The guy Portland should really be after, Josh Chilldress

[LittleAlex]

Here is a comparison of Batum, Outlaw, Turk and Chilldress. The one for J-Chill is from 2007-2008 since he played in Europe last year.

J-Chill looks damn good in comparison to the other 3. He doesn't have the passing skills of Hedo, but he does pretty much everything else as well or better. Add to that the fact he probably would cost less then either Hedo or Ariza and it seems like a slam dunk to me.

Why isn't Portland going after Chilldress instead of Hedo?

I haven't the slightest idea.

 

[RickyRubio]

Bucks are going after J-Chill. I bet he would rather play here.

We need a PG tho. Not a SF.

 

[LittleAlex]

Bucks are going after J-Chill. I bet he would rather play here.

We need a PG tho. Not a SF.

If Portland wants an upgrade at small forward why wouldn't they look at J-Chill instead of Hedo? That's the real question I have.

Of course a PG upgrade would be awesome, but it sure doesn't look like the team agrees with us.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Everyone thinks they are a great talent evaluator. Josh Childress? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you even watch basketball?

 

[LittleAlex]

Everyone thinks they are a great talent evaluator. Josh Childress? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you even watch basketball?

I said that J-Chill compares favorably to Hedo. And he does. I also said he would come cheaper. And he will.

I haven't the slightest idea why either of these things would be so false as to be laughable. If you have evidence to back this up, I would be happy to see it.

As you can see from the first post, I have evidence that suggests I am correct. Where is yours?

 

[Ed O]

As you can see from the first post, I have evidence that suggests I am correct. Where is yours?

He watches basketball! That's all the evidence he needs to be able to laugh at your opinions and positions.

Ed O.

 

[B-Roy]

Here is a comparison of Batum, Outlaw, Turk and Chilldress. The one for J-Chill is from 2007-2008 since he played in Europe last year.

J-Chill looks damn good in comparison to the other 3. He doesn't have the passing skills of Hedo, but he does pretty much everything else as well or better. Add to that the fact he probably would cost less then either Hedo or Ariza and it seems like a slam dunk to me.

Why isn't Portland going after Chilldress instead of Hedo?

I haven't the slightest idea.

He looks REALLY average compared to Batum and Outlaw tbh. Also, didn't he suffer a major injury in Europe? How do we know he can become the same player he was before?

 

[ironcrotch]

I think at this point it seems everyone is chasing everyone that isn't on our team. The grass isn't always greener.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

I will not make an offiical statement until someone compares their PER stats, which is more important than even watching them play! PER!!!!!

 

[Ed O]

He looks REALLY average compared to Batum and Outlaw tbh.

Average? The guy is better practically across the board.

FG%? Best. By far.
3%? 3rd, but rarely shoots and not far behind either of the others.
FT%? 2nd, but only .001 less than Batum.
Rebounds/game? Best.
Assists/game? Best.
Steals/game? Best.
Blocks/game? 2nd, barely behind Batum.

I think he's head and shoulders, statistically, above Batum and Outlaw... and think he is more efficient than Hedo, as well.

Ed O.

 

[ODENISGOD]

J chill sucks balls!!! are u on crack?

 

[B-Roy]

Average? The guy is better practically across the board.

FG%? Best. By far.
3%? 3rd, but rarely shoots and not far behind either of the others.
FT%? 2nd, but only .001 less than Batum.
Rebounds/game? Best.
Assists/game? Best.
Steals/game? Best.
Blocks/game? 2nd, barely behind Batum.

I think he's head and shoulders, statistically, above Batum and Outlaw... and think he is more efficient than Hedo, as well.

Ed O.

Outside of FG%, he's only beating Travis by .2-.5, it's not that big of a difference...statistically anyways.

His skillset is similar to Batum, from what I've seen, but he's better at attacking the basket.

 

[RickyRubio]

Everyone thinks they are a great talent evaluator. Josh Childress? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you even watch basketball?

And you have seen a ton of his games recently, haven't you?

 

[SodaPopinski]

And you have seen a ton of his games recently, haven't you?

I watched him in college and the NBA, and he's a donkey. Runs around tripping over himself, has the ugliest jumpshot stroke known to man, and has ZERO toughness.

No thanks.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

If it wasn't for his hair, Josh would literally have no redeeming value at all.

Comparing some Euroleague player to a starter in the NBA finals is funny.

 

[Minstrel]

Childress would be a much better addition than Turkoglu, I agree, LittleAlex. He's young-prime, a very good defender and a nice all-around contributor. Plus he's a good decision-maker.

If he were interested in joining Portland and Atlanta were willing to go along with a sign-and-trade for his rights, then I'd rather have him than Turk.

 

[LittleAlex]

The idea here is that J-Chill would provide nearly as much as Hedo for far less, plus the fact he is far younger then Hedo makes him more attractive. Further, he is available unlike other players I happen to like far better.

If Portland got J-Chill they would still have cap space to make a lopsided trade for a point guard. If Portland signs Hedo, that is pretty much the only move they can make. If that seems like enough for you, fair enough.

 

[B-Roy]

The idea here is that J-Chill would provide nearly as much as Hedo for far less, plus the fact he is far younger then Hedo makes him more attractive. Further, he is available unlike other players I happen to like far better.

If Portland got J-Chill they would still have cap space to make a lopsided trade for a point guard. If Portland signs Hedo, that is pretty much the only move they can make. If that seems like enough for you, fair enough.

Childress would get AT LEAST the MLE, which leaves us around 3 million to work with.

 

[LittleAlex]

Childress would get AT LEAST the MLE, which leaves us around 3 million to work with.

That is far better the the 10 million Portland would be giving Hedo. 3 million dollars is more to work with then nothing, which is what Portland would have left if they sign Hedo for the absurd contract he is asking for.

I would think Portland would look at the guys getting paid the most, find a guy who is under the radar who is nearly as good, and sign that guy for a reasonable contract.

J-Chill is one of those guys, but not the only one. The MLE would be a fair contract for a productive role player on a contending team. 10 million a year isn't.

The more I think about the amount Hedo would get, the less I like the idea. As Minstrel stated somewhere else, you are really signing Hedo for 2 years. The rest of that time will be when his game starts to drop off to the point where he is pretty much useless.

 

[huevonkiller]

Childress would be a much better addition than Turkoglu, I agree, LittleAlex. He's young-prime, a very good defender and a nice all-around contributor. Plus he's a good decision-maker.

If he were interested in joining Portland and Atlanta were willing to go along with a sign-and-trade for his rights, then I'd rather have him than Turk.

What about the Turk from two years ago? I don't think it would be such a simple choice then.

 

[Minstrel]

What about the Turk from two years ago? I don't think it would be such a simple choice then.

No, it would be a tougher call then. If I believed Portland would get a prime Turkoglu for his entire contract length, I'd be more interested in him. Of course, two years ago, he wouldn't have looked like a "point forward"...it's only been the last two years that he's had such a high Assist Rate.

 

[huevonkiller]

No, it would be a tougher call then. If I believed Portland would get a prime Turkoglu for his entire contract length, I'd be more interested in him.

It seems though that his jumper was a bit off last year, for someone like him it is still reasonable that it could return. I think he's a solid addition for you guys, could be even better than what he was last season.

 

[Minstrel]

It seems though that his jumper was a bit off last year, for someone like him it is still reasonable that it could return. I think he's a solid addition for you guys, could be even better than what he was last season.

I think he's definitely a solid acquisition next year and year after. Maybe even in 2011-2012, too. It's the year or two after that that it gets dicey.

Plus, one would like to get more than a "solid" player for ~$10 million per year, but you can't always get what you want.

 

[malarky]

I have wanted Childress for two summers now. He is a good all around player and doesn't demand the ball. He would be a perfect match for our team. Plus he will be at least a couple of million less a year than Turk.

 

[yakbladder]

If it wasn't for his hair, Josh would literally have no redeeming value at all.

Comparing some Euroleague player to a starter in the NBA finals is funny.

While I don't know enough to comment on Turk v Childman as to whom is better, I'd have to agree wholeheartedly with this quote. People seem to want to treat the Euroleague and the NBA as apples to apples when it clearly is not. Is the competition close? Sure, on some teams, against some teams, and in some leagues. But close and on par..well...and facing that competition level night in and night out might be a different story.

Guess we won't know till we sign both of them and have them replace Webster, Batum, and Outlaw.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

While I don't know enough to comment on Turk v Childman as to whom is better, I'd have to agree wholeheartedly with this quote. People seem to want to treat the Euroleague and the NBA as apples to apples when it clearly is not. Is the competition close? Sure, on some teams, against some teams, and in some leagues. But close and on par..well...and facing that competition level night in and night out might be a different story.

Guess we won't know till we sign both of them and have them replace Webster, Batum, and Outlaw.

And Turks stats were much better in the NBA than Childress's were playing in Europe. The argument that he wouldn't need as big a contract as Turk is worthless, since we're going to be over the cap anyways. Might as well upgrade as much as possible.

I honestly don't think Childress is even an upgrade over our current trio of SF's. Why get a guy who just does everything okay with our capspace. Why go after mediocrity? Him and Ariza just seem redundant and I hope to God we don't go after either of them. If we can't get Turk (someone who can actually make a play to help Roy), either try and trade for a SF or just focus on PG.

 

[Minstrel]

While I don't know enough to comment on Turk v Childman as to whom is better, I'd have to agree wholeheartedly with this quote. People seem to want to treat the Euroleague and the NBA as apples to apples when it clearly is not. Is the competition close? Sure, on some teams, against some teams, and in some leagues. But close and on par..well...and facing that competition level night in and night out might be a different story.

Are you two being serious or doing an extended comedic bit? Surely you realize that Childress has played the majority of his pro career in the NBA? He's played four seasons in the NBA and one in Europe. In terms of competition faced, are his NBA seasons comparable to Turkoglu's NBA seasons?

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

Are you two being serious or doing an extended comedic bit? Surely you realize that Childress has played the majority of his pro career in the NBA? He's played four seasons in the NBA and one in Europe. In terms of competition faced, are his NBA seasons comparable to Turkoglu's NBA seasons?

Thanks, captain obvious.


His stats were even worse when he played in the NBA... he regressed in 07-08, so you're hurting your argument.

I'm honestly amazed that some of you think so highly of him. Guess we'll agree to disagree.

 

[Ed O]

His stats were even worse when he played in the NBA... he regressed in 07-08, so you're hurting your argument.

I'm honestly amazed that some of you think so highly of him. Guess we'll agree to disagree.

Actually he put up pretty good stats... he only "regressed" in 07-08 because he played fewer minutes. The minutes that he played were actually more effective than they had been in any other season.

Ed O.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

Actually he put up pretty good stats... he only "regressed" in 07-08 because he played fewer minutes. The minutes that he played were actually more effective than they had been in any other season.

Ed O.

Why'd he play less minutes? On Atlanta of all places...

Edit - and btw, his "pretty good stats" are almost mirror images of Travis Outlaw's... who came off our bench...