Game Thread The Debate! Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris!

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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Well, my retirement accounts made more in the past year than they did in 4 years of Trump World. The stock market is currently at levels Trump could only dream of. The inflation that was instigated by the Trump Administration (and admittedly juiced by Biden) is finally on the wane, with interest rates already starting to come down. All that right there says we're better off than we were four years ago. Pretty damn hard to ignore.
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Why couldn't she just say that ... why does she go into 'word salad' mode and not give an honest answer.
 
riverman said:
For context in the US there were just under 123 million people in 1930 and 323 million or so in 2020.
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You want people to use actual context in this forum ... are you sure you know who you're talking to?
 
Strenuus said:
If you don't think we are better off (generally speaking) then that's a you problem. Lol. Only brainwashed people think we arent.
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It's not about what I think ... it's about how she can speak to people and give straight answers. She doesn't do that, she goes into 'word salad' mode and just starts rambling.
 
barfo said:
Yeah, her first answer was weak. But the rest of the debate, her answers were strong (minus the time late in the debate when she tried to rephrase her first answer and it still didn't work). Out of a 90+ minute debate, she had 3-4 minutes of clunkers. Out of a 90+ minute debate, Trump didn't manage 3-4 minutes of even mediocre moments.

barfo
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That's cool ... I'm glad she did better later on but I work 70 hours a week and wasting two hours of it on that nonsense wasn't going to happen. In news we work on the lede and hooking people right away, she lost me and he was never going to interest me.
 
bigbailes said:
It's not about what I think ... it's about how she can speak to people and give straight answers. She doesn't do that, she goes into 'word salad' mode and just starts rambling.
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You’re right. Trump is much more concise. I especially thought his plan to make child care affordable was very thorough and pertinent.

Almost make me second guess why I’m voting for Harris.
 
MickZagger said:
You’re right. Trump is much more concise. I especially thought his plan to make child care affordable was very thorough and pertinent.

Almost make me second guess why I’m voting for Harris.
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While I laugh at the whole TDS thing the right (and some posters here) like to throw around, but some of you can't have any conversation about her without defaulting to him. I could care less about him, he's a former president that is hopefully sliding out of this race. Stick to what she does or doesn't do for just one post without defaulting to him.
 
bigbailes said:
While I laugh at the whole TDS thing the right (and some posters here) like to throw around, but some of you can't have any conversation about her without defaulting to him. I could care less about him, he's a former president that is hopefully sliding out of this race. Stick to what she does or doesn't do for just one post without defaulting to him.
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He's the alternative, so you should care. She's light years better.
 
bigbailes said:
While I laugh at the whole TDS thing the right (and some posters here) like to throw around, but some of you can't have any conversation about her without defaulting to him. I could care less about him, he's a former president that is hopefully sliding out of this race. Stick to what she does or doesn't do for just one post without defaulting to him.
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It’s a two horse race.

Why minimize one candidate about something that the other candidate is even worse at.

Trump flip flops on stance’s daily. His answers to questions are incoherent. He talks crazy at rallies and people leave. But she gets called out for ‘word salad’. It’s comical.
 
noknobs said:
He's the alternative, so you should care. She's light years better.
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I really don't think they are all that different in the end, honest to God they're both centre-right candidates. She spent a lot of the debate pitching herself as a 2000s Republican (as she did in her DNC speech) with the endorsement of Dick Cheney. And sort of scoffed at the idea of peace in Ukraine and elsewhere, which is pretty typical Project For A New American Century neo-con behavior. Again, I personally think she won the debate because her opponent was riffing on air frying Geese in Canton. Her policy is thin and she defaults to platitudes to fill in the gaps, Trump goes the rambling route. If you're really emotionally invested in stopping imaginary fascist dictatorships from forming, or watching a Tajikstani conscript shoot himself in a ditch in Ukraine after a drone strike, Kamala Harris is definitely worth getting excited about. But neither candidate is for me.
 
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bulls_with_booz said:
I really don't think they are all that different in the end, honest to God they're both centre-right candidates. She spent a lot of the debate pitching herself as a 2000s Republican (as she did in her DNC speech) with the endorsement of Dick Cheney. And sort of scoffed at the idea of peace in Ukraine and elsewhere, which is pretty typical Project For A New American Century neo-con behavior. Again, I personally think she won the debate because her opponent was riffing on air frying Geese in Canton. Her policy is thin and she defaults to platitudes to fill in the gaps, Trump goes the rambling route. If you're really emotionally invested in stopping imaginary fascist dictatorships from forming, or watching a Tajikstani conscript shoot himself in a ditch in Ukraine after a drone strike, Kamala Harris is definitely worth getting excited about. But neither candidate is for me.
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Trump is center right? - In what world?
 
bigbailes said:
You want people to use actual context in this forum ... are you sure you know who you're talking to?
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I bet you've taken a statistics class in college. What she said was higher, not higher rate. Context can be subjective. I've earned a higher rate on my dogecoin but a higher return on my bitcoin. I can make factual arguments for either coin and that wouldn't make either argument wrong.
 
Kano John said:
Trump is center right? - In what world?
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In ours? He is a typical GOP candidate with this populist coat of paint that never delivers on anything. Both Kamala Harris and Donald Trump want to expand ICE, are pro cop, pro Israel, and have no actual interest in price controls etc. They aren't all that different from each other, and would be in the same party in Europe. America leans right by default in comparison to most of the world.
 
“KAMALA SHOULD FOCUS ON WHAT SHE SHOULD HAVE DONE DURING THE LAST ALMOST FOUR YEAR PERIOD. THERE WILL BE NO THIRD DEBATE!”

~Trump posted on Truth Social.

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bulls_with_booz said:
In ours? He is a typical GOP candidate with this populist coat of paint that never delivers on anything. Both Kamala Harris and Donald Trump want to expand ICE, are pro cop, pro Israel, and have no actual interest in price controls etc. They aren't all that different from each other, and would be in the same party in Europe. America leans right by default in comparison to most of the world.
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There are so many things that they differ on that you don't mention. Trump is anti abortion, Harris is for women's right to choose. Trump promotes pro business economics and tax cuts that benefit the wealthy - Harris promotes policies that benefit the middle class & blue collar workers. Trump doesn't believe in global warming and Harris is strongly for low pollutant alternative energy. Trump wants to eradicate the affordable care act and Harris wants to build on it. These are just a few of the differences that matter to me and why I would never vote for Trump.
 
bulls_with_booz said:
In ours? He is a typical GOP candidate with this populist coat of paint that never delivers on anything. Both Kamala Harris and Donald Trump want to expand ICE, are pro cop, pro Israel, and have no actual interest in price controls etc. They aren't all that different from each other, and would be in the same party in Europe. America leans right by default in comparison to most of the world.
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What typical GOP candidate tries to stop the certification of the election and promises to try to suspend the Constitution for a day?
 
Kano John said:
There are so many things that they differ on that you don't mention. Trump is anti abortion, Harris is for women's right to choose. Trump promotes pro business economics and tax cuts that benefit the wealthy - Harris promotes policies that benefit the middle class & blue collar workers. Trump doesn't believe in global warming and Harris is strongly for low pollutant alternative energy. Trump wants to eradicate the affordable care act and Harris wants to build on it. These are just a few of the differences that matter to me and why I would never vote for Trump.
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Trump goes states rights on the abortion issue, which appeals to the Ron Paul bumper sticker I have somewhere in storage, but personally, it's hardly been worth the division. The country had far more important issues than abortion. I've seen the Biden economy, and the wealthy do just fine, as the cost of living increases and QoL decreases for the middle class. I think a Trump administration tax cut binge will cause a 6 month or so boom period before we crawl back to start, both candidates will be a net positive for the wealthy and accumulate massive debt. Kamala openly boasts a Goldman Sachs endorsement, just to show how the party lines have blurred.
PCmor7 said:
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This is the uniparty stuff I'm talking about, the merging of the old guard Pelosi, Schumer type of Democrat and the leftovers of the Bush era against any sort of populist candidate, even if it's just a rerun of a bluffing pot stirrer. Rove makes a good point about the debate too, it's not like he's wrong.
PCmor7 said:
What typical GOP candidate tries to stop the certification of the election and promises to try to suspend the Constitution for a day?
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Tries, promises, rarely does. That has defined Donald Trump for me. His administration was an ineffective clusterfuck. He cares as much about his majority white, poor, uneducated base as a Goldman Sachs executive.
 
bigbailes said:
Why couldn't she just say that ... why does she go into 'word salad' mode and not give an honest answer.
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Because she's a politician. 90% of the word solid from that debate came from Trump.

I am not a fan of Kamala Harris. She's such an improvement over Trump that it's almost not quantifiable.
 
bulls_with_booz said:
Trump goes states rights on the abortion issue, which appeals to the Ron Paul bumper sticker I have somewhere in storage, but personally, it's hardly been worth the division. The country had far more important issues than abortion. I've seen the Biden economy, and the wealthy do just fine, as the cost of living increases and QoL decreases for the middle class. I think a Trump administration tax cut binge will cause a 6 month or so boom period before we crawl back to start, both candidates will be a net positive for the wealthy and accumulate massive debt. Kamala openly boasts a Goldman Sachs endorsement, just to show how the party lines have blurred.

This is the uniparty stuff I'm talking about, the merging of the old guard Pelosi, Schumer type of Democrat and the leftovers of the Bush era against any sort of populist candidate, even if it's just a rerun of a bluffing pot stirrer. Rove makes a good point about the debate too, it's not like he's wrong.

Tries, promises, rarely does. That has defined Donald Trump for me. His administration was an ineffective clusterfuck. He cares as much about his majority white, poor, uneducated base as a Goldman Sachs executive.
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This has all been the case since at least Clinton. Both parties are anti-middle class in that they are beholden to the wealthy.

Republicans far more so than Democrats. But Democrats aren't our friends either, IMO.
 
bulls_with_booz said:
Trump goes states rights on the abortion issue, which appeals to the Ron Paul bumper sticker I have somewhere in storage, but personally, it's hardly been worth the division. The country had far more important issues than abortion. I've seen the Biden economy, and the wealthy do just fine, as the cost of living increases and QoL decreases for the middle class. I think a Trump administration tax cut binge will cause a 6 month or so boom period before we crawl back to start, both candidates will be a net positive for the wealthy and accumulate massive debt. Kamala openly boasts a Goldman Sachs endorsement, just to show how the party lines have blurred.

This is the uniparty stuff I'm talking about, the merging of the old guard Pelosi, Schumer type of Democrat and the leftovers of the Bush era against any sort of populist candidate, even if it's just a rerun of a bluffing pot stirrer. Rove makes a good point about the debate too, it's not like he's wrong.

Tries, promises, rarely does. That has defined Donald Trump for me. His administration was an ineffective clusterfuck. He cares as much about his majority white, poor, uneducated base as a Goldman Sachs executive.
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Um, he actually incited a mob to attack the Capitol and let it go on for several hours. He DID that. The attempt was unsuccessful, but the attempt was carried out.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This has all been the case since at least Clinton. Both parties are anti-middle class in that they are beholden to the wealthy.

Republicans far more so the Democrats. But Democrats aren't our friends either, IMO.
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I am far more concerned with the future of the Democrat party, because they've repositioned themselves as the party of the elite, without any real discretion on who comes aboard. Romney, McCain, Bush, Cheney, whoever. I have little faith in MAGA without Trump, J.D Vance is woefully ineffective, and the Thiel's of the world have their own agenda that will move on from Trumpism if it's a proven failure. You can just tell too with these bad AI social media posts of cats wielding AR-15s that MAGA is winding down as a cultural phenomenon.
 
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PCmor7 said:
Um, he actually incited a mob to attack the Capitol and let it go on for several hours. He DID that. The attempt was unsuccessful, but the attempt was carried out.
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He started a bar fight and ran out the back door as his most goofy supporters turned the capitol into a clown show. I honestly feel bad for the people stupid enough to protest on his behalf. Nobody will ever convince me that such a farce of an event was this 12 9/11s at once. 75 year old dementia patients and a guy running around dressed as a viking. A real threat to Democracy that was...
 
bulls_with_booz said:
I am far more concerned with the future of the Democrat party, because they've repositioned themselves as the party of the elite, without any real discretion on who comes aboard. Romney, McCain, Bush, Cheney, whoever. I have little faith in MAGA without Trump, J.D Vance is woefully ineffective, and the Thiel's of the world have their own agenda that will move on from Trumpism if it's a proven failure. You can just tell too with these bad AI social media posts of cats wielding AR-15s that MAGA is winding down as a cultural phenomenon.
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Until we get serious about getting the influence of money out of politics or at least mitigating that risk I don't have much faith for either party.
 
bulls_with_booz said:
He started a bar fight and ran out the back door as his most goofy supporters turned the capitol into a clown show. I honestly feel bad for the people stupid enough to protest on his behalf. Nobody will ever convince me that such a farce of an event was this 12 9/11s at once. 75 year old dementia patients and a guy running around dressed as a viking. A real threat to Democracy that was...
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Interesting.

More than a hundred cops injured. Several deaths. People armed and carrying zip ties. MAGA legislators running for their lives.

The people in the middle of it sure seemed to feel it was a real threat.
 
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