"The Debate"

[maxiep]

First, I said that Romeny was winning the debate. First post in this whole damn thread.

Second, I've been posting humorous things I saw on twitter from both sides. You don't know a damn thing about my politics or beliefs so please don't try and label me.

And lastly, I rather enjoy PBS, I have contributed to it and would miss it if it were gone.

PBS will be fine without government support. I'll certainly give more money to both OPB and CPR (Colorado Public Radio). People are willing to pay for things of real value.

 

[ABM]

And lastly, I rather enjoy PBS, I have contributed to it and would miss it if it were gone.

I doubt it would be gone without government subsidization.

 

[Denny Crane]

What impressed me most about Gov. Romney was his command of the salient facts. He prepared--I imagine--the same way he would prepare for a pitch to buy a company. Turn it inside-out, figure out the issues and be ready for any defense that may come up from management.

Romney didn't have to prepare much of a defense. Answer for RomneyCare (it wasn't partisan, passed with votes of both parties, no parliamentary tricks, all but 2 voted for it, etc.). Call Obama a liar if he misrepresented Romney's plans.

Anything else didn't matter much.

On offense, just memorizing a few statistics (unemployment, foreclosures, debt, deficit, etc.) was enough to put exactly what Obama doesn't want to talk about, at any point in the campaign, on everyone's radar.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

88% of PBS funding comes from viewers like you. It would be OK with me if it were 100%.

PBS will be fine without government support. I'll certainly give more money to both OPB and CPR (Colorado Public Radio). People are willing to pay for things of real value.

I have no problem with donors and advertisers being the only support of PBS.

I only posted the Big Bird tweet and the pissed off muppet picture because I thought they were funny. I also think John Stewart is funny but I don't agree with all of his politics.

 

[The Professional Fan]

What impressed me most about Gov. Romney was his command of the salient facts. He prepared--I imagine--the same way he would prepare for a pitch to buy a company. Turn it inside-out, figure out the issues and be ready for any defense that may come up from management.

I've not been a fan of Romney whatsoever, but with regard to your post, I could not agree more. I was coming from a very skeptical POV and was quite impressed with Romney's ability to respond quickly and decisively. He really did well and I'm stunned that I think so.

 

[ABM]

I only posted the Big Bird tweet and the pissed off muppet picture because I thought they were funny. I also think John Stewart is funny but I don't agree with all of his politics.

Heh, face it, Sly, you're just a rebel-rouser at heart. In fact, you kind of remind me of this guy.

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[Rhal]

This debate is the same as every other debate. If your a democrat your candidate won the debate, if your a republican your candidate won the debate. Same thing every time.
Personally I think Romney seemed more together, he was able to pull Obama out of his comfort zone more then he was able to pull Romney out. I don't want to elaborate to much on it before I read the transcript because I was chasing around my 1 year old daughter for most of it.

 

[TehChad]

You can't touch PBS! That's just not right!

Once again we saw him flip-flop (etch-a-sketch, anyone?), which I've come to expect. "I won't cut defense, I will give more tax breaks to the wealthy, I will repeal and replace Obamacare--but I don't know with what., I will deregulate."

P.S. Maxiep, who is that woman in your signature? I swear she looks so familiar. Does she work at a Starbucks?

 

[PapaG]

This is the human equivalent of "tail between the legs".

Happened more than once on the air. OUCH

 

[Rhal]

I've not been a fan of Romney whatsoever, but with regard to your post, I could not agree more. I was coming from a very skeptical POV and was quite impressed with Romney's ability to respond quickly and decisively. He really did well and I'm stunned that I think so.

I was expecting a much better debater then the previous two republican candidates but I wasn't prepared for how quick and sharp Romney was.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I was expecting a much better debater then the previous two republican candidates but I wasn't prepared for how quick and sharp Romney was.

I can't help but point out that he is in a position of telling people what they want to hear, basically the exact same position Obama was in '08

There is certainly something to be said about Obama's real world, presidential experience now. Yes, Romney was sharp, quick, convincing. But in a sense he was pandering as well. Obama's reactions, to me, (race excluded, just using this term because it fits how I saw the debate) was "shit *****....you have no idea...."

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[PapaG]

Barry would have fared better had he entered the stage with those moves.

When you've lost MSNBC...

 

[Nate Dogg]

My moves, would have been Obama keeping those gas prices around the same region when he was first elected. These gas prices are downright sickening and gross. No wonder the US economy is still in the shitcan. Nobody can drive their cars or move to apply for better jobs, etc. I'm so sick of politics and who will run this country better. The issue is these gas prices are hurting the US working class period.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Just curious: is there anyone here, anyone at all, who will change the way they vote on the basis of this resounding debate win by Mitt Romney?

I've got to think that the kind of people who were undecided are the kind of people that wouldn't watch a debate. And the kind of people who were going to vote for Obama are going to look at Romney and say "you slick lying bastard".

Also: does anyone remember ANYTHING AT ALL about the Obama/McCain debates?

 

[julius]

What's with the photoshopped picture Denny?

Also, that's twice you've said unemployment is up papag under obama, care to link?

 

[Denny Crane]

What picture?

Unemployment was 7.8% when Obama took office.

 

[julius]

What picture?

the 2nd picture after the one in 2008 "this is in Portland".

It was obviously photoshopped.

Unemployment was 7.8% when Obama took office.

Well, there are two issues with that imho. For starters, using "when so and so took office" is misleading because that president doesn't have much ability to do things immediately economically. Their policies don't take into effect right away, iirc.

So yeah, technically yeah it was lower under Bush (at the end), but the unemployment rate has a delay bounce. So it's disingenuous to use that # (as it is to say "gas was X dollars when Y president was elected, and now it's C dollars").

 

[Denny Crane]

the 2nd picture after the one in 2008 "this is in Portland".

It was obviously photoshopped.


Well, there are two issues with that imho. For starters, using "when so and so took office" is misleading because that president doesn't have much ability to do things immediately economically. Their policies don't take into effect right away, iirc.

So yeah, technically yeah it was lower under Bush (at the end), but the unemployment rate has a delay bounce. So it's disingenuous to use that # (as it is to say "gas was X dollars when Y president was elected, and now it's C dollars").

The photos aren't photoshopped. That was an actual Obama event from 2008 in some small town in Wisconsin.

I don't agree about the unemployment rate. Obama could and did things immediately that could have and should have affected the unemployment rate. He swore his $800B stimulus package would mitigate rising unemployment, and that $800B package was passed within 30 days of his taking office. He also had the 2nd half of TARP to spend (another $350B), already approved and on his credit card from day 1.

The gas price thing? I think it's true but misleading. Gas prices were nearly this high under Bush for a significant part of his term. People complained about it and when asked one time about it, he said he'd "jaw at the arabs" to get them to cut prices. I don't mind his plain speech, but it sure was memorable. That said, Obama's had no energy policy that's helped anyone with energy costs and he's had plenty of time to get something done on that front.

 

[Denny Crane]

the 2nd picture after the one in 2008 "this is in Portland".

It was obviously photoshopped.

I just took another look at it. Definitely not photoshopped. All those people needed to use the laundromat and went to the change booth to get quarters.

 

[julius]

I just took another look at it. Definitely not photoshopped. All those people needed to use the laundromat and went to the change booth to get quarters.

On the other stuff, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

as for the picture, it is photoshopped, look at all the repeated patterns.

There are portions under the tree were you all the sudden see peoples whole bodies, and not just the weird 3 layered pattern. The lines around the trees are way too smooth and not on the same level.

Are you just being flippant, or so you actually think that's a real picture?

 

[Denny Crane]

It was Michelle Obama in Madison Wisconsin.

 

[Denny Crane]

St. Louis 2008

 

[Denny Crane]

Obama at Michigan State, 2008

 

[Denny Crane]

Raleigh North Carolina 2008

 

[Denny Crane]

Romney in Powell Ohio

 

[Denny Crane]

New Hampshire.

 

[julius]

I forgot, what was the point behind the pictures?

 

[Denny Crane]

Romney crowd in Colorado.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Just curious: is there anyone here, anyone at all, who will change the way they vote on the basis of this resounding debate win by Mitt Romney?

So that's a "no" then.