The Final Word On Obama's Birth Certificate

[maxiep]

I can't tell you how ignorant I think the "rascist" smear is in this entire topic. Thank you for repeating the tired left-wing talking point for ANY complaint about Obama. It moves the conversation along nicely.

This. Repped.

 

[Minstrel]

This is definitely not the end of the story.

I hope not. This thread has been fun.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

This. Repped.

Yes, because people looked just as hard into the fact that John McCain was born outside of the United States (in Panama). No one gave a second glance to his citizenship. You want to tell me again that had nothing to do with the color of his skin? Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. The more you claim faux outrage at your true colors (pun intended) being called out, the more it's validated.

 

[maxiep]

My guess is the Obama Administration released it because they did internal polling that showed that more people thought it was a legitimate issue than those that thought the "birthers" were just crazies. My guess is that Trump's pushing the issue tipped the scales, so the political calculus was made to finally show it.

This whole thing has seemed like a real waste of time to me.

 

[maxiep]

Yes, because people looked just as hard into the fact that John McCain was born outside of the United States (in Panama). No one gave a second glance to his citizenship. You want to tell me again that had nothing to do with the color of his skin? Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. The more you claim faux outrage at your true colors (pun intended) being called out, the more it's validated.

Um, you know the Senate did a full investigation as to whether or not John McCain was eligible to run for the Presidency, right?

 

[Masbee]

Yes, because people looked just as hard into the fact that John McCain was born outside of the United States (in Panama). No one gave a second glance to his citizenship. You want to tell me again that had nothing to do with the color of his skin? Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. The more you claim faux outrage at your true colors (pun intended) being called out, the more it's validated.

You are completely WRONG.

A big issue WAS made out of McCain's birthplace and citizenship issue.

However, unlike Obama, he quickly cleared up the questions by providing full and complete documentation. Thus, no lingering controversy.

Learn, then post.

 

[maxiep]

Yes, because people looked just as hard into the fact that John McCain was born outside of the United States (in Panama). No one gave a second glance to his citizenship. You want to tell me again that had nothing to do with the color of his skin? Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. The more you claim faux outrage at your true colors (pun intended) being called out, the more it's validated.

I love it. You have no more quivers in your bow, so you pull out the tired old accusation of racism. Yeah, there couldn't be any other reasons to oppose the policies of this President. On that note, I dislike Nancy Pelosi because she's Italian and Harry Reid because he's still in the closet.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Um, you know the Senate did a full investigation as to whether or not John McCain was eligible to run for the Presidency, right?

As they do I'm sure with anyone who runs for President. But that didn't stop your ilk from screaming that THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH. BECAUSE..... WELL, LOOK AT HIM!!!

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Yeah, there couldn't be any other reasons to oppose the policies of this President.

Policies be fucking damned, your ilk is trying to claim that HE ISN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO BE PRESIDENT. That goes a long way from disagreeing about his policies. And you have no root cause basis for this other than the color of his skin and the sound of his name. NONE.

 

[Ed O]

I was never that concerned about where he was born, although I'm not sure why it took so long for him to do what 80% (90%? 75%?) of the people who had doubts about it wanted: to release a copy of his actual birth certificate.

I can understand how he doesn't want to give an inch and then have a mile asked for, but it seems like he could have nipped this in the bud two years ago.

As for questioning the veracity of the birth certificate: I'm no expert on that topic, nor on Photoshop, but if someone WANTED to fake a birth certificate image, they could do it so you couldn't tell it wasn't real. I'm not buying for a second that there's some high-level conspiracy that can't find a good Photoshop guy.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

Policies be fucking damned, your ilk is trying to claim that HE ISN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO BE PRESIDENT. That goes a long way from disagreeing about his policies. And you have no root cause basis for this other than the color of his skin and the sound of his name. NONE.

What are you talking about?

Who is his "ilk"?

Ed O.

 

[barfo]

What are you talking about?

Who is his "ilk"?

Ed O.

I guess that would be the Rocky Mountain Ilk.

barfo

 

[chris_in_pdx]

What are you talking about?

Who is his "ilk"?

Oh, HERE WE GO. The tried and true mock shock "WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? *looking around* NO ONE AROUND HERE THINKS LIKE THAT?? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE SAYING??" routine.

Sorry, Ed, that won't pass this time.

 

[Natebishop3]

Sigh...

Politics in this country suck. That's all I'm going to say at this juncture.

 

[Ed O]

Oh, HERE WE GO. The tried and true mock shock "WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? *looking around* NO ONE AROUND HERE THINKS LIKE THAT?? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE SAYING??" routine.

Sorry, Ed, that won't pass this time.

You're seeing what you want to see.

And you're not being at all logical as you're trying to justify your circular reasoning.

Ed O.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

"Well, I'm gonna finally show you nutters my birth certificate I hope you're hap-" "OMG THERE IS A LAYERED IMAGE OF WHITE IT MUST BE WHITEOUT WAIT WHY DID YOU PHOTOSHOP THIS OBAMA OMG THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE STORY!"

Clearly, not as nutty as the 9/11 conspirators.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

You're seeing what you want to see.

And you're not being at all logical as you're trying to justify your circular reasoning.

Ed O.

Complete ignore of the core discussion point noted. Fox News give you a stipend?

 

[PapaG]

Yes, because people looked just as hard into the fact that John McCain was born outside of the United States (in Panama). No one gave a second glance to his citizenship. You want to tell me again that had nothing to do with the color of his skin? Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. The more you claim faux outrage at your true colors (pun intended) being called out, the more it's validated.

There was a Senate Bil regarding McCain's eligibility, and he produced a long-form birth certificate, which was accepted by the Senate.

110TH CONGRESS
2D SESSION
Senate resolution 511/SB 2678


So ... time for your next smear, chris.

 

[Ed O]

Complete ignore of the core discussion point noted. Fox News give you a stipend?

I asked you what "his ilk" is.

Is "his ilk" racists?

Or is "his ilk" people that think a President should be able to prove that he or she is eligible?

If it's the latter, then we can discuss what burden of proof is reasonable.

If it's the former--which it appears to be--then I think you're seeing what you want to see and you're being illogical. You're claiming that people are racist because they're acting the way racists act, but you're ignoring that they're acting the way that many non-racists would act, as well.

If you don't want to back up your assertion (that "his ilk" is a racist one), then don't make it. It is insulting to those at whom you cast aspersions as well towards others (like me) who read the board.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Oh, HERE WE GO. The tried and true mock shock "WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? *looking around* NO ONE AROUND HERE THINKS LIKE THAT?? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE SAYING??" routine.

Sorry, Ed, that won't pass this time.

Come on, chris. You blasted me for posting a video of some liberal racists, and now you want to smear everybody who opposes Obama's policies as a racist?

Extremely hypocritical, isn't it?

 

[PapaG]

So, can somebody explain why Obama didn't release this before he put active members of the military in jail by not releasing it, and getting a court to block its release?

What an odd thing to hide.

 

[Sug]

So, can somebody explain why Obama didn't release this before he put active members of the military in jail by not releasing it, and getting a court to block its release?

What an odd thing to hide.

He released his COLB over three years ago. The traitors and cowards you are referring to chose to ignore that fact. He hid nothing, it was put on the internet for everyone to see.

 

[Ed O]

He released his COLB over three years ago. The traitors and cowards you are referring to chose to ignore that fact. He hid nothing, it was put on the internet for everyone to see.

Why did he do what he just did, then?

Couldn't he have avoided all of this mess by doing what he just did at that point?

The best reason I can think of is that he didn't want to give an inch, thinking that his opponents would take a mile... but I think that he miscalculated the level of distrust that many Americans feel towards elected officials... knowing how easily he could address the concerns and then seeing him brush those concerns off rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

Ed O.

 

[Sug]

Why did he do what he just did, then?

Couldn't he have avoided all of this mess by doing what he just did at that point?

The best reason I can think of is that he didn't want to give an inch, thinking that his opponents would take a mile... but I think that he miscalculated the level of distrust that many Americans feel towards elected officials... knowing how easily he could address the concerns and then seeing him brush those concerns off rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

Ed O.

Actually there were legal barriers as pointed out in the following article:
http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2011/04/27/thankfully-andrew-sullivan-is-not-a-lawyer/

That subsection (338-18(a)) states:

To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

My emphasis.

This is far broader than the subsection cited by Sullivan, and restricts the circumstances under which not only the Hawaiian agency, but literally any person, without exception, may permit others to inspect, disclose, copy or issue a copy of that record. Obviously, a prerequisite for doing any of those activities is having access to the record in the first place, but no one has ever suggested that Obama did not himself have access to his original birth certificate. The issue was that without a properly handled waiver executed in accordance with the Hawaiian agency’s rules, it is actually illegal for one having access to those records to do anything in the way of permitting others to have access to those records. Placing those records in the public domain is of course the most extreme form of permitting others access imaginable, yet that is precisely what Obama had to get a waiver to do.

Quite literally, in order to release this document, the President had to ask to be treated as being above the law, even if it is a relatively trivial law in the grand scheme of things. Quite understandably, the State of Hawaii decided that this was a wise idea. That so many are prepared to insist that the President had an obligation to ask that he be treated as above the law from a very early date is far more troubling.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

He released his COLB over three years ago. The traitors and cowards you are referring to chose to ignore that fact. He hid nothing, it was put on the internet for everyone to see.

Oh yeah, and we all know we can believe everything on the internet....

I guess I would be considered the aforementioned "Ilk" I have doubts that he is even a citizen of the US, in fact I think he could be the anti Christ.

The guy comes out of nowhere, he is full of shit and has no idea or plan, yet the sheeple follow him around as he turns the country into a socialist hell.

 

[Ed O]

Actually there were legal barriers as pointed out in the following article:
http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2011/04/27/thankfully-andrew-sullivan-is-not-a-lawyer/

That is interesting, for sure, but was he denied a waiver previously?

I find the argument that Hawaii only NOW would grant a waiver to the President of the United States to be specious.

It's fair to make a distinction between when Obama tried to share his birth certificate and when he actually did so... unless they are the same time frame.

Ed O.

 

[Sug]

Oh yeah, and we all know we can believe everything on the internet....

I guess I would be considered the aforementioned "Ilk" I have doubts that he is even a citizen of the US, in fact I think he could be the anti Christ.

The guy comes out of nowhere, he is full of shit and has no idea or plan, yet the sheeple follow him around as he turns the country into a socialist hell.

Well if you believe in an anti-Christ you have bigger problems to worry about.

 

[Sug]

That is interesting, for sure, but was he denied a waiver previously?

I find the argument that Hawaii only NOW would grant a waiver to the President of the United States to be specious.

It's fair to make a distinction between when Obama tried to share his birth certificate and when he actually did so... unless they are the same time frame.

Ed O.

So the fact that the COLB is the legal document of that state should have been enough, wasn't enough for some skeptics should be valued over the state law?

 

[Ed O]

So the fact that the COLB is the legal document of that state should have been enough, wasn't enough for some skeptics should be valued over the state law?

Isn't that what Obama's saying by releasing it now?

Why is now different than two years ago?

Ed O.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

BARRY SOETORO ............ SOMETHING TO PONDER ..........




This is an article written by an ex IRS investigator....very interesting.




Trump is correct, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding something in his past that is very bad... and it may not be his citizenship. (Trump would not say this if he did not know something and he has the money to get the dirt...)





As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.



Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry's name was legally changed to "Barry Soetoro". (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry's vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate...

OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry's legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry's father really was and Barry himself may not know.



Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.

Barry's mother dropped him as a dependent for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother's passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mother. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia..) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry's mother divorced.



A "certificate of live birth" can have names changed on it including a child's birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a "certificate of live birth". This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)

There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name "Barrack Hussein Obama". I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.



The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.



Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes.. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)

Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?....


After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)



When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax forms. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident