Science The Hard Cap and you - please read

[hoopsjock]

Would love to get Vanderbuilt....some actual size. I can appreciate that they love all those players, but only one of them will start this year. We still need another star. Doesn't look like it is happening anytime soon.

Yeah, maybe they get something done at the deadline when all the free agent contracts becone tradeable. Or maybe they duck the tax again and save Jody money!

 

[Strenuus]

I'd take Brown because not being hard capped is key. We can't even try to go after a KD or Simmons or any other consolidation trade.

Not going after Simmons is the best thing that could be for ANY team.

 

[TBpup]

Yeah, maybe they get something done at the deadline when all the free agent contracts becone tradeable. Or maybe they duck the tax again and save Jody money!

Sad that the premise is even a consideration.

 

[Idog1976]

Take protections off the Chicago pick.

Offer Toronto Hart/Keon/Two FRPs for OG.

Dame/GP
Ant/Sharpe
OG/Little
Grant/Winslow
Nurk/Watford/Eubanks

Why would we offer two first-round picks, Hart and Keon for OG he is NOT that good. I think that's almost worse than what we currently have and god forbid his knees give out, again.

 

[Idog1976]

Ah ok, so still possible.

Trading Sharpe (+ stuff!!!) for OG would go down in history as maybe the worst trade the Blazers have ever made. It would be up there with Jermaine O'Neal, Fat Lever, and maybe even going back to Moses Malone. It would be just horrid.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

"The Tax Apron is the amount above the Tax Level that cannot be exceed by any team that uses the non-taxpayer mid-level exception or the bi-annual exception, or by any team that acquires a free agent in a sign-and-trade. When the Tax Apron applies to a team, it serves as a “hard cap” that the team cannot exceed under any circumstances. The Tax Apron for the 2019-20 season is $138.928 million. (Because there were so many sign-and-trade transactions during the 2019-20 free agency period, along with a few teams that used the non-taxpayer mid-level and bi-annual exceptions, half of the league is hard-capped.) The Tax Apron amount increases (or decreases) each year at one-half the rate of increase (or decrease) in the Salary Cap."

https://cbabreakdown.com/salary-cap-overview

This is important because now that we will be hard capped, we cannot go above the salary cap for any reason. That includes signing veteran minimum players.

Also important, NBA teams are required to have a minimum of 13 players on their roster. 12 active and 1 inactive.

Here is a scenario that we can no longer do because of the hard cap:

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This would not work because we remove 5 players from our team, bringing us down to 10. Durant makes 11. We would need one more player to achieve the minimum active 12 players. We would need 2 players to hit the 13 player mark, but no cap space to sign those players because we would still be at the hard cap.

If I am getting any of this wrong @hoopsjock let me know.

You can have more than 12 active. I don't know when the rule changed but it did. Used to be 12 active 3 inactive. Now, I think at least 13 can play in a single game. Maybe more. Anyone know? As for your KD trade example, all you have to do is add other Nets scrubs to the trade.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Trading Sharpe (+ stuff!!!) for OG would go down in history as maybe the worst trade the Blazers have ever made. It would be up there with Jermaine O'Neal, Fat Lever, and maybe even going back to Moses Malone. It would be just horrid.

OG's ceiling is higher than you think. NOT trading Sharpe for OG could be like NOT drafting CP3 because we already have Telfair.

 

[tykendo]

They didn't use the full mle, BAE, or receive anyone in a S&T, which is what triggers the hard cap.

Would love to get Vanderbuilt....some actual size. I can appreciate that they love all those players, but only one of them will start this year. We still need another star. Doesn't look like it is happening anytime soon.

Vanderbilt would be a very nice addition.

 

[tykendo]

OG's ceiling is higher than you think. NOT trading Sharpe for OG could be like NOT drafting CP3 because we already have Telfair.

We agree to disagree. OG has potential, but he's very inconsistent. If the Raptors really were asking for 2 first & Hart, FIRM , they're delusional. He hasn't shown enough to require that kind of comp. in return.

 

[wizenheimer]

We agree to disagree. OG has potential, but he's very inconsistent..

OG is 25 and he's started every game he's played over the last 3 seasons averaging around 33 minutes. So he's probably well past the point where potential has just morphed into 'room-for-improvement'

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Vanderbilt would be a very nice addition.

Agreed. I heard Keon plus a second could get it done. I would approve.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Agreed. I heard Keon plus a second could get it done. I would approve.

Where did you hear this from?
Anyone with legitimate sources?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Bump. For the love of God folks, please read this before posting.

 

[Natebishop3]

Bump. For the love of God folks, please read this before posting.

It’s something that will need to be repeated over and over and over throughout the season.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So just to clarify, if a team only used a portion of the mle, could they still make a trade that put them over the hard cap thingy?

 

[illmatic99]

So just to clarify, if a team only used a portion of the mle, could they still make a trade that put them over the hard cap thingy?

As long as they use an amount equal to the tax payer mle or about 6.5 mil starting, then they would not be hard capped. If that was Paytons starting salary instead of the reported 8.9 mil, then this would not be an issue.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

So just to clarify, if a team only used a portion of the mle, could they still make a trade that put them over the hard cap thingy?

No.

Any team that spends even $1 more than the Tax-MLE (~$6.5M) is hard capped at the apron, which is set at ~$158M.

The hard capped teams make make as many moves as they want as long as they dont exceed that total cap amount at any time or for any reason.

 

[wizenheimer]

there are two types of trades (other than pick for pick): trades that send out more salary than they bring back; and trades that send out less salary than they bring back. A hard-capped team is limited to the first option. That doesn't mean a hard-capped team can't make a trade. it just means that half of the NBA trade landscape is off-limits

 

[Mediocre Man]

As long as they use an amount equal to the tax payer mle or about 6.5 mil starting, then they would not be hard capped. If that was Paytons starting salary instead of the reported 8.9 mil, then this would not be an issue.

Thank you

 

[Mediocre Man]

No.

Any team that spends even $1 more than the Tax-MLE (~$6.5M) is hard capped at the apron, which is set at ~$158M.

The hard capped teams make make as many moves as they want as long as they dont exceed that total cap amount at any time or for any reason.

So if we are at the hard cap thingy, we HAVE to trade $ for $, or $ for less?

 

[RR7]

So if we are at the hard cap thingy, we HAVE to trade $ for $, or $ for less?

correct

 

[wizenheimer]

So if we are at the hard cap thingy, we HAVE to trade $ for $, or $ for less?

pretty much. I think the Blazers are 3-4M under the apron but they need to leave some margin for trades, 10-day contracts, injury exceptions, etc.

 

[Natebishop3]

So if we are at the hard cap thingy, we HAVE to trade $ for $, or $ for less?

Not just money for money or money for less, but we have to be able to make sure we are at 14 players as well.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Not just money for money or money for less, but we have to be able to make sure we are at 14 players as well.

Why not 15?

 

[Natebishop3]

Why not 15?

Minimum of 14.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Minimum of 14.

Thank you.

so theoretically, we can guarantee up to $19,375,000 of Bledsoe’s contract and take $19,375,000 or less back on or before July 10th

 

[hoopsjock]

Thank you.

so theoretically, we can guarantee up to $19,375,000 of Bledsoe’s contract and take $19,375,000 or less back on or before July 10th

Nope, cause that would put us way over the hard cap. Can't go over no matter what. That ship sailed the minute they used $1 more than the Tax-MLE to sign Payton. (When it's actually official is irrelevant)

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nope, cause that would put us way over the hard cap. Can't go over no matter what. That ship sailed the minute they used $1 more than the Tax-MLE to sign Payton. (When it's actually official is irrelevant)

Ok, so if they’re hypothetically 4 million under the hard cap, they can guarantee Bledsoe for that amount or less and trade him for that amount or less

 

[Natebishop3]

Ok, so if they’re hypothetically 4 million under the hard cap, they can guarantee Bledsoe for that amount or less and trade him for that amount or less

Yes. I’m actually hoping they use him in the Grant trade instead of the TPE so we can get rid of Bledsoes minimum 3.5 million. Every little bit will count.

 

[hoopsjock]

Ok, so if they’re hypothetically 4 million under the hard cap, they can guarantee Bledsoe for that amount or less and trade him for that amount or less

They still have the RoCo TPE, which is about $6.5 million. So technically they don't need to change the guaranteed amount.