The Case Against the Memphis Grizzlies

[PapaG]

If I owned the Nets and I woke up this morning and saw that in my mailbox, first thing I'd do is waive Mo Ager and sign Darius Miles for two games. That's just uncalled for, what the Blazers did this morning.

Really? You like to spend big money in this economy on emotional reactions?

 

[adisodes]

Really? You like to spend big money in this economy on emotional reactions?

If I owned the Nets, I'm sure I can afford to take the hit. Maybe I'd keep Miles, it's not like we use Ager anyway.

 

[PapaG]

If I owned the Nets, I'm sure I can afford to take the hit. Maybe I'd keep Miles, it's not like we use Ager anyway.

Maybe, but the rich play a big role in our economy.

 

[BrianFromWA]

That's another thing I don't understand.
First, Miles should have held out for a guaranteed contract if it's about screwing Portland. He should've said (since it's HIS leverage), "you want to screw the Blazers for 9M in cap space and your lux tax share in cash? Fine. Pay me my money, guaranteed, all year or you don't get squat."

Second, if the Grizzlies would've just kept him all year on his guaranteed contract, the Blazers probably wouldn't have had a leg to stand on. Now, they obviously have the impression that they have a case against anyone who doesn't keep Miles most of the year.

It'll be fun, and I'm a little skeptical about all the "Miller and PA and KP screwed up" crowd. KP said in October they had a solution already set up for this.

 

[oldguy]

I've always maintained Portland was stupid to extend Miles, dumber to waive him, that of course he can still play and they were idiots to think he wouldn't, and they should nut up and honor his contract.

I hate parasites like Paul "Bankruptcy" Allen who use technicalities to avoid honoring their word.

Gives Portland a bad rep.

They DID honor his contract. He got paid. They weren't going to play him anyway. It's pretty similar to paying Francis off. (Other than getting to take Miles' contract off the payroll.)

You don't like PA as an owner? I just don't get it.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That's another thing I don't understand.
First, Miles should have held out for a guaranteed contract if it's about screwing Portland. He should've said (since it's HIS leverage), "you want to screw the Blazers for 9M in cap space and your lux tax share in cash? Fine. Pay me my money, guaranteed, all year or you don't get squat."

There's no telling what Miles motivations are, but if he really wants to get back on the court and he's got this history of being kind of bad apple and the devastating knee injury, how much leverage does he really have when his getting back on the court only represents a financial gain of a few hundred thousand dollars to all luxury tax receiving teams? -- it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a team to spend millions on a guy when the money coming back to them is a fraction of that. After all, they aren't solely concerned with fucking the Blazers right?

Second, if the Grizzlies would've just kept him all year on his guaranteed contract, the Blazers probably wouldn't have had a leg to stand on. Now, they obviously have the impression that they have a case against anyone who doesn't keep Miles most of the year.

Again, even if Darius only sticks around for a ten day contract or two, the Blazers still don't have much of a case since this isn't exactly an unheard of practice in the NBA -- guys sign and play on ten day contracts all the time, every year and then get released and no one says boo about it.

It'll be fun, and I'm a little skeptical about all the "Miller and PA and KP screwed up" crowd. KP said in October they had a solution already set up for this.

You're right, they aren't screwed, they still can move RLEC (or other players) in a trade before the deadline, and can still have upwards of 16 million of cap room this coming off-season, they just won't have the complete, unfettered freedom to operate they would have had if Miles had stayed away.

 

[JE]

They're meanies and they're poopheads.

 

[Masbee]

I understand that but I feel like everybody would be up in arms even if it were another team that decided to sign Miles. The doctors were wrong in saying that Miles couldn't play,

You have said this twice. Twice doesn't make it right.

NOTHING has come up so far to disprove the doctors declaration.

No one is claiming that the declaration of qualification for medical retirement was a mistake by the doctors.

Darius running and jumping on the court does not change the prognosis that doing so is a big risk for significant and permanent body damage.

 

[Ed O]

NOTHING has come up so far to disprove the doctors declaration.

No one is claiming that the declaration of qualification for medical retirement was a mistake by the doctors.

Darius running and jumping on the court does not change the prognosis that doing so is a big risk for significant and permanent body damage.

Agreed.

Note, though, that some people are using the medical declaration as a source of protection for the Blazers... like, because the doctors reported a certain way, Portland should be clear.

(This isn't directed at you, Masbee.) The doctors gave a prognosis that would allow a medical retirement. This prognosis, along with an absence of Miles from the NBA, allows the team certain privileges. The prognosis should not and cannot be viewed as a proscription of Miles's return.

The doctors did their job, and Portland was covered from that angle. Miles's return doesn't render the prognosis incorrect... just irrelevant.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

Miles gets paid his 18 million regardless.

Yes, but by Allen or an insurance company? There may be some insurance lawyers who see this as insurance fraud, which could complicate things.

 

[ucatchtrout]

Name one credible source that says Miles knee is medically sound.

Go ahead.

You can't.

The Blazers, the NBA, the Players Association all had doctors examine him.

All the Blazers have done is follow the process set forth by the league and the CBA, and the players association.

There is a process set forth in the CBA dealing with ‘career-ending injury’ . This is a 2-step process, that first gathers the medical data and derives a conclusion about the injury. The 2nd step is then to formally declare the player to have a career-ending injury. This then crosses the threshold into where the insurance on an “insured & Guaranteed contract” then absloves the team’s obligation for a percentage of the contract. There is also a provision within the section of the CBA allowing the salary of the player to be reoved from the team’s salary base.

That’s what has happened here. The Blazers have no control at all over what Miles does. They can’t compel him to ‘stay retired’. There is nothing about ‘retirement’ in that section of the CBA.

Darius Miles is not the Darius Miles Paul Allen gave 48 million dollars too. HIs knee has damaged cartilage and what one doctor described as the worst microfracture he'd seen. That is not going to change.

His knee is what it is.

Did the Grizzlies or the Celtics submit Miles to the same physical a team would if it were handing out a normal contract? I doubt it. They know what the condition of his knee is.

When you drive your car to the auto mechanic and he says get your car fixed now or it will break and you keep driving it you know you are driving on borrowed time and eventually your car WILL break.


Some people will. Some people won't. Darius doesn't care. And the Grizz and Celtics are obviously quite willing to exploit him to hurt Portland.

Nobodys willing to bet more than ten days on Darius. Nobody is offering him two or three year deals. It's because they know his knee is a time bomb waiting to explode. And the only ones who benefit from this are the teams who want Portland to have less salary cap flexibility than they currently do. And they are willing to exploit Darius to make this happen.

 

[MARIS61]

You have said this twice. Twice doesn't make it right.

NOTHING has come up so far to disprove the doctors declaration.

No one is claiming that the declaration of qualification for medical retirement was a mistake by the doctors.

Darius running and jumping on the court does not change the prognosis that doing so is a big risk for significant and permanent body damage.

Darius has demonstrated he can play, and play fairly well for someone as rusty as he is.

That is a direct contradiction from what the doctors were paid to say about him.

 

[ucatchtrout]

Darius has demonstrated he can play, and play fairly well for someone as rusty as he is.

That is a direct contradiction from what the doctors were paid to say about him.

No. It isn't.

Darius hasn't demonstrated anything. Haven't you noticed no one is willing to give him more than a ten day deal? It's because they know the knee could blow out at any time.

The transmission went out on my sons van last week. We can still drive it. But that doesn't mean it will be safe or reliable. It means if you get in the van you can indeed drive it. How far? For how long? Anybodys guess. It's certain it will cease to operate completely at some point. It's like that with Miles knee. Its not a question of IF. Its a question of WHEN, it will break.

The Blazers doctor.
The NBA doctor.
The NBAPA doctor.
As well as independant specialists all agreed about Miles knee. Unlikely they were all bribed, or "influenced" or mistaken. Evaluation of cartilage damage isn't something you can "get wrong". The MRI pictures and XRays we have today show every bit of everything inside the knee. I know. I've just had this done on my son and the quality of the images were nothing short of amazing.

 

[ucatchtrout]

If the Grizz examined Miles knee they know it is likely to break...sooner rather than later. Why didn't that bother them.

And if the didn't examine it. Why the hell not?

Obvious conclusion. They don't care about Miles or his knee. They want to play him to burn the Blazers....after that occurs they could care less.

 

[DaRizzle]

If the Grizz examined Miles knee they know it is likely to break...sooner rather than later. Why didn't that bother them.

And if the didn't examine it. Why the hell not?

Obvious conclusion. They don't care about Miles or his knee. They want to play him to burn the Blazers....after that occurs they could care less.

That is some cynical shit right there

 

[barfo]

No. It isn't.

Darius hasn't demonstrated anything. Haven't you noticed no one is willing to give him more than a ten day deal? It's because they know the knee could blow out at any time.

The transmission went out on my sons van last week. We can still drive it. But that doesn't mean it will be safe or reliable. It means if you get in the van you can indeed drive it. How far? For how long? Anybodys guess. It's certain it will cease to operate completely at some point. It's like that with Miles knee. Its not a question of IF. Its a question of WHEN, it will break.

The Blazers doctor.
The NBA doctor.
The NBAPA doctor.
As well as independant specialists all agreed about Miles knee. Unlikely they were all bribed, or "influenced" or mistaken. Evaluation of cartilage damage isn't something you can "get wrong". The MRI pictures and XRays we have today show every bit of everything inside the knee. I know. I've just had this done on my son and the quality of the images were nothing short of amazing.

Did they show his transmission?

barfo

 

[ucatchtrout]

Did they show his transmission?

barfo

barfo you are a bit of a rascal... my son has a mcl injury.

 

[MARIS61]

No. It isn't.

Darius hasn't demonstrated anything. Haven't you noticed no one is willing to give him more than a ten day deal? It's because they know the knee could blow out at any time.

So, just like the day before he first injured it, apparently.

There are no guarantees in life, except for the one where if he plays in ten games he's not considered a career-ending injury victim. The Blazers were arrogant enough to think they could get the league to freeze him out, and it's backfired on them.

Karma. Don't mess with it.

 

[ucatchtrout]

So I type into google...."fuck the memphis grizzlies"

Results 1 - 10 of about 19,300 for fuck the memphis grizzlies. (0.27 seconds

A link to this thread is the number one hit.

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[DaRizzle]

Dude....Jerry West hasnt been with MEM for over a year

 

[Nikolokolus]

Here's today's mind bender: Maybe Darius' knee is shot and he can still play? I've had two knee surgeries on the same knee and I still go out and do the same stupid shit that got me hurt in the first place (rock climbing), it hurts like hell at times and I'll probably have to get scoped and have scar tissue cleaned up at some point and I imagine I'll be using a cane when I'm in my seventies.

Miles having a fucked up knee doesn't mean the dude is a cripple and can't play, if he really wants to play this badly and still has some pro level hoop left in him who are the Grizzlies to deny him his opportunity? It's not like he's doing this without having been informed of the consequences by a doctor.

 

[DaRizzle]

Here's today's mind bender: Maybe Darius' knee is shot and he can still play? I've had two knee surgeries on the same knee and I still go out and do the same stupid shit that got me hurt in the first place (rock climbing), it hurts like hell at times and I'll probably have to get scoped and have scar tissue cleaned up at some point and I imagine I'll be using a cane when I'm in my seventies.

Miles having a fucked up knee doesn't mean the dude is a cripple and can't play, if he really wants to play this badly and still has some pro level hoop left in him who are the Grizzlies to deny him his opportunity? It's not like he's doing this without having been informed of the consequences by a doctor.

Get out of here with that crazy jibber jabber

 

[BrooklynBound]

Can't wait until the Blazers lose this lawsuit.

 

[drexlersdad]

i wouldnt be surprised if the blazers were granted some sort of amnesty in this case, but we will have to wait and see.

 

[drexlersdad]

Darius has demonstrated he can play, and play fairly well for someone as rusty as he is.

That is a direct contradiction from what the doctors were paid to say about him.

you are reaching wildly here, unless i am misunderstanding you. are you claiming that the NBA paid off the doctors to influence them towards saying it was a career ending injury? i understand that you want to express that you were right or something, but what?

wanna bet miles doesnt play in the NBA next season? ill even give you odds.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

you are reaching wildly here, unless i am misunderstanding you. are you claiming that the NBA paid off the doctors to influence them towards saying it was a career ending injury? i understand that you want to express that you were right or something, but what?

wanna bet miles doesnt play in the NBA next season? ill even give you odds.

hell, I bet he's not even playing in the CBA next season!

Miles doesn't love basketball, he loves the NBA lifestyle. That's why the $ isn't enough for him.

 

[Masbee]

Darius has demonstrated he can play, and play fairly well for someone as rusty as he is.

That is a direct contradiction from what the doctors were paid to say about him.

Wrong.

Fail.

You haven't said one sensible thing about this subject.

So silly, I wonder if you aren't just yanking our chains with your bizarre pronouncements about fraud and felony.

Crazy.

Most of the time I don't bother responding to your posts I disagree with. It would take all day.

 

[Blaze01]

Can't wait until the Blazers lose this lawsuit.

What lawsuit?

I was unaware that POR sued anyone yet?


and what is Miles going to sue for? POR impeding his right to work? Good luck with that one...I mean he is already getting paid $9 million for POR and now just resigned with MEM....yeah POR is REALLY impeding on his right to a livelyhood.....

stop trolling....

 

[PapaG]

Yes, but by Allen or an insurance company? There may be some insurance lawyers who see this as insurance fraud, which could complicate things.

Then they should be suing the NBA and the players' union. The Blazers didn't make the final call on this.

 

[PapaG]

Here's today's mind bender: Maybe Darius' knee is shot and he can still play? I've had two knee surgeries on the same knee and I still go out and do the same stupid shit that got me hurt in the first place (rock climbing), it hurts like hell at times and I'll probably have to get scoped and have scar tissue cleaned up at some point and I imagine I'll be using a cane when I'm in my seventies.

Miles having a fucked up knee doesn't mean the dude is a cripple and can't play, if he really wants to play this badly and still has some pro level hoop left in him who are the Grizzlies to deny him his opportunity? It's not like he's doing this without having been informed of the consequences by a doctor.

Another poster who has no clue what "career-ending injury" means as it applies to this situation.