The give this team some damn respect thread

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Tince said:
Curious. If we were to play like 35 games without Dame, what do you think our record would be? Use the average of all the rosters he's had in his tenure while in Portland and Stotts as the head coach when making this guess.
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I would be surprised if we won 10 of those games. I'm just using the present roster, didn't see your qualifier.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I would be surprised if we won 10 of those games. I'm just using the present roster, didn't see your qualifier.
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While not the same as missing 35 straight games, I believe Lillard has missed 35 games in his career.

Portland's record in those games: 17-18
 
blazedanugz said:
Tons of ups and downs.

21-14

no Nurk
No CJ
NO COLLINS

top to bottom this team deserves some damn respect.

Since the beginning of the season, there have been multiple players on this squad we have harped on for there deficiencies and the funny part is we wouldn’t be 21-14 without any of them. Kanter has been a warrior. melo( and I can’t believe I’m saying this) has been huge recently...trent jr’s play speaks for itself. Jones has been everything we need. Covington is starting to turn it on...we at least know what you can expect from him. Ant has stepped up... Nassir Little? Nobody expected that.

Stotts deserves credit as well.

Give this team some damn respect

best record since the “Lamarcus era”
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FTFY
 
blazerkor said:
FIFY
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Melo has won this team no less than 4 games this year. We all know Roco has played a huge role in about 4 more. Kanter can take about 3 of those wins as well.
I agree Lillard has been huge in 8 or 9 of them.
Also CJ helped big in about 6 or 7 games before getting hurt.
They have played 35 games.
21 wins i guess you could say Lillard was a huge reason but you have to admit he doesn't come up clutch without the team playing well at times. Seriously those stops against both the Warriors and Kings in the last two games were huge.
 
blazerkor said:
I would hope that the Vulcans have a better clue than I do but I like the idea of Shane Battier as GM. He's been working in the Heat organization's front office for a while under Pat Riley and was always considered one of the smartest players in the game.

As far as head coach, I would like Brian Shaw. I know he didn't have the best time in Denver as head coach but he's been an associate head coach a couple times, won championships as a player and assistant, has been doing well by all accounts with the GLeague select team, is big on accountability but as a former player has the understanding to pull that off and has a longstanding relationship with Dame.
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Brian Shaw is also from Oakland.
Might be a good choice but he would get raked over the coals quickly.
Two years in Denver with a decent roster. Pre injury McGee, Faried, Chandler, Foye. He had Andre Miller off the bench and JJ Hickson Ty Lawson, Nate Robinson, Mozgov,
He had the players to be better than a 20-30 win team.
Overall record 56-85 through 1.5 years with a .397 (and was dropping) win record.
at 20-39 .339 percentage the second year they fired him. Hit the reset button.
Denver went with Melvin Hunt for the remainder and then hired current Coach Mike Malone.

This leads me to where they are now. The Nuggets are sitting with a player many feel is a MVP caliber center. Certainly an All Star.
Murray, Porter, Harris, Milsap (when healthy), Barton, Dozier, Compazzo. Couple guys who's names i can't pronounce.
Is Malone on the hot seat? Their fan boards hate the guy.
This is the same Nuggets team that fired George Karl after winning COY

I think Brian Shaw might be as good of a pick as any but be prepared to have to remove him within two years and start over. Then maybe get another coach that wins during the regular season at a .520-.540 pace and then wins a series or two in the playoffs for another few years.
You see where I'm going here right?
 
Personally, I can't believe that we get to watch Dame do his thing every night. It's like getting to watch Kobe.

It's really a once in a lifetime event to have a guy like this, so clutch and so fun to watch, on your team.

Go Blazers!
 
riverman said:
no way.....not buying it....he's the most important Blazer but that's overkill...when CJ carried the team to wins....he's not like a fraction of a percent of your win share
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90/10
 
I have to give this team props but I also believe we got scorers on this team because there very few of them are shy about shooting the ball. But it's not just Dame making this work it's been the whole team contributing that's getting these wins and yes Dame been clutch at the end if games on offense but it's been the defense at the end of games that really been the big factor of these wins. I still believe the offense and defense schemes are god awful you won't change my mind about that. The schemes are supposed make the players have easier time to get open looks on offense and the defense supposed put players in position where they make the opponent have to take difficult shots.
 
Stevenson said:
Personally, I can't believe that we get to watch Dame do his thing every night. It's like getting to watch Kobe.

It's really a once in a lifetime event to have a guy like this, so clutch and so fun to watch, on your team.

Go Blazers!
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Outstanding take! Championships last one year. Dame lasts a lifetime. And all the youngsters out there are going to have far more pleasure telling their grandkids about the years they got to watch one the transcendent players of several generations consistently break the hearts of opposing teams with uncanny skill, than they will have talking about a championship that may or may not have happened........fans just truly need to appreciate this guy for everything good he brings to Portland
 
We've seen recently what can happen when Dame isnt Dame, even with Trent scoring. When Dame was out a number of over the years CJ picked up the slack big time. In fact when Dame wasn't on the floor he passed more and pushed the ball which is something this team should do more of. If we trade him they better get someone that can, create, shoot and get to the hoop on occasion. Doesn't matter if its a two / three as I still see Jones as a bench player if he even wants to stay.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Outstanding take! Championships last one year. Dame lasts a lifetime. And all the youngsters out there are going to have far more pleasure telling their grandkids about the years they got to watch one the transcendent players of several generations consistently break the hearts of opposing teams with uncanny skill, than they will have talking about a championship that may or may not have happened........fans just truly need to appreciate this guy for everything good he brings to Portland
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Ewing, Barkley, Stockton to Malone just a few that are ICON's even today. Dame has been on record stating ships aren't everything but certainly an important goal.
 
Tince said:
18/17
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I thought it was the other way around....? no matter

to me, the most persuasive argument here isn't adding up wins and losses, here or there, in games Dame missed. It's that over the last 122 regular season games, when both CJ and Nurkic have missed games at the same time, Portland's record is 22-11. That's a 33 game sample size, and that sample has covered two stretches of game, one of 10 and the other of 23. That's kind of significant. That's winning at a pace of .666 for 55 wins in a season, and that's compared to Portland averaging less than 46 wins in the Dame/CJ era. And by the way, in the balance of those 122 games, when CJ was there, Portland's record was 45-44, and that includes the win when Dame and CJ both sat and Simons played 48 minutes

That's almost all a testament to Dame; his leadership and his talent. And it shows that some of the prevailing assumptions about this team might be wrong
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Outstanding take! Championships last one year. Dame lasts a lifetime. And all the youngsters out there are going to have far more pleasure telling their grandkids about the years they got to watch one the transcendent players of several generations consistently break the hearts of opposing teams with uncanny skill, than they will have talking about a championship that may or may not have happened........fans just truly need to appreciate this guy for everything good he brings to Portland
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It's kinda like watching Clyde. Clyde had a lot more help though.
 
wizenheimer said:
I thought it was the other way around....? no matter
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You're correct the Blazers record is 17-18 w/out Dame. Since his post said 90/10 credit to Dame, I thought I needed to flip the numbers to stay consistent with his ratio of Dame Credit/Everyone else.
 
tlongII said:
Lol no. Two NBA Finals and a league best record. I don't think so.
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So.....what’s Clyde done for us lately? What uni did he sport when he made the HOF? Two league finals and no rings. That “league best record” didn’t mean shit when they blew home court advantage. And he had way better talent (and coaching) around him. Mentally whipped from the get go by Isaiah Thomas and Michael Jordan when it was all on the line. And then whined about it and made excuses....Clyde had skills but Dame is and always will be the better man. At my age the value of player loyalty to our city and fan base increases exponentially with every passing year. I’d rather be proud of who he is than what he’s wearing on his finger if it has to come right down to it.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
So.....what’s Clyde done for us lately? What uni did he sport when he made the HOF? Two league finals and no rings. That “league best record” didn’t mean shit when they blew home court advantage. And he had way better talent (and coaching) around him. Mentally whipped from the get go by Isaiah Thomas and Michael Jordan when it was all on the line. And then whined about it and made excuses....Clyde had skills but Dame is and always will be the better man. At my age the value of player loyalty to our city and fan base increases exponentially with every passing year. I’d rather be proud of who he is than what he’s wearing on his finger if it has to come right down to it.
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I’m not arguing who the better person is. I’m arguing who had the better Blazer career to this point. To claim that is Dame is disingenuous.
 
tlongII said:
I’m not arguing who the better person is. I’m arguing who had the better Blazer career to this point. To claim that is Dame is disingenuous.
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And isn't claiming that he's the better player at the same point in his career vs. Dame, and basing that claim on team achievements when he clearly had vastly superior talent surrounding him, just a little bit disingenuous?
 
e_blazer said:
And isn't claiming that he's the better player at the same point in his career vs. Dame, and basing that claim on team achievements when he clearly had vastly superior talent surrounding him, just a little bit disingenuous?
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Nope.
 
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