GM of any team in the league: Portland calls up and says Allan Crabbe is available. What are you going to offer for him, with him making 18.5 mil per year? Same with Turner. Can you come up with one realistic idea?
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Even worse - you'd have to find someone to take on 21 Million with the trade kicker in Crabbe's contract.
Still can't believe the decision to match that contract on a mediocre loafer. . .
 
WillG said:
Even worse - you'd have to find someone to take on 21 Million with the trade kicker in Crabbe's contract.
Still can't believe the decision to match that contract on a mediocre loafer. . .
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My only hope is that he's just dug a hole that will make him take it to the next level by summer...stranger things have happened...as is, he's way behind his pay grade
 
There are 3 big opportunities per year to get players: the draft, the free agency period after the draft, and the Midseason Trade Deadline. Olshey doesn't believe in using that last opportunity. Bob Whitsitt never missed it.

Every year right after the Midseason Trade Deadline, I criticize Olshey for sitting on his ass. The lazy butts on this board whine, "He's waiting till the draft." Right after the draft when he does nothing, I say something. They cry, "He's waiting till the free agency period." After he does nothing then, they say, "He's building assets for a trade this summer." After he does nothing they say, "He's waiting till the Midseason Trade Deadline."

In this thread, a couple of people said, "Blame the lazy players. They aren't poor quality, which would be Olshey's fault. They're all star-quality and are just not working hard." Well now who selected our 15 lazy superstars?

Stotts has a weird system which abhors an inside game. Every time a Blazer has the ball in scoring position under the basket, he passes back out instead of going up and getting fouled. The same outside emphasis is there on defense, as well as offense. It's the opposite of all common sense (funnel it inside) that I've seen for decades in the NBA. Whether you blame players or coach, it's Olshey who has the power to change things, and he never feels pressure to rise to Whitsitt's active energetic standard of replacing players or coach, because of the apologists for mediocrity we're reading right here.
 
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jlprk said:
There are 3 big opportunities per year to get players: the draft, the free agency period after the draft, and the Midseason Trade Deadline. Olshey doesn't believe in using that last opportunity. Bob Whitsitt never missed it.

Every year right after the Midseason Trade Deadline, I criticize Olshey for sitting on his ass. The lazy butts on this board whine, "He's waiting till the draft." Right after the draft when he does nothing, I say something. They cry, "He's waiting till the free agency period." After he does nothing then, they say, "He's building assets for a trade this summer." After he does nothing they say, "He's waiting till the Midseason Trade Deadline."

In this thread, a couple of people said, "Blame the lazy players. They aren't poor quality, which would be Olshey's fault. They're all star-quality and are just not working hard." Well now who selected our 15 lazy superstars?

Stotts has a weird system which abhors an inside game. Every time a Blazer has the ball in scoring position under the basket, he passes back out instead of going up and getting fouled. The same outside emphasis is there on defense, as well as offense. It's the opposite of all common sense (funnel it inside) that I've seen for decades in the NBA. Whether you blame players or coach, it's Olshey who has the power to change things, and he never feels pressure to rise to Whitsitt's active energetic standard of replacing players, because of the apologists for mediocrity we're reading right here.
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Sacremento GM: "We're willing to give you Demarcus Cousions for CJ, Crabbe, Meyers, and a 1st."

Neil Olshey: " Umm... I can't. This message board is saying that it's fine. We'll stay. Yeah, we'll stay. I can't. I just can't."

Because that's how your last sentence sounded.
 
Strenuus said:
Sacremento GM: "We're willing to give you Demarcus Cousions for...
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A GM must be a good talent evaluator. It takes no such talent to notice that Cousins is a star. What takes talent is to pluck an unnoticed young player from anonymity and make him bloom. Olshey tried to do this with Ed Davis, Aminu, Turner, etc., but they aren't good enough. The guys who are good enough (Lillard and McCollum) were conventional wisdom for where they were in the draft, not genius finds.

Olshey will never get Cousins because every other GM is after him. Whitsitt found players without big names who were undervalued by other GMs. A GM's success depends on his ability as a talent evaluator of unknowns, not in his chasing obvious big names like Cousins. (Except for glittery Los Angeles, New York, and maybe Boston.)

(Looking at what I just wrote, I see that the 2nd paragraph is just a rewording of the 1st.)
 
jlprk said:
A GM must be a good talent evaluator. It takes no such talent to notice that Cousins is a star. What takes talent is to pluck an unnoticed young player from anonymity and make him bloom. Olshey tried to do this with Ed Davis, Aminu, Turner, etc., but they aren't good enough. The guys who are good enough (Lillard and McCollum) were conventional wisdom for where they were in the draft, not genius finds.

Olshey will never get Cousins because every other GM is after him. Whitsitt found players without big names who were undervalued by other GMs. A GM's success depends on his ability as a talent evaluator of unknowns, not in his chasing obvious big names like Cousins. (Except for glittery Los Angeles, New York, and maybe Boston.)

(Looking at what I just wrote, I see that the 2nd paragraph is just a rewording of the 1st.)
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lol. This whole post is funny. I'll let you re-read and re-think it so you can see the big fundamental flaw in it.
 
jlprk said:
Whitsitt found players without big names who were undervalued by other GMs. A GM's success depends on his ability as a talent evaluator of unknowns, not in his chasing obvious big names like Cousins. (Except for glittery Los Angeles, New York, and maybe Boston.)
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Lol, right. Whitsitt was the ultimate big name chaser. He chased Pippen, he chased Kemp (unfortunately). He chased a ton of established players (Steve Smith, Derek Anderson, Damon Stoudamire, Greg Anthony), who were often past their prime (Detlef Schrempf, Dale Davis, Rod Strickland, the sequel, etc.). Not a single unknown in that lot.

Whitsitt's biggest problem was he never knew when to stop chasing. He built a championship caliber team and then immediately destroyed it by chasing names.

I love your imagination though. You come up with some doozies. Keep up the good work.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Lol, right. Whitsitt was the ultimate big name chaser. He chased Pippen, he chased Kemp (unfortunately). He chased a ton of established players (Steve Smith, Derek Anderson, Damon Stoudamire, Greg Anthony), who were often past their prime (Detlef Schrempf, Dale Davis, Rod Strickland, the sequel, etc.). Not a single unknown in that lot.

Whitsitt's biggest problem was he never knew when to stop chasing. He built a championship caliber team and then immediately destroyed it by chasing names.

I love your imagination though. You come up with some doozies. Keep up the good work.

BNM
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Damn, I wanted him to find it!
 
The solution to all our problems is simple. Bring back Bob, with Boob on Bended knee.
 
I only hope that before you meet your Maker, you will accept Bob into your life, because He is a jealous Maker.
 
Whitsitt....Whitsitt real good ......! One question jlprk......how close did we get to a championship with Trader Bob?
 
Reeaal good close. Much gooder than Olshey.
 
jlprk said:
A GM must be a good talent evaluator. It takes no such talent to notice that Cousins is a star. What takes talent is to pluck an unnoticed young player from anonymity and make him bloom. Olshey tried to do this with Ed Davis, Aminu, Turner, etc., but they aren't good enough. The guys who are good enough (Lillard and McCollum) were conventional wisdom for where they were in the draft, not genius finds.

Olshey will never get Cousins because every other GM is after him. Whitsitt found players without big names who were undervalued by other GMs. A GM's success depends on his ability as a talent evaluator of unknowns, not in his chasing obvious big names like Cousins. (Except for glittery Los Angeles, New York, and maybe Boston.)

(Looking at what I just wrote, I see that the 2nd paragraph is just a rewording of the 1st.)
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Olshey also plucked Harkless and Laymen from a virtual free tree.
No GM is going to have a 100% hit mark. Olshey is a pretty good at seeing potential talent in my opinion so far.
 
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