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You think they came to the US so that they could 'take advantage' of the situation by having their kids taken away?

That seems, I don't know, implausible? What's the gain for them? Do you maybe think George Soros is paying them or something?

barfo

Of course not, that would be silly. They had no idea their kids would be taken away.

The families are being used as pawns by some group in our country. Separating the kids was not part of their plan.

I believe our govt. knows who is behind this plan, and is "throwing the book" at these innocent pawns to make it more difficult for this to happen again.

I feel sorry for the families. The are now caught between to groups fighting for control.
 
Of course not, that would be silly. They had no idea their kids would be taken away.

The families are being used as pawns by some group in our country. Separating the kids was not part of their plan.

I believe our govt. knows who is behind this plan, and is "throwing the book" at this pawns to make it more difficult for this to happen again.

I feel sorry for the families. The are now caught between to groups fighting for control.

But people have been crossing the southern border for decades. If it was all a conspiracy, wouldn't it have leaked out by now?

What's wrong with the Occam's Razor answer, which is they are coming here to seek a better life?

barfo
 
But people have been crossing the southern border for decades. If it was all a conspiracy, wouldn't it have leaked out by now?

What's wrong with the Occam's Razor answer, which is they are coming here to seek a better life?

barfo

People seeking asylum go out of their way to keep it a secret. And then they try to hide in their new country.

They do no make it a media event days before reaching the country they are trying to go to. The fact it was reported so far in advance, and that they were seeking asylum reeks of a consparicy.

They were probably told/promised if they went along with this large group, they would have a better life.
 
They do no make it a media event days before reaching the country they are trying to go to.
The whole wall and twitter bashing from Trump to the president of Mexico brought the attention to the border..Trump brought the tension to our Mexican relationship .he talks about it constantly, don't know why you'd think some refugees were politicians in disguise...he should go after these M13 assholes but they're already here. Theyre not walking across Mexico with kids and a few possessions.
 
People seeking asylum go out of their way to keep it a secret. And then they try to hide in their new country.

Huh? Are you saying that is what people generally do, or that's what they should do, or that's what some specific people have done?

People seeking asylum fill out a government form requesting asylum. It isn't secret.

They do no make it a media event days before reaching the country they are trying to go to. The fact it was reported so far in advance, and that they were seeking asylum reeks of a consparicy.

I think you are conflating two different issues. There was a group that traveled together through Mexico a few weeks back and got some press coverage. As I recall, very few of those people actually reached our border.

They were probably told/promised if they went along with this large group, they would have a better life.

I think it is generally understood that the "quality of life" in the US tends to be higher than in, e.g., Guatemala. I don't think you need a conspiracy to spread that word.

barfo
 
I don't believe all of the children are acting. Theses people have very strong family ties, especially with the children.

That said, I do believe this was a planned and staged event, before they ever left their homes. By some group here in the USA. There is no way the people involved would know about, must less understand, the grey area in the immigration laws they are trying to take advantage of.

I suspect the people that want the boarder agents tied up do know the law, probably even recruit the people and send them where they do the most good.
 
I suspect the people that want the boarder agents tied up do know the law, probably even recruit the people and send them where they do the most good.

Did this conspiracy form a while back, with the assumption that Trump would change the rules, or was the conspiracy set up immediately upon the new rules being put in place?

Or maybe it's just a bunch of poor people trying to find a better life.

barfo
 
The US has three holding facilities in Texas with a fourth on the way. It costs approximately 600 dollars a day to keep on immigrant child. -Public radio
 
Sessions is right to reverse that. Domestic violence? Gang violence? Yeah...no. Sorry.
Obviously a woman being raped, beaten, threatened with death by her husband deserves no compassion, after all, she married him. And it's probably her fault. She made him beat her. And while Trump might rail against gangs, by which he means all brown people, no one should be able to escape them.

I ask again, were fugitive slaves wrong? They knew the risk of running away to themselves and their children. Were those who violated the law to help them wrong? Was it right to return captured slaves to master to be beaten, killed, have their children sold away? That was the law. Were those who hid Jews in Nazi occupied Europe wrong? They knew the risk of violating the law. Was it right to send them to concentration camps? That was the law. Please answer.

Last night it was announced the government of the United States of America has built three concentration camps for toddlers and infants in secret locations. Neither media, nor elected representatives, nor clergy, nor American Red Cross, is allowed to see them or even know where they are.

Families made the difficult trek to the United States of America seeking safety and a better life, not due to some wacked out conspiracy, but like people have for more than two hundred years. Trump decided, and yes this is Trump administration, not some law, to take away their children and deport them. They go back to the hell they tried to escape but without their children. No one knows what is going to happen to these children.

Last night it was also reported that Trump & the White House are pleased with the furor over ripping babies and children from their families. They think it looks tough, their base will love it and will elect Republicans in November.

Putting babies in hidden concentration camps in hopes of electing Republicans.

And people here defend it.

I can only quote.

Have you no shame? At long last, sir, have you no shame?
 
Obviously a woman being raped, beaten, threatened with death by her husband deserves no compassion, after all, she married him. And it's probably her fault. She made him beat her. And while Trump might rail against gangs, by which he means all brown people, no one should be able to escape them.

I ask again, were fugitive slaves wrong? They knew the risk of running away to themselves and their children. Were those who violated the law to help them wrong? Was it right to return captured slaves to master to be beaten, killed, have their children sold away? That was the law. Were those who hid Jews in Nazi occupied Europe wrong? They knew the risk of violating the law. Was it right to send them to concentration camps? That was the law. Please answer.

Last night it was announced the government of the United States of America has built three concentration camps for toddlers and infants in secret locations. Neither media, nor elected representatives, nor clergy, nor American Red Cross, is allowed to see them or even know where they are.

Families made the difficult trek to the United States of America seeking safety and a better life, not due to some wacked out conspiracy, but like people have for more than two hundred years. Trump decided, and yes this is Trump administration, not some law, to take away their children and deport them. They go back to the hell they tried to escape but without their children. No one knows what is going to happen to these children.

Last night it was also reported that Trump & the White House are pleased with the furor over ripping babies and children from their families. They think it looks tough, their base will love it and will elect Republicans in November.

Putting babies in hidden concentration camps in hopes of electing Republicans.

And people here defend it.

I can only quote.
7 billion people on Earth. How many are victims of domestic violence?

Those people should be allowed to travel all over the world through 140 other nations that signed the refugee convention at Geneva of 1951 and all come here and claim asylum?
 
But people have been crossing the southern border for decades. If it was all a conspiracy, wouldn't it have leaked out by now?

What's wrong with the Occam's Razor answer, which is they are coming here to seek a better life?

barfo
That's the genius of the conxpiracy.
 
7 billion people on Earth. How many are victims of domestic violence?

Those people should be allowed to travel all over the world through 140 other nations that signed the refugee convention at Geneva of 1951 and all come here and claim asylum?

Are you familiar with latin machismo culture? It's a big deal for them and gets very twisted with low education rates and poverty. Causes lots of Male suicides, violent discrimination against gays as well as domestic abuse.
 
Are you familiar with latin machismo culture? It's a big deal for them and gets very twisted with low education rates and poverty. Causes lots of Male suicides, violent discrimination against gays as well as domestic abuse.
To a certain extent. A bunch of guys I work with were at a party. One of them danced with a girl. Afterwards the others made fun of him for dancing with a transgender. He supposedly attacked the girl and the others had to keep him from killing her.
 
Are you familiar with latin machismo culture? It's a big deal for them and gets very twisted with low education rates and poverty. Causes lots of Male suicides, violent discrimination against gays as well as domestic abuse.

I lived in Mexico, on and off, for a total time of two years over a 5 year period. My longest stay was 8 months.

I found them to be far more accepting of different life styles than people here in the USA.
 
In order not to look weak, Trump announces a 30% tariff on Taco Bell.
 
Are you familiar with latin machismo culture? It's a big deal for them and gets very twisted with low education rates and poverty. Causes lots of Male suicides, violent discrimination against gays as well as domestic abuse.

There definitely is a latin machismo culture thing going on. Cross them and the rath of the heavens will descend on you. No one messes with them.

Except in Mexico, they call the enforcers, grandmother.
 
I lived in Mexico, on and off, for a total time of two years over a 5 year period. My longest stay was 8 months.

I found them to be far more accepting of different life styles than people here in the USA.

Hmm, what sort of lifestyle were you living down there?

barfo
 
so given that Trump said that the law required him to steal children, and that only Congress could change the law...

and given that he now says he won't steal any more children, and congress hasn't changed the law...

can we now prosecute Trump for breaking the law?

Or was he lying again?

barfo
 
Oh look Moreno hypocrisy. This has been going on even when Obama was in office but that’s ignored. Go figure. Let me guess everybody here cares about the atrocities going ok around the world then? How many innocent people we have bombed through the last 18 years? Do you care? That’s what I thought.
 
Senator Obama, what are you saying here? Suckers for politicians. Hilarious

 

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