The Cast for Jae-C

[e_blazer]

Without those 3 contracts on the books, the Blazers would be 6.5 mil under the cap. We'd simply need to cut Pat C in oder to free up enough space to absorb Jae Crowder's 6.8 mil contract. (or include Vonleh)

Or we could open up even more room by trading Davis/Harkless/Aminu who all have very tradeable contracts.

Those 3 simply aren't worth the boat anchors they are to our flexibility.

Not sure which three contacts you're talking about, but I assume you mean Turner, Crabbe and Leonard? You'd give up all three of those guys, including any future trade value those contracts represent, for Crowder? Wow.

 

[Sweetriverphil]

No thanks on Favors, he's not a winner/he's an underachiever; I'd much rather have what we've already got in our pf by committee.

It's a risk for sure. I think he's unhappy with his situation in Utah though, so I'm assuming he could turn it around with a new team. A Nurkic/Favors front court would be stout. Like a dark Irish stout.

I wouldn't pay a bunch for him though. No first round picks or anything.

 

[dviss1]

I was hoping the blazers might end up with favors if the jazz start selling off pieces.

He's always injured.

 

[RR7]

I could see it actually. They are losing GH and they could look at it as an opportunity to rebuild around Gobert. Getting rid of Favors as well will not make them better obviously, but could give them some caproom next year and a better pick to start a rebuild. And with Favors' injury problems (there have been a lot), it might make sense to not have money anchored on him if they aren't competing. Think of it a as a mini - "trust the process" scenario.

Favors is expiring, wouldn't make sense to include him.

 

[Sweetriverphil]

He's always injured.

It's an elevation thing. Get him to around sea level and he'll be a star. Plus all that salt can't be good for your soft tissue.

 

[GDiama]

I don't integrand how they could get Favors. They need to shed ~$3M and would instead get add $6M. Even if they gave up Bradley in that deal they'd still have to add Smart, Brown, or Rozier. I doubt they do that.

Yep, one problem they have is their salaries are very low. Seems unreal.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Maybe Portland could have pulled this off if they had simply carried over the cap room. You never know what opportunities will arise. So tired of the fools on this message board that are like, "But we couldn't have used it anyway...."

Would you mind explaining this in more detail for me? We had cap space to spend and after we spent it we signed CJ to extension. If we had rolled cap space forward and not used it - it would have been used by the extension on July 1 this year.

We signed E Turner for $16.0M, matched Crabbe's contract at $17.0M, signed Leonard for $9.0M, Harkless for $9.0M, and finally Ezeli for $7.0M. They played games with the official order of the signings and re-signings to get it all to work. I remember that Ezeli was the last fit by a dollar! : )

If we'd "rolled it forward" we'd have eaten all of it with CJ's extension of $23.96M on July 1. We'd be over the cap by $10+M. No room to sign anyone just like today.

Please explain.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Would you mind explaining this in more detail for me? We had cap space to spend and after we spent it we signed CJ to extension. If we had rolled cap space forward and not used it - it would have been used by the extension on July 1 this year.

We signed E Turner for $16.0M, matched Crabbe's contract at $17.0M, signed Leonard for $9.0M, Harkless for $9.0M, and finally Ezeli for $7.0M. They played games with the official order of the signings and re-signings to get it all to work. I remember that Ezeli was the last fit by a dollar! : )

If we'd "rolled it forward" we'd have eaten all of it with CJ's extension of $23.96M on July 1. We'd be over the cap by $10+M. No room to sign anyone just like today.

Please explain.

Even being over the cap, if we weren't over the apron ($4m over the tax line) we'd be able to accept 150% of outgoing salary in trade instead of 125%. So (for example) the suggested Vonleh/Connaughton for Crowder deal that presently doesn't work under the CBA because of our tax position would be possible if we hadnt signed Turner and matched Crabbe last summer.

That's the point of those lamenting those deals. Its not that we necessarily would have preserved "cap space", but flexibility that we presently don't have.

 

[Sinobas]

Would you mind explaining this in more detail for me? We had cap space to spend and after we spent it we signed CJ to extension. If we had rolled cap space forward and not used it - it would have been used by the extension on July 1 this year.

We signed E Turner for $16.0M, matched Crabbe's contract at $17.0M, signed Leonard for $9.0M, Harkless for $9.0M, and finally Ezeli for $7.0M. They played games with the official order of the signings and re-signings to get it all to work. I remember that Ezeli was the last fit by a dollar! : )

If we'd "rolled it forward" we'd have eaten all of it with CJ's extension of $23.96M on July 1. We'd be over the cap by $10+M. No room to sign anyone just like today.

Please explain.

Blazers current cap figure
138.1

Blazers Cap figure minus Leonard, Crabbe and Turner's contracts
138.1 -18.5 - 17.1 - 9.9 = 92.6

NBA Salary Cap 99.1

99.1 - 92.6 = +6.5 million

 

[Orion Bailey]

Is He injured? I dont want a guy in a cast on the team....

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't integrand how they could get Favors. They need to shed ~$3M and would instead get add $6M. Even if they gave up Bradley in that deal they'd still have to add Smart, Brown, or Rozier. I doubt they do that.

It's obviously a bigger trade than just the one-for-one in that case.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[TBpup]

I'm just going to pretend Neil is working on this OT and figuring out a way to get this done that also moves out one of our bad contracts. If that happens to go with Dame/CJ/Nurk and whichever of Vonleh/Collins/Swanigan wins the PF battle.

That would move the needle IMO.

 

[Rhal]

Blazers current cap figure
138.1

Blazers Cap figure minus Leonard, Crabbe and Turner's contracts
138.1 -18.5 - 17.1 - 9.9 = 92.6

NBA Salary Cap 99.1

99.1 - 92.6 = +6.5 million

Yah were under the cap, we can maybe absorb a decent player but we would have to give up at least a pick. That is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better then having Leonard/Crabbe/Turner especially when it doesn't happen and we end up spending that money on a player who won't provide quality minutes off the bench since no one coming for 6.5m is going to provide a quality 15-20m a night.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Yah were under the cap, we can maybe absorb a decent player but we would have to give up at least a pick. That is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better then having Leonard/Crabbe/Turner especially when it doesn't happen and we end up spending that money on a player who won't provide quality minutes off the bench since no one coming for 6.5m is going to provide a quality 15-20m a night.

This doesnt take into account the two first round picks, and the cap holds for a full 15 man roster, so virtually 0 cap space

 

[Rhal]

This doesnt take into account the two first round picks, and the cap holds for a full 15 man roster, so virtually 0 cap space

So this doesn't even work, that is great lol

 

[Sinobas]

This doesnt take into account the two first round picks, and the cap holds for a full 15 man roster, so virtually 0 cap space

Those figures do take into account the 2 first round picks, and Varejeo's 2 mil and Ezeli's 1 mil. The Blazers have no other "holds", nor is there a "cap hold for a full 15 man roster".

The cap hold you might be thinking of is for 12 players, and the blazers would have 12 players on their roster sans those 3. Even if the Blazers were under the 12 person mark, that "hold" would be intended to sign other players, so you can use the hold for it's intended purpose.

So wow, your post was like a triple fail. Thanks for wasting my time in making me correct you.

 

[Sinobas]

Yah were under the cap, we can maybe absorb a decent player but we would have to give up at least a pick. That is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better then having Leonard/Crabbe/Turner especially when it doesn't happen and we end up spending that money on a player who won't provide quality minutes off the bench since no one coming for 6.5m is going to provide a quality 15-20m a night.

Jae Crowder would...you know...the player that this thread is about. You also blithely ignore how we'd be in position to have a lot of cap space next year with all our expirings.

Now we are simply in a bad position, where we're trying to get rid of contracts to avoid the luxury tax.

 

[TBpup]

With the Bradley/Morris trade, that created $3.8M in Cap Space so now the Celtics can sign Hayward. They don't need to move Crowder anymore AND they got their PF.

Basically /thread. Damn, is Neil on vacation?

 

[BonesJones]

With the Bradley/Morris trade, that created $3.8M in Cap Space so now the Celtics can sign Hayward. They don't need to move Crowder anymore AND they got their PF.

Basically /thread. Damn, is Neil on vacation?

Nah, I think he's just sleeping.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

One other point (and not to start any nastiness), but EVERY GM in the league would fill out a full roster of players each year. N.O., even if he hadn't matched on Crabbe and re-signed both Leonard and Harkless....would have signed another couple of players FOR DEPTH.

So the idea that we would have had "X" cap space is bogus. We would have been just over the cap and stuck ONLY signing minimum level players instead of the production we got from Crabbe, Harkless (Starter for many games), and Leonard.

I just think its too much to overlook and second guess this. That's all.

 

[BonesJones]

One other point (and not to start any nastiness), but EVERY GM in the league would fill out a full roster of players each year. N.O., even if he hadn't matched on Crabbe and re-signed both Leonard and Harkless....would have signed another couple of players FOR DEPTH.

So the idea that we would have had "X" cap space is bogus. We would have been just over the cap and stuck ONLY signing minimum level players instead of the production we got from Crabbe, Harkless (Starter for many games), and Leonard.

I just think its too much to overlook and second guess this. That's all.

Ptofuction we got from Leonard???

We could've signed one yesr deals, then traded away Davis and Aminu and had $20M in cap space.

 

[Sinobas]

One other point (and not to start any nastiness), but EVERY GM in the league would fill out a full roster of players each year. N.O., even if he hadn't matched on Crabbe and re-signed both Leonard and Harkless....would have signed another couple of players FOR DEPTH.

So the idea that we would have had "X" cap space is bogus. We would have been just over the cap and stuck ONLY signing minimum level players instead of the production we got from Crabbe, Harkless (Starter for many games), and Leonard.

I just think its too much to overlook and second guess this. That's all.

If we had "punted", we'd have filled out the roster with 1 year deals though...maybe some with 2nd year team options. Not lucrative multi-year contracts.

 

[riverman]

Nah, I think he's just sleeping.

Nah....he calls GMS and says, "Meyers is ...( click...dial tone)

 

[Sweetriverphil]

Who could we have gotten on a one year deal last year? Just Leonard and Harkless? How many roster spots are you planning to fill with 20 million in cap space?

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Seems to me that this was also the pivotal point where PA and NO said....no more relying on Free Agents to maybe sign here....instead lets do everything possible to gain the best player we can through the draft (either taking at our given number or making trades to get better pick and also through buying picks), and by making trades we can control. BUT...relying less on free agency.

That's what I hear him saying at nearly every press conference when he says "the process".

 

[Nikolokolus]

Seems to me that this was also the pivotal point where PA and NO said....no more relying on Free Agents to maybe sign here....instead lets do everything possible to gain the best player we can through the draft (either taking at our given number or making trades to get better pick and also through buying picks), and by making trades we can control. BUT...relying less on free agency.

That's what I hear him saying at nearly every press conference when he says "the process".

If that was legitimately ever Olshey's grand strategy, Allen should have fired had ass on the spot.

 

[riverman]

Seems to me that this was also the pivotal point where PA and NO said....no more relying on Free Agents to maybe sign here....instead lets do everything possible to gain the best player we can through the draft (either taking at our given number or making trades to get better pick and also through buying picks), and by making trades we can control. BUT...relying less on free agency.

That's what I hear him saying at nearly every press conference when he says "the process".

but guaranteed the first word of his conference is.."look, we're not making a move just to make a move".....it's an old magician's trick

 

[dviss1]

With the Bradley/Morris trade, that created $3.8M in Cap Space so now the Celtics can sign Hayward. They don't need to move Crowder anymore AND they got their PF.

Basically /thread. Damn, is Neil on vacation?

How do we know this? I hate this assumption that if we didn't get what we want that NO's not doing his job. We all know his work doesn't get leaked.