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I’m at a loss. We have 3 All Defense players and several players who have played good defense on winning teams. So why does our defense suck so bad? We need a coaching change. Bring back Stotts. His defense was good when we had good defensive players. The defense we’ve played all season long has been awful. Near league worst.
 
I'm wondering what Chauncey is up to? He was really good at defense as a player. We should hire him as coach.
 
My amateur theory Good offense inspire good defense. Individually probably not the case, but collectively I believe that is true.
 
IMHO, the coach's job is in jeopardy because the GM got almost all defensive players who can't shoot, and our defense is mediocre to bad.
 
One of our biggest defensive issues is teams have figured out if they put Clingan in a pick and roll he can’t get out and guard the ball handler and it leads to wide open shots.
 
It's a lot of things.

- Poor defensive rebounding (27th)
- Lead the league in turnovers
- We take a lot of unassisted shots at the rim which if missed lead to transition
- We foul a good bit (21st)

We are a pretty poor switching team
- Part of it is our reluctance to switch with Toumani to keep him on the best player when we have the personnel to be an excellent 1-4 switch team
- Often late to communicate which leaves both the player guarding the ball a step out of position to get under the screener and the player guarding the screener late getting into the ball.
- We also are a very poor peel switching team. Whether that be in pick and roll when the ball handler gets below the free throw line. The on ball defender often does a poor job late switching and getting into the legs of the big rolling to protect the lay down pass or offensive rebound when the 5 has to step up.
- We should also be better at this (or utilize it more) on perimeter drives w/o a screen considering we are a very aggressive team guarding the ball which leads to more blow-by's. We have the length and athleticism to switch off the wings and corners when guys get beat and still recover.

* Think a lot of these switching issues can be pinned on our reluctance to give up spot up or assisted threes. It why we drop with Clingan and don't help much off the elbows when the handler turns the corner....it's why we pressure the ball. It's the main tenant of our defensive strategy minus our ball pressure.

I think Clingan's discipline around the rim has taken a step back as well. A guy that big should always be second off the floor but instead we've seen a guy that has bitten on far too many pump fakes. His impact numbers on shots he defends inside 6 feet have dropped as well. Opponents shot -12.8% below league avg. in 24-25 to only -8.9% this year.

There's also some know your personnel stuff going on where I think the ball pressure gets us in trouble. Like why am I seeing Isaac Okoro guarded 35 feet from the basket and beating us back door multiple times in a quarter....this team seems to lean playing harder rather than smarter most of the time.
 
The defense?

What defense?

I was half hoping we would have let them score 40+ each Quarter and give up 160+
 
Change "anymore" to "the last 6 years" and you got me.

So glad I stopped wasting my time. Until they become good again, it’s just not worth the time and effort.
Doesn’t supporting these guys during the “bad” times, make the “good” times THAT much better?
 
It's a lot of things.

- Poor defensive rebounding (27th)
- Lead the league in turnovers
- We take a lot of unassisted shots at the rim which if missed lead to transition
- We foul a good bit (21st)

We are a pretty poor switching team
- Part of it is our reluctance to switch with Toumani to keep him on the best player when we have the personnel to be an excellent 1-4 switch team
- Often late to communicate which leaves both the player guarding the ball a step out of position to get under the screener and the player guarding the screener late getting into the ball.
- We also are a very poor peel switching team. Whether that be in pick and roll when the ball handler gets below the free throw line. The on ball defender often does a poor job late switching and getting into the legs of the big rolling to protect the lay down pass or offensive rebound when the 5 has to step up.
- We should also be better at this (or utilize it more) on perimeter drives w/o a screen considering we are a very aggressive team guarding the ball which leads to more blow-by's. We have the length and athleticism to switch off the wings and corners when guys get beat and still recover.

* Think a lot of these switching issues can be pinned on our reluctance to give up spot up or assisted threes. It why we drop with Clingan and don't help much off the elbows when the handler turns the corner....it's why we pressure the ball. It's the main tenant of our defensive strategy minus our ball pressure.

I think Clingan's discipline around the rim has taken a step back as well. A guy that big should always be second off the floor but instead we've seen a guy that has bitten on far too many pump fakes. His impact numbers on shots he defends inside 6 feet have dropped as well. Opponents shot -12.8% below league avg. in 24-25 to only -8.9% this year.

There's also some know your personnel stuff going on where I think the ball pressure gets us in trouble. Like why am I seeing Isaac Okoro guarded 35 feet from the basket and beating us back door multiple times in a quarter....this team seems to lean playing harder rather than smarter most of the time.

I see all of this.

There are a lot of issues when it comes to switches. I keep seeing guys get switched, and then try to go back to their original assignment, instead of guarding the guy they got switched on, leaving shooters wide open. There are a lot of guys standing around. Clingan refuses to move more than a step or two to play defense. We are getting killed at the arc from guys he is supposed to be defending hitting wide open threes. Okongwu had 7 threes this last game.

Toumani's defensive prowess, seems to have faded a bit. He seemed to be a far better defender at the beginning of the season, allowing less points from whoever he is guarding and getting more charges on opponents. I know he still leads in charges on opponents, but it just doesn't feel the same for him. A lot of that could just be he's tired, it's been a long season, and the burden on defense has been placed more and more on him. Also, guarding opponents star players every game is gotta be taxing as hell.

The players on this team are not being used as effectively. We should be trying to get our best shooters (Krejci and Thybulle) open for threes in the corner. Even Grant. I'd prefer him in the corner rather than going to basket 1 on 4 and causing us turnovers and gifting opponents points. It feels like for every point he nets us, he nets the opponent 2. Grant didn't used to play so chaotically and recklessly. What happened?

I see more and more guys going to the basket and not throwing out to wide open shooters.

I get we have lost a lot of our offense with Deni and Shaedon out. Our top two scorers (three if you include Lillard) aren't playing. To combat that, you have to play by committee. You have to play as a team. No one player is going to make up those missing points. Everyone has to pitch in. I don't see the Blazers playing as a team. I don't see connection or togetherness on the court. I see a lot of Iso. I see guys just trying to get theirs individually and not involving teammates. I see blindspot court vision, lazy passes, poor ball security, and just an overall lack of effort.

I don't see a game plan. I don't see attempts to get certain players open or to get certain players shots. It's just pick up basketball with trying different players together, but not different schemes or plays. I do see any adapting to opponents. We just do the same thing and keep wondering why it's not working.

And, I'll say this, as much it's nice that we have a center that can shoot threes. Someone needs to tell him he isn't a fucking shooting guard. If he was inside more on offense, we'd get more offensive rebounds and second chances.

There is just so much going on. I hope we move Grant and Jrue this summer to bring in guys who actually fit this team. Though, I have not faith we will be able to move Grant. No one wants to touch him with a ten foot pole.
 
Doesn’t supporting these guys during the “bad” times, make the “good” times THAT much better?I

Maybe

But, it get's tiring as hell caring more about this team and these games, than these players do. I know that's true for many of us here, and scores of other Blazer fans. And, we don't have millions of dollars to dull the need to care like these players do.
 
Maybe

But, it get's tiring as hell caring more about this team and these games, than these players do. I know that's true for many of us here, and scores of other Blazer fans. And, we don't have millions of dollars to dull the need to care like these players do.
So it once again goes back to expectations……are they realistic? If NOT, like I see with the majority of members here, gonna’ be along haul…..but if you simply look at the talent level and think real hard, this season for example, has been a tremendous success. This team in NO WAY should be able to finish with a .500 record, but looks Iike they might.

So once again, what do you realistically expect night in and night out.
 
Doesn’t supporting these guys during the “bad” times, make the “good” times THAT much better?
No. This is an entertainment product and the company is delivering to us an inferior product. It is not worth watching right now. It was earlier when they were putting in a better effort. But right now? Low quality product.
 
Doesn’t supporting these guys during the “bad” times, make the “good” times THAT much better?
That's a cope mechanism I tell myself - but realistically, I certainly expect a better effort than we saw the last two days. That was ridiculous. Losing is one thing - giving up 45 to Atlanta in the 1st quarter is something else entirely.
 
So it once again goes back to expectations……are they realistic? If NOT, like I see with the majority of members here, gonna’ be along haul…..but if you simply look at the talent level and think real hard, this season for example, has been a tremendous success. This team in NO WAY should be able to finish with a .500 record, but looks Iike they might.

So once again, what do you realistically expect night in and night out.

Frankly, at this point, I don't expect this team will finish at .500 on the season. This team should certainly be able to finish at .500, especially with so many teams tanking and a remaining schedule against more losing teams than winning teams. This team should be 5-7 games above where it's at. There have been a lot of close games, winnable games, that this team has given away. There have been several games against teams with losing records where the Blazers just didn't show up.

As to what I expect. I don't expect a win every game. I expect effort. I expect fight. I see none. I see no dog in the fight and no fight in the dog. I see no dignity, no self respect out there. Just guys putting their heads down and accepting defeat. That's not the Trail Blazer way. This franchise comes from a deep legacy of being the underdog that fights and never gives up. The team you are supposed to be scared of because you know, even if they are down, they will try to come back.

Opponents laugh at this team. They don't respect this team. They want to play this team. It's an easy win. That's unacceptable.
 
You’re making fun of a type of poster here that simply does not exist. It’s really cringe.
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Frankly, at this point, I don't expect this team will finish at .500 on the season. This team should certainly be able to finish at .500, especially with so many teams tanking and a remaining schedule against more losing teams than winning teams. This team should be 5-7 games above where it's at. There have been a lot of close games, winnable games, that this team has given away. There have been several games against teams with losing records where the Blazers just didn't show up.

As to what I expect. I don't expect a win every game. I expect effort. I expect fight. I see none. I see no dog in the fight and no fight in the dog. I see no dignity, no self respect out there. Just guys putting their heads down and accepting defeat. That's not the Trail Blazer way. This franchise comes from a deep legacy of being the underdog that fights and never gives up. The team you are supposed to be scared of because you know, even if they are down, they will try to come back.

Opponents laugh at this team. They don't respect this team. They want to play this team. It's an easy win. That's unacceptable.
Having talent on this roster, would cure most of those problems, not rolling out G leaguers don’t you think?
 
Doesn’t supporting these guys during the “bad” times, make the “good” times THAT much better?
I hate being proven right about this team and this management in the worst possible ways over and over again. I understand that the franchise has to put butts in the seat and wants to make the city proud (and admit that I don't care about either of those things) but there are so many blatant mistakes that Cronin and company have made (all with no real upside for team success) that it has resulted in the worst time as a Blazers fan I've ever experienced. It's really hard to even care about a game or a draft or a trade deadline because I know the team will add expensive veterans via trade and/or mid-sized guards that can't shoot straight as free agents, and/or fail to clear cap space and take on bad contracts for draft picks, and/or fail to give Scoot and Sharpe as many minutes as would be ideal... it's brutal and predictable mediocrity with no clear path to getting better as our guys get more expensive and older.
 
Having talent on this roster, would cure most of those problems, not rolling out G leaguers don’t you think?

We have talent. We just have developing talent, who are better than gleaguers by the way. We have a few Gleague level players. We also have veterans, who just aren't inspired to do much, but could.
 

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