Game Thread The Debate! Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris!

[Haakzilla]

 

[MickZagger]

You could take someone who is completely clueless about American politics and doesn’t even understand English. Have them watch the debate and they’d tell you Trump lost in a landslide.

The optics of that debate were just great.

 

[MickZagger]

Matt Gaetz and Nikki Haley prepped Trump for the debate...man did they stink it up

The fact he had Matt ‘freaking’ Gaetz prep his debate shows how horrible his judgement is.

 

[bigbailes]

I tried to watch today, the first question asked of her "Do you think the country is better off now than four years ago when you and Biden took office?" Her response "I was raised as a middle class kid ..." not even coming close to answering the question and then he starts rambling on about migrants and them coming from jails etc ... that was enough for me. Not wasting any more of my time on either of those clowns.

 

[MickZagger]

I tried to watch today, the first question asked of her "Do you think the country is better off now than four years ago when you and Biden took office?" Her response "I was raised as a middle class kid ..." not even coming close to answering the question and then he starts rambling on about migrants and them coming from jails etc ... that was enough for me. Not wasting any more of my time on either of those clowns.

She went on to talk about how she was raised middle class and realizes it’s important to have a healthy middle class in our country. Then outlined what she proposed to make the middle class stronger.

Keep up…

 

[crandc]

I tried to watch today, the first question asked of her "Do you think the country is better off now than four years ago when you and Biden took office?" Her response "I was raised as a middle class kid ..." not even coming close to answering the question and then he starts rambling on about migrants and them coming from jails etc ... that was enough for me. Not wasting any more of my time on either of those clowns.

To bad because about one minute later Harris answered precisely that question.

 

[Chris Craig]

Matt Gaetz and Nikki Haley prepped Trump for the debate...man did they stink it up

When I heard Gaetz was prepping him I laughed.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I tried to watch today, the first question asked of her "Do you think the country is better off now than four years ago when you and Biden took office?" Her response "I was raised as a middle class kid ..." not even coming close to answering the question and then he starts rambling on about migrants and them coming from jails etc ... that was enough for me. Not wasting any more of my time on either of those clowns.

My wife was watching while I was out working. She basically gave me the identical viewpoint.

To bad because about one minute later Harris answered precisely that question.

Can you point to me in this quote where Harris answered the question of whether Americans are better off today than four years ago? To me, it looks like her response was all about her plan for the future.

So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

 

[Chris Craig]

She went on to talk about how she was raised middle class and realizes it’s important to have a healthy middle class in our country. Then outlined what she proposed to make the middle class stronger.

Keep up…

I do think she could have been more to the point. Just say hell yeah, I do. Did you see his so called presidency?

 

[MickZagger]

I tried to watch today, the first question asked of her "Do you think the country is better off now than four years ago when you and Biden took office?" Her response "I was raised as a middle class kid ..." not even coming close to answering the question and then he starts rambling on about migrants and them coming from jails etc ... that was enough for me. Not wasting any more of my time on either of those clowns.

Que it up to about 48 seconds in. Don’t be lazy.

 

[MickZagger]

My wife was watching while I was out working. She basically gave me the identical viewpoint.


Can you point to me in this quote where Harris answered the question of whether Americans are better off today than four years ago? To me, it looks like her response was all about her plan for the future.

I’m better off than I was 4 years ago. In literally every facet of my life.

People who want to blame Biden on inflation have no idea how we got there in the first place, or what caused it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I’m better off than I was 4 years ago. In literally every facet of my life.

People who want to blame Biden on inflation have no idea how we got there in the first place, or what caused it.

I'm not disputing that. I was only talking about Harris' non-response to the question. Could you help me identify the part of her quote that was actually an answer?

 

[MickZagger]

I'm not disputing that. I was only talking about Harris' non-response to the question. Could you help me identify the part of her quote that was actually an answer?

That’s fine. But why is she held to a different standard. She should’ve said it was caused by a once in a century pandemic that completely destroyed the supply chain worldwide. But to most with a clue that is obvious.

Trump has no standards. He never answers question that he’s asked directly, word salads into stuff that aren’t pertinent and it’s hardly scrutinized. It’s just Trump being Trump.

 

[MickZagger]

Trump supporters want to act like Trump isn’t given a fair shake.

There never has been, nor will there ever be a candidate for the United States presidency that could get away with the stupid, incoherent, nonsense that he spews and still be considered a qualified candidate.

He deserves every little bit of scrutiny that he gets his way. I think overall he gets it pretty fair from the mainstream media considering the level of stupid that he says and does.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That’s fine. But why is she held to a different standard. She should’ve said it was caused by a once in a century pandemic that completely destroyed the supply chain worldwide. But to most with a clue that is obvious.

Trump has no standards. He never answers question that he’s asked directly, word salads into stuff that aren’t pertinent and it’s hardly scrutinized. It’s just Trump being Trump.

Trump certainly does a terrible job of answering questions. Like he was completely unwilling to answer the direct question of whether he'd veto a nationwide abortion ban, and kept trying to pivot to talking about student loans.

That said, @crandc stated that Harris answered the question, and you implied it with your post with the youtube clip. I'm simply looking for clarification on your perspective regarding Harris' response. To me, it seemed like an odd start to a debate, to answer the very first question posed with something almost entirely unrelated.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Kamala Harris Broke Donald Trump

Last night in Philadelphia, Kamala Harris did to Donald Trump what Donald Trump had done to Joe Biden: She broke her opponent on a debate stage.

I’ve been watching presidential debates since 1976, and I’ve even been peripherally involved in a few. And I’ve never seen a candidate execute a debate strategy as well as Harris did.

The night, for Harris supporters, went better than even the most optimistic among them could have hoped. For Trump supporters, it was not just a defeat but a public humiliation, the crushing comeuppance they probably secretly feared might one day arrive but, until now, never quite had.

What Harris appeared to understand, better than anyone else who has debated Trump, is that the key to defeating him is to trigger him psychologically. She did it by repeatedly calling him “weak,” mocking him, acting bemused by him, and literally laughing at him. As he lost control of events, Trump became enraged, his voice bellowing into an empty room, his face not just orange but nearly fluorescent. Trump realized that his opponent—and not just any opponent, but a woman of color—was dominating him. And so even as Trump exploded, he was, like a dying supernova, shrinking before our eyes.

Even so devoted a bootlicker as Senator Lindsey Graham declared the debate a “disaster” for the ex-president.

Trump needed to paint himself as the agent of change, to fuse Harris to Biden, and to make the vice president defend her most extreme past statements. Instead, Harris forced Trump to go on the defensive, wandering into the worst possible terrain for him.

Over the course of debate, Trump defended the violent mob that had attacked the Capitol. He insisted that the 2020 election had been stolen from him. He relitigated his slander of the Central Park Five. He defended his decision to invite the Taliban to Camp David and invoked Hungary’s authoritarian leader, Viktor Orbán, as a character witness. He couldn’t bring himself to say that he hopes Ukraine will win its war against Russia, even when pressed. And he spent valuable time emphatically insisting that the multiple indictments against him are “fake cases.”

But that’s not all. Trump savaged people he had appointed to his administration who have since broken with him. He repeated his claim that Harris wasn’t Black. And then there was the pièce de résistance: Trump spreading the conspiracy theory, weird even by his standards, that in Springfield, Ohio, Haitian migrants are abducting and devouring their neighbors’ pets. “They’re eating the dogs!” he roared. “The people that came in—they’re eating the cats!” And he still couldn’t stop himself. When one of the moderators, ABC’s David Muir, rebutted Trump’s claim, the former president said, “I’ve seen people on television! People on television say, ‘My dog was taken and used for food!’”

By the debate’s end, it was easy to forget that Trump had started reasonably well—he was, by his standards, fairly controlled and focused—and Harris was nervous. It looked like it might end in a draw.

But about 15 minutes into the debate, things began to change. Harris taunted Trump about his rallies: “What you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.” Trump could not stop himself; he rose to take the bait. “People don’t leave my rallies,” he insisted. “We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies, in the history of politics.”

Harris began to find her rhythm, launching a series of withering attacks, and Trump started to unravel. His countenance darkened, and the volume of his voice rose. He became less coherent and more insulting. His rhetoric became more extreme, at times taking flight from reality. He spoke in sentences that grew clipped, and sometimes barely comprehensible. Half an hour into the debate, Harris was not only in control; she seemed to be having fun. Trump looked desolate and furious. Harris made him see “matador red,” in the words of The New York Times’ Matt Flegenheimer. Trump never laid a glove on her.

Donald Trump is so feral and narcissistic, so unrestrained and so outside the norm of American politics, that he’s difficult to debate. It’s disorienting. Very few people have been able to stand up to him without being pulled into the muck. In the past, even when he lost debates on points, he dominated his opponents.

But on a Tuesday night in Philadelphia, Kamala Harris cracked the code. She took Trump apart without losing her composure. She worked to insulate herself against charges that she’s a left-wing radical, even reminding voters that she’s a gun owner. Harris succeeded in presenting herself, a sitting vice president in an unpopular administration, as the change agent. She appealed to unity, inviting Americans to “turn the page” on a man who belittles the country and seeks to keep it in a constant state of agitation and chaos. And she returned time and again to the argument that Trump cares only for himself, whereas during her career, she’s had only one client: the people.

“As a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness, ‘Are you a Republican or a Democrat?’” Harris said in her closing statement. “The only thing I ever asked them: ‘Are you okay?’ And that’s the kind of president we need right now. Someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.”

Two minutes later, after a closing statement in which Trump referred to America as “a failing nation,” he exited the stage, into the shadows, a broken man atop a broken campaign.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news/content/ar-AA1qo7GB

 

[MickZagger]

So defensive.

Not really.

I just don’t feel like with her limited time to speak about the topic that pointing out what caused inflation needed to be addressed. We know what happened. We all lived it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Not really.

I just don’t feel like with her limited time to speak about the topic that pointing out what caused inflation needed to be addressed. We know what happened. We all lived it.

The question had nothing to do with causes of inflation. She was asked: "Vice President Harris, you and President Trump (he meant Biden, obvs) were elected four years ago and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago? When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?"

 

[MickZagger]

Trump certainly does a terrible job of answering questions. Like he was completely unwilling to answer the direct question of whether he'd veto a nationwide abortion ban, and kept trying to pivot to talking about student loans.

That said, @crandc stated that Harris answered the question, and you implied it with your post with the youtube clip. I'm simply looking for clarification on your perspective regarding Harris' response. To me, it seemed like an odd start to a debate, to answer the very first question posed with something almost entirely unrelated.

I’m still waiting for him to address why he killed the immigration bill.

He’ll never answer it and never has. It’s because he wanted to use the issue to politicize rather than find a solution.

I guess I misread his post saying she never outlined how she would fix the issue. As far as her explaining inflation I feel everyone who has been keeping up realizes why it spiraled.

 

[MickZagger]

The question had nothing to do with causes of inflation. She was asked: "Vice President Harris, you and President Trump (he meant Biden, obvs) were elected four years ago and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago? When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?"

It’s pretty obvious that if they wanted her to answer whether someone’s life is better than it was 4 years ago, it had to do with inflation…

The country is way better than it was 4 years ago. Violent crime is down, jobs are WAY up and inflation caused by supply chain issues is being corrected slowly and prudently.

A lot of the issues with housing has to do with the incredibly low interest rates we had during Covid.

United States has, and will always be what you make of it. If your life is shit and you live in a trailer park. Your life will be shit and you’ll live in a trailer park through several presidential cycles.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Chris Craig]

Not really.

I just don’t feel like with her limited time to speak about the topic that pointing out what caused inflation needed to be addressed. We know what happened. We all lived it.

She did point it out.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Donald Trump: “Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants”

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

To try and get an overall view of how different sides viewed the debate, I literally held my nose and went on the Fox web site a little bit ago. I've always known Fox was on a different planet, but I just never truly understood that that planet is in another galaxy, far, far away.......

 

[Stevenson]

They are eating dogs!!

 

[tlongII]

She went on to talk about how she was raised middle class and realizes it’s important to have a healthy middle class in our country. Then outlined what she proposed to make the middle class stronger.

Keep up…

So she didn't answer the question.

 

[MickZagger]

So she didn't answer the question.

Trump never answers questions and it doesn’t seem to bother you.

 

[Chris Craig]

So she didn't answer the question.

Indirectly sure

Should she have been more direct and actually said yes out of the gate? Yes. It would have saved us from this silly back and forth. I think she was a bit thrown off by his extra craziness.

She talked about how Trump fucked over the economy with his tax breaks and tarrifs and created the terrible inflation we have been seeing in the current term. She noted her and Biden and have been cleaning up the mess. She put forth plans to further help the economy. So, yes, I take that as her answering we are better off now than four years ago.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

So she didn't answer the question.

Do you realize how silly you look pushing this point??? Maybe she didn't give you the answer she wanted to hear, maybe she went about it in an around about way but at least she tried to answer it. How many (seriously, how many???) questions did the convicted felon refuse to answer? Did he want Ukraine to win? Would he oppose a federal abortion ban? Did he have any regrets about his conduct on January 6th? Did he finally admit he lost the 2020 election?? Asked and unanswered. Asked and unanswered. Your boy got his ass handed to him so freakin' badly you're digging deep to find something to ding Harris with. C'mon, you're the guy who admitted your retirement accounts have taken a bath the past 3 years while the rest of us made bank. You might want to review your thought processes......