The elephant in the room....

[SlyPokerDog]

Play of the game at 1:28 here. Who throws the long outlet?

Your facts are getting in the way of a good rant.

Damn you!

 

[Pinwheel1]

Roy can be the trailer on the break (and he was a couple of times last night) so I'm not too worried about him "fitting in" with his teammates, the real question is whether or not we'll continue to see the kind of distribution or touches and movement we saw in the fourth quarter of last night's game or whether guys will stand around and stagnate while Roy works from the high pick and roll.

Much ado about nothing.

I would agree Nik. Roy will be just fine as a trailer if we can push it more. Plus you just don't trade your best player because your young bench players can run. The last 5 minutes of the 4th is still huge in most games. The running game tends to stop, and stars like Roy tend to shine.

 

[Minstrel]

The ball movement actually seemed really good last night, as evidenced by a lot of assists and points. I don't think there was a lack of energy or dynamicism. The team's defense was the only problem last night.

 

[BGrantFan]

Let's see. Carmelo Anthony wants to go back east after this season, and Brandon Roy was double-teamed all night and still ended up with 24 points and 6 assist. Why would anybody make that trade?

Also, is this thread a joke? How is Roy needed to be moved the "elephant in the room". It seems more like the mouse in the corner compared to the other questions surrounding this season.

 

[gatorpops]

Dang, mods are a profession? Where did I miss the boat?!!

Denny must be sharing the wealth, and that has to be where they are getting it.

 

[Ed O]

Even if Roy WAS the problem... why Anthony?

Batum's looking very very good. I'd rather move Roy for a PG.

But... Roy's not the problem. He's not A problem. He's our best player and he's improving and I am confident he can help us win championships if other things go well...

Ed O.

 

[Paxil]

I think Roy is an excellent player. But I think that the facts are the one weak part of Roy's game, is fast breaks, and it's not because he isn't trying. I noticed several times last night that although Roy was giving it his all to head up the court with speed, that he just wasn't as fast as the other guys getting up the court. When you can't get up the court fast enough, defense gets a chance to react making it tougher to score.

We average what... 10 fast break points a game? (maybe less) I agree fast breaks are not his strongest point... but it isn't like he can't run a break... nor does he need to get 5 feet ahead of someone to get his shot off.

 

[Paxil]

Even if Roy WAS the problem... why Anthony?

Exactly... at least compare Roy with someone who plays the same position. Roy is the best kind of all-star we could have... team centered, hard working, a leader and a quality person off the court. Anthony is talented... but does he make the other players around him better? Not really. He's the typical NBA dick... who gets most of his points at the foul line because he whines more than my 2-year old.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Well.... let's just see as the season continues if the offense becomes stagnant the more ROY is in control of it, fair enough?

If so will all of you conceed it's his tempo, not his skill that is ultimately causing the lack of fluidity on the court for our blazers? That's all I'm asking.....

That was the point of this thread...

 

[blazerboy30]

I think Melo will go to whoever can pay him the most

Denver offered him a huge extension. More MONEY than anyone else can.

I think he's not considering it because Chauncey is getting older and he's not winning a ring with the Birdman and Kenyon

Wait...what? You keep contradicting yourself. So Melo will go to whoever can pay him the most, except he won't?

 

[andalusian]

Last time I saw someone seeing Elephants in such a loopy way - he was on the booze...

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[The_Lillard_King]

Play of the game at 1:28 here. Who throws the long outlet?

Thanks for the link . . . notice the Blazer highlight before the one you mentioned was Roy passing to mIller for the fast break lay up.

 

[hasoos]

Play of the game at 1:28 here. Who throws the long outlet?

That has nothing to do with what I am referring to. Go back and watch several of the breaks where Roy is involved. If you go back and you watch Roy, you will notice he is laboring to keep up with the pack on the break, and it seems one leg is stronger than another. You can tell because one leg is giving much more push than another in the way he runs.

 

[Natebishop3]

The only thing I'd say is that Roy doesn't really look like a point guard... but I'm not ready to close the book on that.

I thought Roy didn't a great job of playing within the offense last night. How often did we see a Roy iso? I thought most of his points came off of spot up threes or catching it, driving, and pulling up. Not a lot of one-on-one play. I loved seeing that. That's exactly how I want Roy to play.

 

[LittleAlex]

If only Portland didn't have it's only all-star quality player they could contend for a title.

Surely this is a water tight argument.

 

[Boob-No-More]

the wrong two centers in Oden and Przybilla (when they get back) for the running game you're dreaming of.

I disagree 100%. Who was the center for the Showtime Lakers, one of the greatest running teams in the history of the NBA? An old, slow Kareem who trailed the players who trailed the play up the court.

Fast breaks start with defensive rebounds, steals and blocked shots. You don't need five gazelles to run consistently. You need a PG who can push the ball and two players who can run and finish. A trailer who can knock down an open shot is also nice to have. And you also need a big man who can control the defensive boards and throw an outlet pass.

IF Nate wants the team to run, haviung Oden and Przybilla back to control the defensive glass will only help, not hurt, this team's ability to run the fast break.

BNM

 

[Paxil]

Well.... let's just see as the season continues if the offense becomes stagnant the more ROY is in control of it, fair enough?

If so will all of you conceed it's his tempo, not his skill that is ultimately causing the lack of fluidity on the court for our blazers? That's all I'm asking.....

That was the point of this thread...

Fair enough... and I will grant you that in the past... the offense did get stagnant when Roy was carrying the team on his back... but our team sucked back then... Roy had to do that. That isn't the case now... Roy has other pieces around him and last year they seem to move the ball just fine.

What worries me a little... and we saw some of it last night... is that with our starting unit teams can pack inside and we don't have the outside shooting to overcome it. Thank God Camby hit some of those top of key shots... because they would have done it all night otherwise. Roy is money... but the rest of our starters... Miller can't shoot, Batum is very streaky, Aldridge also... he is on fire or ice cold it seems. Our bench and light it up... but the question is whether the starters will dig too big of a hole before the game loosens up.

 

[Sug]

Only in Portland. Another soccer mom discovered.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

Is it just me or does it seem that Roy allows a LOT of easy lay in baskets by the opposing guards?

I noticed what appeared to be almost double-digit amounts of unopposed dunks on most games I watched last year. I decided to watch for that last night, and it when I was looking for it, it really seemed like 4-5 times last night it was Roy who was letting Richardson (or whoever he was guarding at the time) just take it to the hoop uncontested.

I'm not going to say that will be the downfall of the team, but it just seems like a trend that won't go away until Oden comes back and I'm not sure, but I think it is either a product of our overall defensive alignment or it's Roy.

 

[RR7]

That has nothing to do with what I am referring to. Go back and watch several of the breaks where Roy is involved. If you go back and you watch Roy, you will notice he is laboring to keep up with the pack on the break, and it seems one leg is stronger than another. You can tell because one leg is giving much more push than another in the way he runs.

If this were the case, wouldn't he basically just be running in circles all night?