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I would vote for Julian Castro.

Fuck what y'all are talking about.

Whoever runs should pick him for VP. Nobody gives a fuck if your don't want you taxpayer money going toward things you don't like.

I DON'T WANT MY TAX MONEY GOING TO WAR OR OIL SUBSIDIES...

ALL humans deserve respect and dignity. Some of you in here are fucking foul...
 
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I would vote for Julian Castro.

Fuck what y'all are talking about.

Whoever runs should pick him for VP. Nobody gives a fuck if you don't want you taxpayer money going toward things you don't like.

I DON'T WANT MY TAX MONEY GOING TO WAR OR OIL SUBSIDIES...

ALL humans deserve respect and dignity. Some of you in here are fucking foul...

I think he would be a good vp choice.
 
My debate watch party was a great success. Started awkward since none of us had met before, I had 4 guests, one having gotten sick last minute, from Indivisible and Warren sites. But having food broke the ice and if I say so myself the food was good. Everyone else said so and the quantities eaten bear that out. Tweaked guacamole recipe and damn it was good.

OK - who did well IMHO?
Warren - format not best for issue-oriented campaign but she still developed her positions, sounded knowledgeable, sounded like she would be prepared from day 1.
Castro & Booker - both gave some good answers, showed passion without getting shrill, and Castro made O'Rourke look weak.
Klobuchar - some answers lukewarm but got two best zingers, the foreign policy at 5AM in bathrobe, and when Inslee tried to look like THE reproductive rights candidate, reminded him there were three women who had been pretty involved in that issue.

Not so well:
O'Rourke, he's fallen off after hot start and needed to revive his campaign. He did not.
Gabbard, just didn't really answer questions.
DeBlasio, too loud, too bullying, too Trumpian
Inslee, apparently a good governor but many of his answers started fine but devolved into "how great I am"
Ryan, tried to show he was Republican Lite
Delaney, just forgettable

Got pretty damn sick of the men interrupting all the time and typically when they did they got the mike. Rewarding bad behavior. All the women stayed polite.

Chuck Todd irritated the shit out of me, it's like he knew what answers he wanted and got peeved when they said something else. You're not the show, Chuckie.

No party tonight, just eat leftover chili & wings & the last 2 cookies and watch with Lucia. She got annoyed, I had to rearrange the room so 5 people could all watch TV together and cats HATE having their space disarranged.
 
Forgot to say, nice to see 10 serious people who speak in complete sentences and don't rape women.
That we know of...Im sure something will break before long.
 
My debate watch party was a great success. Started awkward since none of us had met before, I had 4 guests, one having gotten sick last minute, from Indivisible and Warren sites. But having food broke the ice and if I say so myself the food was good. Everyone else said so and the quantities eaten bear that out. Tweaked guacamole recipe and damn it was good.

OK - who did well IMHO?
Warren - format not best for issue-oriented campaign but she still developed her positions, sounded knowledgeable, sounded like she would be prepared from day 1.
Castro & Booker - both gave some good answers, showed passion without getting shrill, and Castro made O'Rourke look weak.
Klobuchar - some answers lukewarm but got two best zingers, the foreign policy at 5AM in bathrobe, and when Inslee tried to look like THE reproductive rights candidate, reminded him there were three women who had been pretty involved in that issue.

Not so well:
O'Rourke, he's fallen off after hot start and needed to revive his campaign. He did not.
Gabbard, just didn't really answer questions.
DeBlasio, too loud, too bullying, too Trumpian
Inslee, apparently a good governor but many of his answers started fine but devolved into "how great I am"
Ryan, tried to show he was Republican Lite
Delaney, just forgettable

Got pretty damn sick of the men interrupting all the time and typically when they did they got the mike. Rewarding bad behavior. All the women stayed polite.

Chuck Todd irritated the shit out of me, it's like he knew what answers he wanted and got peeved when they said something else. You're not the show, Chuckie.

No party tonight, just eat leftover chili & wings & the last 2 cookies and watch with Lucia. She got annoyed, I had to rearrange the room so 5 people could all watch TV together and cats HATE having their space disarranged.
Todd irritated me as well.
I didn't think many of them actually answered the questions but thats the job of the moderator imo.
 
Wow, that was embarrassing on so many levels for all participants.

At least we can finally agree there's no future POTUS in that sad collection of ignorance and unearned "fame".

Wonder how the battle of senility fares between China Joe and Beach House Bernie tonight?
 
Joe Biden be like:

Hey gurrrl....

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Kamala and Biden going at it
 
I was hopeful that Biden still has the fire at his age after many years, from my perspective as a retired manager thats even younger than him, he doesn't.
 
Kamala won the debate

Joe was Joe, Bernie was Bernie

Buttigeg was strong

Gilabrand was alright.

I liked Hickenlooper and Bennet.

Yang's $1,000 bucks a month sounded cool. I think he would fit well in the cabinet somewhere...as president I don't know

Eric Swalwell looked like he was going to cry everytime he spoke. He had interesting things to say. Some good moments. I don't think he goes much further.

Marianne Williamson....how in the hell did she get in the debate
 
Kamala impressive. Biden and Bernie need to just go away. I think Bernie was actually drooling at one point. Warren seems impressive as well. Buttichieg or whatever is smart but just too green. If Dems were smart they’d narrow this down sooner rather than later and go all in on realistic winners. Has got to be someone who will go toe to toe with the fucking idiot and is tough. Harris seemed like she’d be unfazed but his antics.
 
My wrapup from Part B:

Williamson: Parody account, like Trump. If the Dems want to pick the silliest possible candidate, she's your man.
Hickenlooper: I'm sure he's a nice guy. He doesn't belong in this race. If your big idea is "socialism=bad", you don't have any big ideas.
Yang: Sorry, Yang fans. If he's got it, he didn't show it. I guess he needs to be more of an interrupting asshole like everyone else.
Buttigieg: Wilted a bit when the 1%'ers attacked him. Might have a Beto problem in that way - might not be good in a clinch. Solid night otherwise.
Biden: Started strong, but as the hits piled up, lost his feet. I'm not sure anyone really cares about busing in 2019, but a frontrunner has to defend.
Bernie: Combed his hair. Kinda went downhill from there. Made a few good points, but his answer on M4A implementation was ridiculously lame.
Kamala: Clear winner of the night.
Kirsten the Friendly Ghost: had some good moments but nothing like what she needed to break out. I think she's toast.
Bennet: Kind of likeable in a quirky way, but didn't swim nearly far enough upstream to spawn.
Swalwell: Looked a bit constipated. He's clearly not in it to win it, he just wants to raise his profile for future races. As such he's a distraction.

Overall, these two days didn't change a lot for me. I'm still in Mayor Pete's camp, as far as who I'm leaning towards. The other 5-6 leaders are all acceptable to me, as are several of the 1%'ers.

barfo
 
I was hopeful that Biden still has the fire at his age after many years, from my perspective as a retired manager thats even younger than him, he doesn't.

I agree! And I am older than him.

I did enjoy watching Joe stand there and eat shit though when Harris call him out. Damn if I know why Harris likes school busing but never mind, she ripped on old Joe.
 
Kamala impressive. Biden and Bernie need to just go away. I think Bernie was actually drooling at one point. Warren seems impressive as well. Buttichieg or whatever is smart but just too green. If Dems were smart they’d narrow this down sooner rather than later and go all in on realistic winners. Has got to be someone who will go toe to toe with the fucking idiot and is tough. Harris seemed like she’d be unfazed but his antics.

Kamala was very impressive. I hope Biden doesn't get the nomination. I want someone new. Not going backwards into the past. He is the most moderate and would probably beat Trump, but I hope it is someone else. I like Bernie. He is aittle to far left for me, but he has a point. I'd rather it be Warren though. I think Buttigeg would make a good VP. I agree they need to narrow it down. Several of these candidates shouldn't be there.
 
I'd love to see the dems run a ticket of Harris and Warren against Trump and Pence...I don't think Joe or Bernie can win shit...too many Hillary stories around them and Obama stories that will just rile up the deplorables to vote for the second time in their lives again..when are the green party and libertarian party debates airing?
 
My wrapup from Part B:

Williamson: Parody account, like Trump. If the Dems want to pick the silliest possible candidate, she's your man.
Hickenlooper: I'm sure he's a nice guy. He doesn't belong in this race. If your big idea is "socialism=bad", you don't have any big ideas.
Yang: Sorry, Yang fans. If he's got it, he didn't show it. I guess he needs to be more of an interrupting asshole like everyone else.
Buttigieg: Wilted a bit when the 1%'ers attacked him. Might have a Beto problem in that way - might not be good in a clinch. Solid night otherwise.
Biden: Started strong, but as the hits piled up, lost his feet. I'm not sure anyone really cares about busing in 2019, but a frontrunner has to defend.
Bernie: Combed his hair. Kinda went downhill from there. Made a few good points, but his answer on M4A implementation was ridiculously lame.
Kamala: Clear winner of the night.
Kirsten the Friendly Ghost: had some good moments but nothing like what she needed to break out. I think she's toast.
Bennet: Kind of likeable in a quirky way, but didn't swim nearly far enough upstream to spawn.
Swalwell: Looked a bit constipated. He's clearly not in it to win it, he just wants to raise his profile for future races. As such he's a distraction.

Overall, these two days didn't change a lot for me. I'm still in Mayor Pete's camp, as far as who I'm leaning towards. The other 5-6 leaders are all acceptable to me, as are several of the 1%'ers.

barfo

Good wrapup. Yeah Williamson...wow...gonna harness the power of love. Out there. Hickenlooper and Bennet probably both don't belong in the race. I could see them as possible vp candidates. Buttigeg did better than Beto...a good deal better. He did get himself into an awkward moment with Stalwell. That staredown was brutal. Biden finished about where he started. He got his but kicked by Harris, but probably didn't lose voters. Bernie was Bernie. Kristen was good but too robotic.
 
Kamala was very impressive. I hope Biden doesn't get the nomination. I want someone new. Not going backwards into the past. He is the most moderate and would probably beat Trump, but I hope it is someone else. I like Bernie. He is aittle to far left for me, but he has a point. I'd rather it be Warren though. I think Buttigeg would make a good VP. I agree they need to narrow it down. Several of these candidates shouldn't be there.

Pretty much agree. I like Biden, I'd be fine with him being President, but I would prefer someone younger. Warren seems to have all the positives of Bernie without as many of the negatives. Bernie needs to lead a revolution, not a government.

Preference tier 1: Pete
Tier 2: Kamala, Warren, Booker, Biden, Beto or Castro (one of those two should drop out and run for senate instead)
Can/might/should drop out right now: everyone else.

barfo
 
After the Debates:

Contenders:

Warren
Harris
Biden
Sanders
Buttigeg


VP Candidates:

Castro
Booker
Gabbard
Hickenlooper
Gilabrand
Bennet
Ryan (Because he is from Ohio)
Klouboucher

Out:

Delaney
Inslee
De Blasio
Williamson
Swalwell
Beto
Yang






 
I'd love to see the dems run a ticket of Harris and Warren against Trump and Pence...I don't think Joe or Bernie can win shit...too many Hillary stories around them and Obama stories that will just rile up the deplorables to vote for the second time in their lives again..when are the green party and libertarian party debates airing?

So would I. Harris and Warren would be a bad ass ticket.
 
Highlights:

Rubio leads bipartisan backlash after de Blasio quotes Castro ally Che Guevara
By Nick Givas | Fox News

Democratic presidential candidate Bill de Blasio faced bipartisan backlash Thursday after he quoted Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara to pump up a crowd of union members in Miami.

The New York City mayor's detractors included Republican U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Democratic U.S. Rep. Donna Shalala, also of Florida, who served in the Clinton administration.

"It is unacceptable to quote a murderer like Che Guevara," Shalala wrote.

Earlier in the day, de Blasio was captured on video, addressing striking airport workers.

"Hasta la victoria, siempre!" de Blasio shouted. The phrase translates to, "Until victory, always!," and is attributed to Guevara, a key figure in the Cuban Revolution led by Fidel Castro.

"Hasta la victoria, siempre!"

— Bill de Blasio, Democrat running for president


"We will be with you every step of the way," de Blasio added as he spoke to the crowd.

But less than one hour after Miami's WFOR-TV posted a video of his remarks, De Blasio tweeted out an apology, saying he did not mean to offend anyone "who heard it that way." He also claimed he didn't know the phrase was associated with Guevara and offered up a mea culpa for his ignorance.

De Blasio also apologized on camera for his remarks in the debate spin room and said he was only trying to encourage the embattled workers. He said he takes "full responsibility" for his mistake but predicted most voters would move on and not hold it against him.



"It was an honest mistake. I apologized for it. I understood it just to be a Spanish-language phrase," he said. "I used it not knowing that was the origin. When I heard it was the origin I apologized immediately. Did not mean to offend anybody. I was telling those airport workers -- I thought they were going to win their strike in the end. They responded energetically because it was simply a matter of encouraging them.

"But look, as a leader you have to be able to apologize when you make a mistake. And even though I didn't know the origin I still have to take responsibility and I say I apologize to anyone offended -- didn't get it. I won't -- not make that mistake again for sure."

But Rubio, a son of Cuban immigrants who has been a vocal critic of the Castro regime and its successors, didn't seem sold on de Blasio's explanation.

Rubio tweeted: "De Blasio studied Latin American politics in college, was a very active supporter of the Sandinistas in #Nicaragua & even honeymooned in #Cuba in violation of U.S. law. But he had NO IDEA he was quoting Che Guevara today. It was all just an incredible coincidence."


De Blasio faced further criticism from Florida's other U.S. senator, Rick Scott.

"In case there was any doubt about the Democrats running for President embracing socialism, @BilldeBlasio is in Miami quoting...Che Guevara," Scott wrote. "You can’t make this up."

Democrats also denounced de Blasio's remark.

Shalala, the Florida congresswoman who previously served as president of the University of Miami and was secretary of Health the Human Services under former President Bill Clinton, called de Blasio's use of a Guevarra quote "unacceptable" and said it was especially ironic for him to use it in Miami.

Annette Taddeo, a Florida state senator from the Miami area, said she was "utterly disgusted" by the Guevara reference.

"This is completely unacceptable! How can anyone wanting to be the leader of the free world quote a murderous guerrilla -in Miami no less! A community filled with his victims!" Taddeo wrote
.

After the controversy erupted, many social media users made reference to a 2014 appearance by de Blasio on “The Daily Show” with Jon Stewart, after de Blasio had been elected mayor of New York.

During the interview, they joke about how de Blasio has redecorated City Hall after succeeding billionaire Michael Bloomberg.

“The Che Guevara posters are very popular, they really are,” de Blasio says.

He adds: "I don't wear the Che Guevara T-shirt at work. I have thought about that."
 
Dan Gainor: Media, left swoon over Harris gutting Biden like a fish at second Dem debate

By Dan Gainor | Fox News
It’s all about that base. That’s what the second Democratic presidential debate turned into Thursday night – a laundry list of giveaways, tax hikes and extreme liberal positions. The far-left audience clapped mightily. And no one took advantage of it better than Sen. Kamala Harris of California.

Harris went after former Vice President Joe Biden – hard. The media and the left loved it in equal measure. She called Biden out for working with “two United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country.”

Then it got personal. Harris told of “a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bused to school every day. And that little girl was me.” She called out Biden over his opposition to busing years ago and he floundered in response.

Twitter caught fire. CNN political commentator Ana Navarro-Cardenas tweeted: “#KamalaHarris going for the jugular. This is brutal.”

The Root’s Politics Editor Jason Johnson shared an image of Harris, with the comment: “Moderators, I would like to report a murder: White male, 70's answers to Uncle Joe .... Suspect still on stage....”

They weren’t joking. The 76-year-old Biden – and to a lesser extent the 77-year-old Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont – both showed they were from a different generation.

Rep. Eric Swalwell of California took the first big swing at Biden early in the debate, telling a story from his youth that called attention to Biden’s age.

“I was 6 years old when a presidential candidate came to the California Democratic Convention and said it's time to pass the torch to a new generation of Americans. That candidate was then-Senator Joe Biden,” Swalwell said.

It was a hint of the bad night to come for Biden.

Washington Post reporter Manuel Roig-Franzia summed it up with just two words. Retweeting a Biden quote from the debate that said “‘My time’s up. I’m sorry.’ — Joe Biden,” the reporter followed with “Metaphor alert.”

The quote spurred lots of snark. HuffPost senior political reporter Kevin Robillard commented: “You think Joe Biden would do basically anything to avoid using the phrase ‘My time is up.’”

Robillard’s boss – Editor-in-Chief Lydia Polgreen – cited a popular black “Scandal” TV character: “Major Olivia Pope vibes on stage tonight.” Then she added: “No one needed to go after Biden tonight. The fact that Harris did, and seems to have bested him, is remarkable.”

Bested was right. Biden neared the end of the debate reminding viewers about the “Obama-Biden administration.”

The 76-year-old Biden – and to a lesser extent the 77-year-old Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont – both showed they were from a different generation.

NPR Senior Editor Ron Elving elaborated on the strategy: “Not the worst idea for Biden to retreat into Fortress Obama at this point. Most Democrats see that as nostalgia, even if some do not. It also helps cover some of Biden’s vulnerabilities on race and progressivism.”

New York Magazine Washington Correspondent Olivia Nuzzi said on Twitter: “A source close to the Biden campaign tells me his staff is ‘freaking out’ about his poor performance tonight.” She added that someone on Biden’s staff said “he isn’t listening to his debate prep and he’s ‘set in his ways.’”

Commentators on TV sang Harris’s praises. MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace said Harris “changed the dynamics of this event and perhaps the Democratic primary tonight.”

CNN reporter Nia-Malika Henderson said: “I think Kamala Harris owned the night. It was a masterful performance from her, unexpected in many ways.”

It’s still more than 16 months until the presidential election and more than seven until the first Democratic primary, but the night still looked like the passing of Swalwell’s torch.

Washington Post opinion writer Elizabeth Bruenig noted that “biden's soft heartbroken sadness is the sorrow of a dude whose party has moved past him.”

It sure appeared that way.

Earlier in the evening, MSNBC host Joy Reid had said the election was all about core voters. “This is about the base. It’s about firing up the base. It's about getting about getting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s fans to vote for you,” she said.

It was obvious the debaters agreed with her. There was less speaking Spanish and more speaking the language the audience wanted to hear – an endless stream of liberal positions and anti-Trump rhetoric.

During the first debate Wednesday the most prominent candidate – Sen Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts – avoided attacking Trump. Few held back the second night.

The debate had barely begun when Biden complained about “Donald Trump’s tax cut for the wealthy.”

Harris echoed the tax cut complaint. Then Sanders really let loose, saying “that Trump is a pathological liar and a racist, and that he lied to the American people during his campaign.”

NBC anchor Savannah Guthrie detailed some of the Democrats’ promised goodies in one question: “There's is a lot of talk in this primary about new government benefits, such as student loan cancellation, free college, health care and more. Do you think that Democrats have a responsibility to explain how they will pay for every proposal they make along those lines?”

That barely scratched the surface. Proposals for reparations for African-Americans, going after guns, rotating Supreme Court justices “to other courts” and more dominated the night.

Early in the day, The New York Times headlined a debate story: “Democrats Split on How Far Left to Nudge Nation.”

They sure weren’t split Thursday night. They took a sharp left turn and stepped on the gas.

Trump responded to one such liberal fantasy, tweeting: “All Democrats just raised their hands for giving millions of illegal aliens unlimited healthcare. How about taking care of American Citizens first!? That’s the end of that race!”

Instead, it was only the beginning. Reid got exactly what she wanted, a debate that focused on the far-left policies that the activist wing of the party desired. And, at least for a night, the Democratic Party found what MSNBC host Chris Matthews had said Democrats wanted, “a pugilist.”

Dan Gainor is the vice president for TechWatch, business and culture at the Media Research Center. You can follow him at @dangainor on Twitter and submit suggestions there.
 

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