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100. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?
A "no-trade" clause prevents the team from trading the player without the player's consent. A no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract1 if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons2. They don't have to be the four most recent seasons -- for example, Horace Grant received a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for the requisite four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Few players actually have one of these negotiated no-trade provisions (currently only Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki and Dwyane Wade have them).

If a player with a negotiated no-trade clause consents to a trade and is traded, his no-trade clause remains in effect with his new team.

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:

  • When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3.
  • For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent. The player must consent to a trade to any team, although he cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.
In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

  • For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room). (Also see question number 88.)
  • When the trade deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended4, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.
  • For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 91).
  • For three months or until January 15 of that season (whichever is later) after re-signing a free agent with Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, if the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%.
  • For 30 days after signing as a draft pick. This applies even for later-signed first round picks, who are signed using cap room at least three seasons after they are drafted (see question number 51).
  • For six months after signing a player to an extension that is over the limit (in terms of years, salary or raises) for an extend-and-trade transaction5 (see question number 94).
  • After claiming a player on waivers, for 30 days if the player was claimed during the season. If the player was claimed during the offseason, he cannot be traded until the 30th day of the following season.
  • A team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30). If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, they can reacquire the player during the same season.
  • Until the following July 1 if the player was acquired through the Amnesty provision via a secondary waiver claim (see question number 69).
  • When a player is waived through the Amnesty provision he cannot be reacquired for the length of the terminated contract.
  • A team cannot acquire players during a season when they do not have room on their 15-man roster, even if they intend to waive an incoming player immediately. For example, a team with 14 players cannot trade one player for three, while simultaneously waiving an incoming player to remain at 15 players6.
1 A no-trade clause cannot be negotiated into an extension, unless player's existing contract or extension already contained a no-trade clause.
2 When the player has been with his team a partial season (for example, when traded mid-season), they round his team tenure up. For example, when Carmelo Anthony re-signed with the Knicks in 2014, he received a no-trade clause despite being with the Knicks only 3.5 seasons. The logic is the same as the years of service rule, where a player is credited for a full year of service even if he was on a team's roster for just a single day.
3 When there is an option year involved, they may be able to get around this restriction by invoking the option prior to the trade.
4 Playoff teams can trade players during the playoffs who are not on their playoff roster.
5 This does not apply to rookie scale contracts, which can be extended without such limitations immediately after they are traded.
6 It is possible to work around this restriction by waiving a current player, executing the trade, waiving one of the incoming players, and then re-signing the original player.

OK, that's the complete section on trade restrictions from Larry Coon's NBA Salary Cap FAQ. I "quoted" it for the tl:dr crowd. Admittedly there's a lot of stuff there and it's the interpretation of it has led to some confusion about who we can trade when.

This confusion mostly seems to be about our own players we re-signed and who we can trade on December 15 and who we can't trade until January 15.

For our FA and RFA signings, these seem to be the most relevant passages:
  • For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 91).
  • For three months or until January 15 of that season (whichever is later) after re-signing a free agent with Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, if the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%.
The first one seems to apply to Turner and Ezeli. We used cap space to sign them. So, we can trade either starting December 15.

The second seems to apply to Leonard and Harkless. They were the last two players we signed, using their Bird rights with a greater than 20% raise. I'm pretty sure were were already over the cap by the time we signed Leonard. So, it looks like we need to wait until January 15 to attempt to trade either Leonard or Harkless.

That leaves Crabbe (and possibly C.J.). Were we over the cap when we matched BRK's offer sheet for Crabbe? I actually think Crabbe's contract was the one that put us over the cap. If so, does Crabbe fall under the "matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent" December 15 restriction or "the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%" January 15 restriction?

WRT to C.J., not that I want to trade him, but does "For six months after signing a player to an extension that is over the limit (in terms of years, salary or raises) for an extend-and-trade transaction" apply to C.J.'s extension? He signed the extension on July 25. So, if this applies, we couldn't trade him until January 25.

So many questions. Does anyone know of a web site (link please) that sums this all up in a nice tabular form? Not just for the Blazers but for every player in the league on a team-by-team basis? After all, it takes two teams (at least) to make a trade. It would be nice to know what trade restrictions there are on guys we may want to acquire.

BNM
 
Not to say one doesn't exist, but I've never run across a site with a nice neat summary table like you suggest.
 
I'd trade anybody on the roster except Dame for Paul George, Gordon Hayward, Anthony Davis, Marc Gasol, Boogie Cousins, Paul Millsap and several other game changers.
 
I'd trade anybody on the roster except Dame for Paul George, Gordon Hayward, Anthony Davis, Marc Gasol, Boogie Cousins, Paul Millsap and several other game changers.

That wasn't the question. The question is when can we trade anybody except Dame to improve our team.

BNM
 
That wasn't the question. The question is when can we trade anybody except Dame to improve our team.

BNM
ok....I'll add at the deadline then and probably remove Crabbe from the list along with Dame
 
ok....I'll add at the deadline then and probably remove Crabbe from the list along with Dame

But, that's not the point of this thread. We don't need to wait until the deadline, nor should we. We need better rim protection and waiting until after the all star break may put us out of contention for HCA in the 1st round. We know what we need, lets get it as soon as possible. Depending on who we're talking about, we can trade them now, starting December 15, or January 15, or possibly January 25. That's what I'm trying to nail down.

BNM
 
Better rim protection? That's the whole reason they got Ezeli. I'd say it's a bit premature to trade for rim protection before Ezeli even gets on the floor.
 
I guess maybe they just use the estimated dates. Doesn't seem to be exact for the 3 month cutoff.
Looks like Crabbe is BYC. January time frame. Plus a 15% kicker.
 
If my memory is correct, we had $7M in cap space before renouncing players.

Hendo $9m, Kaman $6.5M, Roberts $3.5M

~$26M by my figuring.

Ezeli and Turner had to be signed with cap space, we had no bird type rights. $16.3M + $7.4M. $23.7M or so. Left <$3M to sign any FA using cap space.

Crabbe had to be signed via bird rights to go over the cap; he makes considerably more than the $3m left.
 
Better rim protection? That's the whole reason they got Ezeli. I'd say it's a bit premature to trade for rim protection before Ezeli even gets on the floor.

Historically, he's good for about 50 games a season (when he doesn't miss an entire season) at about 16 MPG. We need more than that. We need someone in the starting lineup that can play 30 MPG. That's not, nor has it ever been, Festus Ezeli. He was cheap for a reason.

BNM
 
OK, I finally found the definitive source for who can be traded when (along with a lot of other great info on team salaries, drafts pick - including swaps, pick we owe other teams and picks other teams owe us, dates contracts become guaranteed, qualifying offer dates, etc.).

It's the BasketballInsiders Salary Page for the Blazers.

Most relevant to this discussion:
  • 12/15/16 — No-trade restrictions lift on Festus Ezeli, Tim Quarterman and Evan Turner.
  • 1/10/17 — Tim Quarterman’s $543,471 guarantees for 2016-17.
  • 1/15/17 — No-trade restrictions lift on Allen Crabbe, Mo Harkless and Meyers Leonard.
  • 1/27/16 — No-trade restriction lifts on C.J. McCollum.
I'd pretty much figured out the trade restriction dates for Ezeli, Turner, Crabbe, Harkless and Leonard, but this is the first place I've seen the trade restriction date listed for C.J. Could be relative with all the C.J. for Cousins discussions flying around this board.

Here's some future dates of note:
  • 6/30/17 — Qualifying offer deadline for Mason Plumlee.
  • 6/30/17 — Festus Ezeli’s $7,733,000 guarantees for 2017/18.
  • 7/25/17 — Pat Connaughton’s $1.0 million guarantees for 2017-18.
  • 10/31/17 — Extension deadlines for Noah Vonleh and Shabazz Napier.
  • 1/10/18 — Tim Quarterman’s $905,249 guarantees for 2017-18.
  • 6/30/18 — Qualifying offer deadlines for Noah Vonleh, Shabazz Napier, Tim Quarterman and Pat Connaughton.
  • 6/30/18 — Jake Layman’s $1,050,262 guarantees for 2018-19.
  • 6/29/19 — Estimated player option deadline for Allen Crabbe.
  • 6/30/19 — Qualifying offer deadline for Jake Layman.
And, here's all the info on our pending pick swaps:

Pick Swaps
  • 2017 — Owe second-rounder to Houston Rockets (Thomas Robinson).
  • 2018 — Owed first-rounder (top-10 protected through 2019, if not conveyed, converts to lower second-rounder of Los Angeles Lakers/Minnesota Timberwolves, and a 2021 Cleveland Cavaliers second-rounder) from Cavaliers (Anderson Varejao).
  • 2018 — Sacramento Kings have the right to swap second rounders (Tyreke Evans/Robin Lopez).
  • 2019 — Owed higher of Minnesota Timberwolves and Los Angeles Lakers second-rounders from Cleveland Cavaliers (Brendan Haywood).
  • 2019 — Owe second-rounder to Orlando Magic (Jake Layman).
  • 2020 — Owe second-rounder (top-55 protected) to Cleveland Cavaliers (Mo Harkless, Joe Harris).
  • 2021 — Owed second-rounder from Miami HEAT (Brian Roberts).
BasketballInsiders has similar pages for all NBA teams. So, it makes it easy for all armchair GMs to check the availability dates of their favorite trade targets.

BNM
 
OK, that's the complete section on trade restrictions from Larry Coon's NBA Salary Cap FAQ. I "quoted" it for the tl:dr crowd. Admittedly there's a lot of stuff there and it's the interpretation of it has led to some confusion about who we can trade when.

This confusion mostly seems to be about our own players we re-signed and who we can trade on December 15 and who we can't trade until January 15.

For our FA and RFA signings, these seem to be the most relevant passages:
  • For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 91).
  • For three months or until January 15 of that season (whichever is later) after re-signing a free agent with Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, if the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%.
The first one seems to apply to Turner and Ezeli. We used cap space to sign them. So, we can trade either starting December 15.

The second seems to apply to Leonard and Harkless. They were the last two players we signed, using their Bird rights with a greater than 20% raise. I'm pretty sure were were already over the cap by the time we signed Leonard. So, it looks like we need to wait until January 15 to attempt to trade either Leonard or Harkless.

That leaves Crabbe (and possibly C.J.). Were we over the cap when we matched BRK's offer sheet for Crabbe? I actually think Crabbe's contract was the one that put us over the cap. If so, does Crabbe fall under the "matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent" December 15 restriction or "the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%" January 15 restriction?

WRT to C.J., not that I want to trade him, but does "For six months after signing a player to an extension that is over the limit (in terms of years, salary or raises) for an extend-and-trade transaction" apply to C.J.'s extension? He signed the extension on July 25. So, if this applies, we couldn't trade him until January 25.

So many questions. Does anyone know of a web site (link please) that sums this all up in a nice tabular form? Not just for the Blazers but for every player in the league on a team-by-team basis? After all, it takes two teams (at least) to make a trade. It would be nice to know what trade restrictions there are on guys we may want to acquire.

BNM



OK, I finally found the definitive source for who can be traded when (along with a lot of other great info on team salaries, drafts pick - including swaps, pick we owe other teams and picks other teams owe us, dates contracts become guaranteed, qualifying offer dates, etc.).

It's the BasketballInsiders Salary Page for the Blazers.

Most relevant to this discussion:
  • 12/15/16 — No-trade restrictions lift on Festus Ezeli, Tim Quarterman and Evan Turner.
  • 1/10/17 — Tim Quarterman’s $543,471 guarantees for 2016-17.
  • 1/15/17 — No-trade restrictions lift on Allen Crabbe, Mo Harkless and Meyers Leonard.
  • 1/27/16 — No-trade restriction lifts on C.J. McCollum.
I'd pretty much figured out the trade restriction dates for Ezeli, Turner, Crabbe, Harkless and Leonard, but this is the first place I've seen the trade restriction date listed for C.J. Could be relative with all the C.J. for Cousins discussions flying around this board.

Here's some future dates of note:
  • 6/30/17 — Qualifying offer deadline for Mason Plumlee.
  • 6/30/17 — Festus Ezeli’s $7,733,000 guarantees for 2017/18.
  • 7/25/17 — Pat Connaughton’s $1.0 million guarantees for 2017-18.
  • 10/31/17 — Extension deadlines for Noah Vonleh and Shabazz Napier.
  • 1/10/18 — Tim Quarterman’s $905,249 guarantees for 2017-18.
  • 6/30/18 — Qualifying offer deadlines for Noah Vonleh, Shabazz Napier, Tim Quarterman and Pat Connaughton.
  • 6/30/18 — Jake Layman’s $1,050,262 guarantees for 2018-19.
  • 6/29/19 — Estimated player option deadline for Allen Crabbe.
  • 6/30/19 — Qualifying offer deadline for Jake Layman.
And, here's all the info on our pending pick swaps:

Pick Swaps
  • 2017 — Owe second-rounder to Houston Rockets (Thomas Robinson).
  • 2018 — Owed first-rounder (top-10 protected through 2019, if not conveyed, converts to lower second-rounder of Los Angeles Lakers/Minnesota Timberwolves, and a 2021 Cleveland Cavaliers second-rounder) from Cavaliers (Anderson Varejao).
  • 2018 — Sacramento Kings have the right to swap second rounders (Tyreke Evans/Robin Lopez).
  • 2019 — Owed higher of Minnesota Timberwolves and Los Angeles Lakers second-rounders from Cleveland Cavaliers (Brendan Haywood).
  • 2019 — Owe second-rounder to Orlando Magic (Jake Layman).
  • 2020 — Owe second-rounder (top-55 protected) to Cleveland Cavaliers (Mo Harkless, Joe Harris).
  • 2021 — Owed second-rounder from Miami HEAT (Brian Roberts).
BasketballInsiders has similar pages for all NBA teams. So, it makes it easy for all armchair GMs to check the availability dates of their favorite trade targets.

BNM

Seriously. Thanks BNM. Your research is a blessing to many of us I am sure. Ive been wanting this info for a while after getting so frustrated with the NBA trade machine. I gave up because my research time is limited and obviously less skills than most here. :)

Now you need to take it to the next level.
What are the three best options for the Blazers?
1. What is the best possible trade scenario we could do if we wanted to trade now
2. What is the best possible trade scenario we could do if we wanted to wait until Jan.27th?
3. What is the best possible trade scenario we could do at the deadline when teams are becoming more desperate(like maybe a Sacramento)?

I would attempt it, but you have much more of an overall encompassing view than I, i'm sure you will know of players in the league I haven't a clue about.

I am challenging you. :) Then when the Blazers do make a move ( which Im sure almost all of us agree at least SOME sort of move needs to happen) we can break it down compared to your thoughts and see how close you were. :)
 
Better rim protection? That's the whole reason they got Ezeli. I'd say it's a bit premature to trade for rim protection before Ezeli even gets on the floor.
the odds of him "hitting the floor" this season don't look very good at this pt, they took a chance on him and his well known bad knees, for now it appears that chance will not likely pay off - I hope that changes but I don't think we can count on his playing at all so other decisions need to be made
 
the odds of him "hitting the floor" this season don't look very good at this pt, they took a chance on him and his well known bad knees, for now it appears that chance will not likely pay off - I hope that changes but I don't think we can count on his playing at all so other decisions need to be made


Exactly. Rim protectors cant protect the rim when they cant get off the bench....If a healthy rim protector is available without having to give up the farm, you have to look at it long and hard.
 
So because of his BYC status, Crabbe cannot "realistically" be traded until this summer?
 
So because of his BYC status, Crabbe cannot "realistically" be traded until this summer?

Not to the Nyets.

The team would have to get his permission to trade him.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap

Base year compensation

Certain players in the first few months of a new contract are subject to base year compensation (BYC). The intent of BYC is to prevent teams from re-signing players to salaries specifically targeted to match other salaries in a trade (in other words, salary should be based on basketball value, not trade value). A BYC player's trade value as outgoing salary is 50% of his new salary, or his previous salary, whichever is greater. BYC applies only to players who re-sign with their previous team and receive a raise greater than 20%. It also applies only when (and as long as) the team is over the salary cap. Under the 2011 CBA, players subject to BYC cannot be traded before January 15 except in a sign-and-trade, and BYC is only applied to outgoing salary in sign-and-trade deals.[6]
 
We obviously need a rebounder/rim protector in the middle. But w/o a time table or even diagnosis on Ezeli, it's hard to say what we should give up. I don't get it. Mid-November we heard he was seeking a medical/2nd opinion on his ailing knee. That was almost a month ago, and no word. Quick Tweeted yesterday that there has been no update from Ezeli or the team, & that Ezeli has requested that everyone stop asking for an update. Uh, Ok . . . They should at least release what the 2nd opinion was, even if there's no set time table. Is he likely out for the year? The answer to that impacts the decision to trade for a big or stand pat.

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I was a big fan of the Ezeli signing at the time (for the amount) but I think you have to go forward with thinking you get nothing from him at all this year and if you do then that is just a nice added bonus. I certainly wouldn't be making my trade plans according to what I thought or didn't think he would provide at this point.
 
There's a reason Ezeli was available for the price he settled on. Honestly, I doubt he plays at all this year.
 
Here are some things to consider.

NO had a use it or lose it issue with cap space. Next year, CJ's new big contract kicks in and is going to eat up a lot of our salary structure.

The ideal strategy for building a roster, every year, is to go as near the LT as possible. If you get under the cap, you will have a hard time getting back over. You can only do so by re-signing your own players using exceptions, or making a trade that fits the CBA and is slightly more incoming than outgoing.

Whatever the cap situation is this year doesn't affect our cap for next. The salary structure is like a puzzle with all the players and their salaries the pieces. If we need to move a piece so another fits, NO can make it happen. This is the least of my worries.

If NO didn't re-sign our FAs, the guys we'e have instead would be minimum salary type guys. Nowhere near as good as the guys we have, no matter how they are underachieving. The other option would have been S&T, but even those are subject to CBA ballast.

The ET signing was more than decent. I think he's a really big step up over Hendo (who signed a $9M/season deal).

The only move NO made, IMO, that was questionable in any sense at all was the re-signing of Crabbe. Not that Crabbe wasn't worth re-signing but that he was forced against his will to stay instead of getting a starting job where he would have preferred to go. I can see Crabbe being upset with his situation and that it can affect his game. He's a grown man, though, and I think he'll dedicate himself to the team and winning soon enough.
 
I'm guessing they're hiding Ezeli's timeline to maintain some leverage in trade talks. Teams know we are pretty much desperate for a center, so we could use anything at this point, even something as minimal as the Ezeli situation. I doubt that his health will affect any decisions going forward however. Even if he were healthy, he'd still be a backup type player.
 
i kind of have the feeling that he is of value matching salaries in trade scenarios at this point as an expiring because of the team option in his contract. even if he blew up and became the defensive anchor in two years, we wouldn't hold bird rights so couldn't go over cap to resign anyway and would lose for nothing unless our cap situation changes through trades. if he showed any durability he wouldn't resign for current salary
 
i kind of have the feeling that he is of value matching salaries in trade scenarios at this point as an expiring because of the team option in his contract. even if he blew up and became the defensive anchor in two years, we wouldn't hold bird rights so couldn't go over cap to resign anyway and would lose for nothing unless our cap situation changes through trades. if he showed any durability he wouldn't resign for current salary

I could definitely see that. Olshey loves Plumlee anyway, and Davis knows his role and is one of the leaders of the team.
 

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