The Free Agency rumor mill and junk heap

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah. He'll be the new age Brian Shaw.

 

[LittleAlex]

David Aldridge said the same thing last night on NBAtv. Basically that they were so close last summer, that he thinks something will get done this summer

With what?

Joel's expiring contract can't be enough for New York.
If Portland includes Miller then that leaves the team without a Point Guard worth a shit.

I just don't see Portland being able to put together a package of players New York would even want.

 

[RR7]

With what?

Joel's expiring contract can't be enough for New York.
If Portland includes Miller then that leaves the team without a Point Guard worth a shit.

I just don't see Portland being able to put together a package of players New York would even want.

Camby? Camby and Rudy?
Rudy, Bayless and Joel?

 

[Mediocre Man]

With what?

Joel's expiring contract can't be enough for New York.
If Portland includes Miller then that leaves the team without a Point Guard worth a shit.

I just don't see Portland being able to put together a package of players New York would even want.

NY wants cap space next year as well because they believe they can get Melo. Let's play fantasy world for a moment

What if Portland includes Aldridge in a deal to bring back a PG like Ellis. Then uses players like Rudy and Bayless (KP favorites, not Nate favorites) to land a PF like Carl Landry. Then gives NY the cap relief for next season they want by sending Miller and Joel for Lee

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Comment From Justin Justin: ]
What can Portland do? Can they get Chris Paul?

Thursday July 1, 2010 2:01 Justin
2:02 John Hollinger: No. Best possibility for CP is Orlando because Magic have the huge trade exception that gets hornets under tax and some assets they can put into a trade (Anderson/Gortat/Redick S&T/etc). Also, CP+ Howard works a lot better than CP+another ball-hungry guard.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

Comment From Justin Justin: ]
What can Portland do? Can they get Chris Paul?

Thursday July 1, 2010 2:01 Justin
2:02 John Hollinger: No. Best possibility for CP is Orlando because Magic have the huge trade exception that gets hornets under tax and some assets they can put into a trade (Anderson/Gortat/Redick S&T/etc). Also, CP+ Howard works a lot better than CP+another ball-hungry guard.

N.O. isn't going to trade CP3 based on how he fits with his new team - if they trade him, it will be about what they get in return. I think we have much more to offer than the Magic.

 

[illmatic99]

Frye offered a 5 year, $25 mil deal from the Suns, and he's mulling the offer. Waiting on NYK, CHI superteam info before signing-- Woj

 

[Masbee]

You all realize that David Lee can barely guard a chair right?

I am not hot for David Lee.

I AM hot for Chris Paul.

Do you propose we obtain Chris Paul without sending much of value out?

Which lineup do you prefer?

Miller (for 1 more year)
Roy
Batum
Aldridge
Oden

Paul
Roy
Batum
Lee
Oden

 

[Masbee]

N.O. isn't going to trade CP3 based on how he fits with his new team - if they trade him, it will be about what they get in return. I think we have much more to offer than the Magic.

Like what?

 

[illmatic99]

Like what?

Oden and Nic.

ORL's offer included mainly VC and Jameer from earlier reports.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Oden and Nic.

ORL's offer included mainly VC and Jameer from earlier reports.

Vince Carter, half man, half retired.

 

[hasoos]

You guys know we have Oden and Pryzbilla right?

You know the topic was Lamarcus right?

 

[B-Roy]

CHANNING GONNA GET PAID $$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[hasoos]

I see a bunch of teams overpaying for talent this year, and IMO it is going to hurt them down the line.

 

[andalusian]

I see a bunch of teams overpaying for talent this year, and IMO it is going to hurt them down the line.

Agree. Maybe the no GM thing is actually good for Portland now. By the time the dust settles - there will be some good players left for the MLE with no suitors.

 

[LittleAlex]

Frye offered a 5 year, $25 mil deal from the Suns, and he's mulling the offer. Waiting on NYK, CHI superteam info before signing-- Woj

He might as well wait it out.

Frye isn't the best player on Earth, but if Darko is worth 20 million then Frye is worth approximately 100 billion dollars.

 

[LittleAlex]

Vince Carter, half man, half retired.

Half man, half an effort.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Gay gets a max deal from Memphis?!?

Ouch!

 

[Nikolokolus]

I see a bunch of teams overpaying for talent this year, and IMO it is going to hurt them down the line.

Yup, and it kind of invalidates the whole contention from the owners that they need to redo the CBA because they aren't turning a profit ... so far the biggest spenders have been the T-Wolves, the Bucks, and the Grizz; three of the least profitable teams in the league.

 

[hasoos]

Yup, and it kind of invalidates the whole contention from the owners that they need to redo the CBA because they aren't turning a profit ... so far the biggest spenders have been the T-Wolves, the Bucks, and the Grizz; three of the least profitable teams in the league.

I think a lot of teams are counting on the fact that pay cuts across the board will be grandfathered into the next agreement with the players union, but the point you make is legitimate. They are going to have a hard time getting the CBA reworked by making these moves. They completely undermine the NBA's position at the negotiating table to get pay cuts across the board grandfathered in.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think a lot of teams are counting on the fact that pay cuts across the board will be grandfathered into the next agreement with the players union, but the point you make is legitimate. They are going to have a hard time getting the CBA reworked by making these moves. They completely undermine the NBA's position at the negotiating table to get pay cuts across the board grandfathered in.

I honestly think we'll know tons when next year's TV schedule is released. I think Stern and the owners are going to really stack things in their favor. Fewer glamor/large market games scheduled on TV and I also think the owners are going to end deep discounts just fill seats. Then they'll start planting stories about how TV ratings and attendance are down. I get the feeling that Stern and the owners have a solid plan on how to increase their bargaining position while the player's union doesn't have any plan what so ever.

 

[Idog1976]

Oden and Nic.

ORL's offer included mainly VC and Jameer from earlier reports.

Fuck that trade. LMA + Nic maybe Oden is too much to add to Batum.

EDIT: Oden himself + filler (read not Batum) Is fine, but given his production when healthy I would strongly hesitate on giving up our two best defenders. Also Paul does get hurt alot I would be on the burnside bridge if Paul and Roy were out for any length of time next year. I just feel Oden has such incredible upside and my WORST FEAR BAR NONE is trading Oden and seeing him become the once in a generation center. Paul is godlike and maybe it would be worth it, but if we were within a hair without including LMA I would rather trade Aldridge then Oden.

 

[Tortimer]

Fuck that trade. LMA + Nic maybe Oden is too much to add to Batum.

EDIT: Oden himself + filler (read not Batum) Is fine, but given his production when healthy I would strongly hesitate on giving up our two best defenders. Also Paul does get hurt alot I would be on the burnside bridge if Paul and Roy were out for any length of time next year. I just feel Oden has such incredible upside and my WORST FEAR BAR NONE is trading Oden and seeing him become the once in a generation center. Paul is godlike and maybe it would be worth it, but if we were within a hair without including LMA I would rather trade Aldridge then Oden.

IMO we will have to include both Oden and Batum plus expiring contracts and maybe Rudy for CP3 and a bad contract (Okafur and/or Posey) to have any chance. I also would hate to give up Oden but for CP3 you have to do the trade.

 

[Minstrel]

This didn't seem worth its own thread, but I thought it was amusing, so I'll throw it in here.

About the Nuggets and Warkentien:

This, in turn, raised the perennial question about who's behind the curtain in the front office. Mark Warkentien is interviewing for other jobs, which represents an unusually quick fall from grace considering his peers voted him the 2008-09 NBA executive of the year.

Odd as it sounds, the organization seems to resent the public credit he's been given for the team's success. Strangely, Warkentien's biographical sketch in the Nuggets' media guide makes no mention of the 2009 award.

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_15415380

Either we have a spreading wave of organizational envy, or a new generation of diva GMs. I'm just kidding. It's clearly both.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would trade Oden at this point for Paul. I think adding Paul would take a TON of pressure off Roy, and could possibly be the extra piece that makes LMA an All-Star. If Paul can make David West and Tyson Chandler look good, I think he can make Aldridge look like a freaking manchild.

Go off the original trade offer of Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla, Nicolas Batum, Jerryd Bayless and add Oden. That should be more than enough to get it done.

Then go after Morrow. I've always loved that kid after he torched us a couple seasons ago. He has a good shot.

I would actually like to see Rudy play with Paul. I think the two could make beautiful music together.

Paul/Williams/Johnson
Roy/Rudy
Morrow/Babbitt/Cunningham
Aldridge/Pendergraph
Okafor/Camby

 

[Nikolokolus]

IMO we will have to inlcude both Oden and Batum plus expiring contracts and maybe Rudy for CP3 and a bad contract (Okafur and/or Posey) to have any chance. I also would hate to give up Oden but for CP3 you have to do the trade.

I agree. But I tend to think we're going to get oubid by the Knicks or the Nets regardless; if the real goal of the hornets is to cut salary, then we won't be able to keep up.

 

[RR7]

I agree. But I tend to think we're going to get oubid by the Knicks or the Nets regardless; if the real goal of the hornets is to cut salary, then we won't be able to keep up.

Let's hope they get some commitments quick to eat up some of their salary, then. Joe Johnson, don't go to ATL, sign quickly with NY. Boozer, go to NJ.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Let's hope they get some commitments quick to eat up some of their salary, then. Joe Johnson, don't go to ATL, sign quickly with NY. Boozer, go to NJ.

My nightmare is that Lebron signs with the Nets and then the Nets turn around and offer the Hornets Devin Harris and Derick Favors for Paul and Okafor.

 

[Minstrel]

I agree. But I tend to think we're going to get oubid by the Knicks or the Nets regardless; if the real goal of the hornets is to cut salary, then we won't be able to keep up.

I don't think the Hornets want to trade Paul just for salary relief. I'm sure they want some legitimate talent in return, too. The Knicks are very, very short on legitimate talent they can send back in addition to taking large contracts off the Hornets' hands.

Plus, New York taking Paul and other large deals off the Hornets' hands would destroy their cap space. The cap space taken up by Paul is well worth it...the cap space taken up by Okafor/Posey? Not so much. Does New York want to punt any chances of being a free agent player to become a much worse version of the Hornets?

 

[maxiep]

I agree. But I tend to think we're going to get oubid by the Knicks or the Nets regardless; if the real goal of the hornets is to cut salary, then we won't be able to keep up.

I think the Hornets would like to also stay competitive as well as cut salary. Monty also knows these players inside and out and can coach them. Finally, a decent GM could turn Przy and Miller into more assets as well as a bit of cap space.