The Case for Stretching Turner

[wizenheimer]

now, stay with me a little bit before trashing the idea, and yeah, I know Olshey wouldn't do it...probably

* Right now, the Blazers are around 130M (counting Little and Nurkic's 'likely' bonus) in guarantees and dead salary. Tax line is 132M and Apron is 138M, which is where the hard cap would be

* stretching Turner would drop Portland to around 117-118M in cap. That's at least a 20M margin between the cap and the Apron.

* That would free up the full-MLE (9.3M) and the BAE (3.6M)....I believe they can be both used. (can't use the BAE if you use the tax-MLE or Room-MLE)

so then, there could be options if you assume the Blazers let Aminu walk. For instance, use 7M of the MLE to re-sign Hood; then use the BAE to sign somebody like Vonleh to replace Aminu. Blazers would still be 10M below the Apron. They could then sign a couple of vet minimum deals that would add about 3.3-3.4M to the cap; and re-sign Layman for 3-4M (too much?). If they are worried about C they could sign somebody like Tyson Chandler, or Javale McGee, or Greg Monroe for one of the vet minimums. And if they are worried about a PG/facilitator maybe try to get a Derrick Rose or a Shelvin Mack. And if they wanted a punchline for all of us to use, they could sign Raymond Felton

or you could use the MLE on Kanter; still somebody like Vonleh (Kenneth Faried?) with the BAE. And then go after a forward with one of the vet minimum deals; somebody like Jeff Green or Wilson Chandler or Darius Miller or Jonas Jerebko.

Lots of options
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yeah, I know a 3 year stain of 6.2M on the cap might be too much. But I sure would like to not see Turner in a Blazer uniform next season, while seeing some remodeling of the rotation. He's the player Portland would miss least. I'm ambivalent about Aminu but I sure don't want him re-signed for 8-10M...and I wouldn't really miss him either

 

[B-Roy]

The best case for stretching Turner is that he won't play any minutes for the Blazers next year.

 

[riverman]

I wouldn't mind if we stretched him to about 7'3

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Sounds good to me. Just not having Turner is a win in and of itself. Being able to sign Hood or someone else is just gravy.

 

[wizenheimer]

I wouldn't mind if we stretched him to about 7'3

if Ray Felton was stretched that much, would he still look fat?

 

[Chris Craig]

if Ray Felton was stretched that much, would he still look fat?

Yes. That would be too much exertion on Felton

 

[Chris Craig]

If Neil can't move him, that would be a way to be abke to resign Curry, Hood, and Kanter, but the Blazers have just one year left of him. He will likely be gone at the deadline. Does ir really make since to keep him on the books? Blazers are still paying Varajaeo, Ezeli, and Nicholson.

 

[riverman]

if Ray Felton was stretched that much, would he still look fat?

no..his stomach would stay fat but he'd have a Terry Stotts neck and Bol Bol legs

 

[riverman]

If Neil can't move him, that would be a way to be abke to resign Curry, Hood, and Kanter, but the Blazers have just one year left of him. He will likely be gone at the deadline. Does ir really make since to keep him on the books? Blazers are still paying Varajaeo, Ezeli, and Nicholson.

Boston was really good with Turner...they've gone downhill since he left...I think they could take his contract on in a trade with other parts involved.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

No thanks, I rather just deal him at the deadline or during free agency.

 

[hoopsjock]

now, stay with me a little bit before trashing the idea, and yeah, I know Olshey wouldn't do it...probably

* Right now, the Blazers are around 130M (counting Little and Nurkic's 'likely' bonus) in guarantees and dead salary. Tax line is 132M and Apron is 138M, which is where the hard cap would be

* stretching Turner would drop Portland to around 117-118M in cap. That's at least a 20M margin between the cap and the Apron.

* That would free up the full-MLE (9.3M) and the BAE (3.6M)....I believe they can be both used. (can't use the BAE if you use the tax-MLE or Room-MLE)

so then, there could be options if you assume the Blazers let Aminu walk. For instance, use 7M of the MLE to re-sign Hood; then use the BAE to sign somebody like Vonleh to replace Aminu. Blazers would still be 10M below the Apron. They could then sign a couple of vet minimum deals that would add about 3.3-3.4M to the cap; and re-sign Layman for 3-4M (too much?). If they are worried about C they could sign somebody like Tyson Chandler, or Javale McGee, or Greg Monroe for one of the vet minimums. And if they are worried about a PG/facilitator maybe try to get a Derrick Rose or a Shelvin Mack. And if they wanted a punchline for all of us to use, they could sign Raymond Felton

or you could use the MLE on Kanter; still somebody like Vonleh (Kenneth Faried?) with the BAE. And then go after a forward with one of the vet minimum deals; somebody like Jeff Green or Wilson Chandler or Darius Miller or Jonas Jerebko.

Lots of options
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yeah, I know a 3 year stain of 6.2M on the cap might be too much. But I sure would like to not see Turner in a Blazer uniform next season, while seeing some remodeling of the rotation. He's the player Portland would miss least. I'm ambivalent about Aminu but I sure don't want him re-signed for 8-10M...and I wouldn't really miss him either

All you have to do is look at NY and LAL this summer to see why this is a horrible idea.

NY has a $6,431,667 salary hit the next 3 years. Without stretching Noah they could've possibly used his contract with young guys to match salary for an Anthony Davis type trade and still possibly have enough cap to sign two max guys on top of that. Now that $6+ million can't come off the books for any reason making it more difficult to sign two max free agents this summer.

LAL has the Deng $5 million cap hit the next 3 years which is the difference right now between being able to offer a 3rd max to pair with LeBron and AD and not coming close to it. Instead of absorbing the difference between Davis and the guys they sent out into cap space they could've made it a trade where they wouldn't have to renounce free agents and could've kept guys like KCP and Rondo easier.

Now I realize that Portland isn't in a position to have a max contract and that free agents aren't exactly flocking to come here but on the flip side doing what your suggesting doesn't necessarily make us that much better than last year. We'd lose the ability to use ET's salary in a trade which would make it hard to match the contract of a guy like Blake Griffin if he became available (I'm not saying ET has value).

I'd much rather offer say Trent (played for their G-League team last summer) and ET to Dallas for Courtney Lee or Atlanta for Miles Plumlee or find a way to do something similar where we not only free up money but also don't jeopardize flexibility next summer.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Didn't we already stretch a contract after the Crabbe trade? Can we have more than one stretch contract during the same CBA?

 

[Chris Craig]

Didn't we already stretch a contract after the Crabbe trade? Can we have more than one stretch contract during the same CBA?

Nicholson.

 

[Chris Craig]

Couldn't Neil techincally resign everyone then trade some combo of Turner/Meyers/Harkless at the deadline to get us under the tax?

 

[GhostOfPGA]

I think Turner+Trent for Bazemore makes a lot of sense for us and it gives Atlanta another young guy to work with. They could just buy Turner out and call it good, don’t think they’re gonna spend a lot of money this summer anyway. Would be nice of them to send Baze to a playoff team again too.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Didn't we already stretch a contract after the Crabbe trade? Can we have more than one stretch contract during the same CBA?

I think we stretched Varejao too?

 

[GhostOfPGA]

You know what I’d love from the new CBA? A rule stating you can buy a player out (pay whatever is left on their contract) WHENEVER and the second after their contract can be erased from your cap.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You know what I’d love from the new CBA? A rule stating you can buy a player out (pay whatever is left on their contract) WHENEVER and the second after their contract can be erased from your cap.

That would give large market franchises an even greater advantage.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

That would give large market franchises an even greater advantage.

I think it would give teams with owners not afraid to spend big money an advantage. Overall it gives advantages to players to make more money.

 

[BonesJones]

You know what I’d love from the new CBA? A rule stating you can buy a player out (pay whatever is left on their contract) WHENEVER and the second after their contract can be erased from your cap.

At any time? Thatd be horrible.

 

[BonesJones]

... there is none

 

[GhostOfPGA]

At any time? Thatd be horrible.

I mean, it would benefit everyone involved. Wouldn’t you like to have bought out ET 2 years ago? He gets paid, we get flexibility, and he gets to find somewhere else to play and make more money.

It’s almost like an amnesty rule, get out of jail free cards. Be nice to be able to get out from under an injured player or just a bad contract.

 

[Scalma]

While I’d love to not watch Evan Turner dribble a basketball in a blazers jersey ever again, I think I’d rather just bite the bullet for another season, or whenever he’s traded. I hope Neil at least replaces him in the rotation so he’s nothing more than a dude in a suit.

 

[BonesJones]

I mean, it would benefit everyone involved. Wouldn’t you like to have bought out ET 2 years ago? He gets paid, we get flexibility, and he gets to find somewhere else to play and make more money.

Itd be horrible. Itd create more superteams and big markets would have an even bigger advantage.

 

[hoopsjock]

Couldn't Neil techincally resign everyone then trade some combo of Turner/Meyers/Harkless at the deadline to get us under the tax?

Yes technically, but re-signing everyone likely gets us hard capped and therefore near impossible to do without staying under the tax apron. The only way that happens is if Kanter signed for the tax-MLE, Hood signed for $4.15 million, and Curry signed for like $3 million.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Itd be horrible. Itd create more superteams and big markets would have an even bigger advantage.

Add some restrictions to the rule then, say only one player a year per team can be bought out.

 

[hoopsjock]

I mean, it would benefit everyone involved. Wouldn’t you like to have bought out ET 2 years ago? He gets paid, we get flexibility, and he gets to find somewhere else to play and make more money.

It’s almost like an amnesty rule, get out of jail free cards. Be nice to be able to get out from under an injured player or just a bad contract.

The owners try to do the exact opposite in every CBA. Why would they want to pay a guy his full contract and then pay other players to get enough salary to field a team. This would cost the owners double in some situations.

The solution is to not sign players to stupid contracts to begin with. Teams shouldn't get off with little to no punishment for signing Evan Turner to $70 million.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Sends a bad message to FAs.
We have enough trouble signing FAs.
Neil won't do it.

#AlmostAHaiku

 

[BonesJones]

Add some restrictions to the rule then, say only one player a year per team can be bought out.

That doesnt do anything to fix it.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yes technically, but re-signing everyone likely gets us hard capped and therefore near impossible to do without staying under the tax apron. The only way that happens is if Kanter signed for the tax-MLE, Hood signed for $4.15 million, and Curry signed for like $3 million.

I could see that happening