The guy Portland should really be after, Josh Chilldress

[Minstrel]

Thanks, captain obvious.

Well, it didn't seem obvious to either of you, as you were talking about how Euroleague statistics aren't comparable. Childress the Euroleague prospect!

His stats were even worse when he played in the NBA... he regressed in 07-08, so you're hurting your argument.

I'm not hurting my argument at all.

2004-05: 15.2 PER
2005-06: 15.8 PER
2006-07: 16.2 PER
2007-08: 17.8 PER

He improved every year in the NBA. He started out as a roughly average player and was solidly above-average by the year prior to going to Greece. PER adjusts for pace, opportunities to rebound and it factors in drawing and making free throws and the fact that three-point shots are worth more points into scoring efficiency.

When you factor those things in, Childress is an incredibly efficient (though not volume) scorer, a very good rebounder for a wing and a solid passer for a wing. He's also generally considered a good defender, which isn't really considered in PER.

He's not a star, but he's a tremendous complementary player.

 

[Minstrel]

Why'd he play less minutes? On Atlanta of all places...

Probably because Atlanta was stuffed with young wings. Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Josh Childress, Marvin Williams. They were completely unbalanced in terms of team composition.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

Well, it didn't seem obvious to either of you, as you were talking about how Euroleague statistics aren't comparable. Childress the Euroleague prospect!



I'm not hurting my argument at all.

2004-05: 15.2 PER
2005-06: 15.8 PER
2006-07: 16.2 PER
2007-08: 17.8 PER

He improved every year in the NBA. He started out as a roughly average player and was solidly above-average by the year prior to going to Greece. PER adjusts for pace, opportunities to rebound and it factors in drawing and making free throws and the fact that three-point shots are worth more points into scoring efficiency.

When you factor those things in, Childress is an incredibly efficient (though not volume) scorer, a very good rebounder for a wing and a solid passer for a wing. He's also generally considered a good defender, which isn't really considered in PER.

He's not a star, but he's a tremendous complementary player.

He isn't a big threat from 3. That doesn't help us. He creates and passes about like Travis. That doesn't help us. How does this help Roy? I just don't think he fits our needs.


Does this mean we're not going to agree to disagree? I was so looking forward to that.

 

[axs88]

While I don't know enough to comment on Turk v Childman as to whom is better, I'd have to agree wholeheartedly with this quote. People seem to want to treat the Euroleague and the NBA as apples to apples when it clearly is not. Is the competition close? Sure, on some teams, against some teams, and in some leagues. But close and on par..well...and facing that competition level night in and night out might be a different story.

Guess we won't know till we sign both of them and have them replace Webster, Batum, and Outlaw.

Except the comparison was based on his production in the NBA...
edit: late reply, never mind

 

[Minstrel]

He isn't a big threat from 3. That doesn't help us.

He isn't a big threat, but he's a decent threat. He shoots 36% from three-point range, career. Designated shooter, Martell Webster, shoots 37%, career.

He creates and passes about like Travis. That doesn't help us. How does this help Roy? I just don't think he fits our needs.

I think he's a significantly better and smarter passer than Outlaw, but I agree that he's not a primary creator.

It's reasonable to believe that the fit isn't ideal. I think he fits well because he plays good defense, provides all-around contribution and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective (which will be important as Roy, Aldridge and Oden start to suck up the vast majority of shots, to say nothing of Bayless if he develops).

Does this mean we're not going to agree to disagree? I was so looking forward to that.

We can surely agree to disagree. I took your continued posts in response to mine as a consensual discussion.

 

[yakbladder]

Are you two being serious or doing an extended comedic bit? Surely you realize that Childress has played the majority of his pro career in the NBA? He's played four seasons in the NBA and one in Europe. In terms of competition faced, are his NBA seasons comparable to Turkoglu's NBA seasons?

Nope..hence why I said I don't know enough to comment on the comparison. My mis-read, my bad.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

He isn't a big threat, but he's a decent threat. He shoots 36% from three-point range, career. Designated shooter, Martell Webster, shoots 37%, career.

He shoots less than one a game. That's not a threat even if he shoots 50%.

We can surely agree to disagree. I took your continued posts in response to mine as a consensual discussion.

You stop first

Okay, I'm leaving.

 

[Minstrel]

He shoots less than one a game. That's not a threat even if he shoots 50%.

He shoots when he's open, basically, because he realizes he's not a great enough shooter to knock them down, contested. I certainly don't think he's a great shooter, but he's good enough to take advantage of open threes if defenders leave him to double Roy, Aldridge or Oden. In Atlanta, there wasn't much post presence to pull defenders away.

You stop first

Okay, I'm leaving.

Agree to disagree.

 

[oldmangrouch]

What is Childress making in Europe? I am drawing a blank, but I thought he was doing pretty well financially.

There are really 2 cost factors here: what are his salary expectations, and what would the Hawks want as compensation for the S&T. The fact that there have been zero rumors about teams courting the Hawks/Childress makes me wonder if one or both demands are too high.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Didn't Chill blow out his ACL this past year? I like him, but I'm a little concerned about just where he is in his recovery from that injury.