Science The Hard Cap and you - please read

[Natebishop3]

"The Tax Apron is the amount above the Tax Level that cannot be exceed by any team that uses the non-taxpayer mid-level exception or the bi-annual exception, or by any team that acquires a free agent in a sign-and-trade. When the Tax Apron applies to a team, it serves as a “hard cap” that the team cannot exceed under any circumstances. The Tax Apron for the 2019-20 season is $138.928 million. (Because there were so many sign-and-trade transactions during the 2019-20 free agency period, along with a few teams that used the non-taxpayer mid-level and bi-annual exceptions, half of the league is hard-capped.) The Tax Apron amount increases (or decreases) each year at one-half the rate of increase (or decrease) in the Salary Cap."

https://cbabreakdown.com/salary-cap-overview

This is important because now that we will be hard capped, we cannot go above the salary cap for any reason. That includes signing veteran minimum players.

Also important, NBA teams are required to have a minimum of 13 players on their roster. 12 active and 1 inactive.

Here is a scenario that we can no longer do because of the hard cap:



This would not work because we remove 5 players from our team, bringing us down to 10. Durant makes 11. We would need one more player to achieve the minimum active 12 players. We would need 2 players to hit the 13 player mark, but no cap space to sign those players because we would still be at the hard cap.

If I am getting any of this wrong @hoopsjock let me know.

 

[tykendo]

Explain to me how a Warriors team that is at 300 mil. is not hard capped.

 

[RR7]

Explain to me how a Warriors team that is at 300 mil. is not hard capped.

They didn't use the full mle, BAE, or receive anyone in a S&T, which is what triggers the hard cap.

 

[Natebishop3]

Explain to me how a Warriors team that is at 300 mil. is not hard capped.

This is the part you're looking for:

The Tax Apron is the amount above the Tax Level that cannot be exceed by any team that uses the non-taxpayer mid-level exception or the bi-annual exception.

We gave GP2 the non-taxpayer mid-level exception, which is what triggers the hard cap.

 

[oldmangrouch]

At the end of next season, I wonder what team will have the worst ratio of wins-to-dollars-spent?

 

[TBpup]

"The Tax Apron is the amount above the Tax Level that cannot be exceed by any team that uses the non-taxpayer mid-level exception or the bi-annual exception, or by any team that acquires a free agent in a sign-and-trade. When the Tax Apron applies to a team, it serves as a “hard cap” that the team cannot exceed under any circumstances. The Tax Apron for the 2019-20 season is $138.928 million. (Because there were so many sign-and-trade transactions during the 2019-20 free agency period, along with a few teams that used the non-taxpayer mid-level and bi-annual exceptions, half of the league is hard-capped.) The Tax Apron amount increases (or decreases) each year at one-half the rate of increase (or decrease) in the Salary Cap."

https://cbabreakdown.com/salary-cap-overview

This is important because now that we will be hard capped, we cannot go above the salary cap for any reason. That includes signing veteran minimum players.

Also important, NBA teams are required to have a minimum of 13 players on their roster. 12 active and 1 inactive.

Here is a scenario that we can no longer do because of the hard cap:

View attachment 48267

This would not work because we remove 5 players from our team, bringing us down to 10. Durant makes 11. We would need one more player to achieve the minimum active 12 players. We would need 2 players to hit the 13 player mark, but no cap space to sign those players because we would still be at the hard cap.

If I am getting any of this wrong @hoopsjock let me know.

Just edit that one line. We will be WAY over the salary cap.

 

[illmatic99]

At the end of next season, I wonder what team will have the worst ratio of wins-to-dollars-spent?

we'll be fine in that metric because our tax bill will still be < 10 mil with any other moves. our payroll even with the tax is about 14th in the league currently.

next year might be an issue as a repeater, but you hope we'll be better then.

 

[noknobs]

We gave GP2 the non-taxpayer mid-level exception, which is what triggers the hard cap.

Does that already apply even though he hasn't actually signed yet?

 

[Natebishop3]

Does that already apply even though he hasn't actually signed yet?

No, but here's the problem, as others have pointed out the order of operations doesn't matter. As soon as he signs it, we have to be at or below that threshold. You can't go over it for any reason. So it's not like we can go make a bunch of other moves and then sign him. If he signs that contract, we have to be at or below the apron. Period.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'll admit...I have not watched much of Bruce Brown so I can't really gauge his talent against Payton, who I have seen quite a bit of

but if you had your druthers, which would you pick:

1) Payton for the MLE with Blazers being hard-capped

or

2) Brown for the tax-MLE without Blazers being hard capped

 

[HansenYang]

we'll be fine in that metric because our tax bill will still be < 10 mil with any other moves. our payroll even with the tax is about 14th in the league currently.

next year might be an issue as a repeater, but you hope we'll be better then.

Next year Portland will not be in the repeater either. Earliest it can happen is the '24-'25 season.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'll admit...I have not watched much of Bruce Brown so I can't really gauge his talent against Payton, who I have seen quite a bit of

but if you had your druthers, which would you pick:

1) Payton for the MLE with Blazers being hard-capped

or

2) Brown for the tax-MLE without Blazers being hard capped

I'd take Brown because not being hard capped is key. We can't even try to go after a KD or Simmons or any other consolidation trade.

 

[e_blazer]

Here's a consolidation trade example that works from a CBA standpoint:



EDIT: And I think leaves enough space to sign two vets at minimum contract value.

 

[Blazer Freak]

No, but here's the problem, as others have pointed out the order of operations doesn't matter. As soon as he signs it, we have to be at or below that threshold. You can't go over it for any reason. So it's not like we can go make a bunch of other moves and then sign him. If he signs that contract, we have to be at or below the apron. Period.

This make sense...but am I wrong in thinking that gives PDX from now until GP2 signs the deal to trade Bledsoe in a deal that keeps us under the hard cap? Blazers could also include Keon and Didi in the deal to relieve even more money.

I'm assuming we make a deal for a starting SF with a package that contains some (or all of these pieces): Nas/Hart/Bledsoe/Picks

or

Bledsoe/Didi/Keon for a backup younger 4/5 with potential

then signing GP2 and being hard-capped.

Am I wrong in that not being possible? Or as long as the deal including EB keeps us below the hard-cap it would work?

 

[Natebishop3]

Here's a consolidation trade example that works from a CBA standpoint:

View attachment 48276

EDIT: And I think leaves enough space to sign two vets at minimum contract value.

I would love to see that happen.... but a week ago Toronto wanted the 7th pick and either Hart or Little AND a future pick.

 

[e_blazer]

I would love to see that happen.... but a week ago Toronto wanted the 7th pick and either Hart or Little AND a future pick.

Meh. It's an example for illustration purposes only. And things change.

 

[Natebishop3]

This make sense...but am I wrong in thinking that gives PDX from now until GP2 signs the deal to trade Bledsoe in a deal that keeps us under the hard cap? Blazers could also include Keon and Didi in the deal to relieve even more money.

I'm assuming we make a deal for a starting SF with a package that contains some (or all of these pieces): Nas/Hart/Bledsoe/Picks

or

Bledsoe/Didi/Keon for a backup younger 4/5 with potential

then signing GP2 and being hard-capped.

Am I wrong in that not being possible? Or as long as the deal including EB keeps us below the hard-cap it would work?

I almost wonder if the reason why the Detroit trade isn't done is because we convinced them to give us time to either use Bledsoe or the TPE. I kinda wonder if now the trade will be for Bledsoe instead of the TPE.

 

[Natebishop3]

Meh. It's an example for illustration purposes only. And things change.

Have to think at this point it can't include Sharpe because he just signed his contractor. So it would have to be for Hart/Keon/picks.

 

[Blazer Freak]

I almost wonder if the reason why the Detroit trade isn't done is because we convinced them to give us time to either use Bledsoe or the TPE. I kinda wonder if now the trade will be for Bledsoe instead of the TPE.

I'm sure that is the reason. I think a majority of the roster is set, it just revolves around the 3 and I think Cronin and Co. are keeping as many options open as long as possible to potentially be a facilitator in a KD/Kyrie deal. Could we consolidate with picks for OG still? Simmons? If we can preserve the TPE it would potentially allow for the use of it until the deadline, correct?

 

[Natebishop3]

Take protections off the Chicago pick.

Offer Toronto Hart/Keon/Two FRPs for OG.

Dame/GP
Ant/Sharpe
OG/Little
Grant/Winslow
Nurk/Watford/Eubanks

 

[B-Roy]

Take protections off the Chicago pick.

Offer Toronto Hart/Keon/Two FRPs for OG.

Dame/GP
Ant/Sharpe
OG/Little
Grant/Winslow
Nurk/Watford/Eubanks

I like OG but you don't empty your clip for someone like OG....

 

[Natebishop3]

I like OG but you don't empty your clip for someone like OG....

Yeah.... I just don't see many other options within a price range that would have the kind of effect that we want. OG would balance the roster out and solidify the three spot. And he's young enough to straddle both timelines.

 

[B-Roy]

Yeah.... I just don't see many other options within a price range that would have the kind of effect that we want. OG would balance the roster out and solidify the three spot. And he's young enough to straddle both timelines.

Just wait until next season when someone becomes available and we can convey our picks.

 

[e_blazer]

Have to think at this point it can't include Sharpe because he just signed his contractor. So it would have to be for Hart/Keon/picks.

I didn’t include Sharpe. I had Little in the trade.

 

[Natebishop3]

Just wait until next season when someone becomes available and we can convey our picks.

You're probably right and we just need to be patient this season and see what we have.

I'd really like to see what Ant/Nas/Sharpe can do this year. Probably toss Watford in there as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

I didn’t include Sharpe. I had Little in the trade.

Yeah, sorry, I'm just saying that their original demands included the 7th pick (which is now Sharpe) and he can't be included until probably... what... January?

 

[RR7]

Yeah, sorry, I'm just saying that their original demands included the 7th pick (which is now Sharpe) and he can't be included until probably... what... January?

30 days for rookies after signing.

 

[Natebishop3]

30 days for rookies after signing.

Ah ok, so still possible.

 

[hoopsjock]

They love Nas, Hart, Sharpe, and now GP2. I don't think there's a trade coming to consolidate.

Maybe someone under $6 million using Bledsoe/TPE (Jarred Vanderbilt) but they purposely set out for smaller wing defenders.

 

[TBpup]

They love Nas, Hart, Sharpe, and now GP2. I don't think there's a trade coming to consolidate.

Maybe someone under $6 million using Bledsoe/TPE (Jarred Vanderbilt) but they purposely set out for smaller wing defenders.

Would love to get Vanderbuilt....some actual size. I can appreciate that they love all those players, but only one of them will start this year. We still need another star. Doesn't look like it is happening anytime soon.