The history of the #6 and #11 picks since 1980s

[EL PRESIDENTE]

But of course, we're going to get franchise changing players despite this history. :MARIS61:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-6

2011 Jan Vesely, Czech Republic – Washington Wizards
2010 Ekpe Udoh, Baylor – Golden State Warriors

2000’s

2009 Johnny Flynn, Syracuse – Minnesota Timberwolves
2008 Danilo Gallinari, Italy – New York Knicks
2007 Yi Jianlian, China – Milwaukee Bucks
2006 Brandon Roy, Washington – Minnesota Timberwolves (Draft rights traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
2005 Martell Webster, Seattle Prep HS – Portland Trail Blazers
2004 Josh Childress, Stanford – Atlanta Hawks
2003 Chris Kaman, Central Michigan – L.A. Clippers
2002 Dajuan Wagner, Memphis – Cleveland Cavaliers
2001 Shane Battier, Duke – Memphis Grizzlies
2000 DerMarr Johnson, Cincinnati – Atlanta Hawks

1990’s

1999 Wally Szczerbiak, Miami (Ohio) – Minnesota Timberwolves
1998 Robert Traylor, Michigan – Dallas Mavericks (Draft rights traded to Milwaukee Bucks)
1997 Ron Mercer, Kentucky – Boston Celtics
1996 Antoine Walker, Kentucky – Boston Celtics
1995 Bryant Reeves, Oklahoma State – Vancouver Grizzlies
1994 Sharone Wright, Clemson – Philadelphia 76ers
1993 Calbert Cheaney, Indiana – Washington Wizards
1992 Tom Gugliotta, North Carolina State – Washington Bullets
1991 Doug Smith, Missouri – Dallas Mavericks
1990 Felton Spencer, Louisville – Minnesota Timberwolves

1980’s

1989 Stacey King, Oklahoma – Chicago Bulls
1988 Hersey Hawkins, Bradley – L.A. Clippers (Draft rights traded to Philadelphia 76ers)
1987 Kenny Smith, North Carolina – Sacramento Kings
1986 William Bedford, Memphis State – Phoenix Suns
1985 Joe Kleine, Arkansas – Sacramento Kings
1984 Mel Turpin, Kentucky – Washington Bullets (Draft rights traded to Cleveland Cavaliers)
1983 Russell Cross, Purdue – Golden State Warriors
1982 Trent Tucker, Minnesota – New York Knicks
1981 Orlando Woolridge, Notre Dame – Chicago Bulls
1980 Mike O’Koren, North Carolina – New Jersey Nets

http://www.hoopsworld.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-11

2011 Klay Thompson, Washington State – Golden State Warriors
2010 Cole Aldrich, Kansas – New Orleans Hornets (Draft rights traded to OKC Thunder)

2000’s

2009 Terrence Williams, Louisville – New Jersey Nets
2008 Jerryd Bayless, Arizona – Indiana Pacers
2007 Acie Law IV, Texas A&M – Atlanta Hawks
2006 J.J. Redick, Duke – Orlando Magic
2005 Fran Vazquez, Spain – Orlando Magic
2004 Andris Biedrins, BK Skonto Riga (Latvia) – Golden State Warriors
2003 Mickael Pietrus, France – Golden State Warriors
2002 Jared Jeffries, Indiana – Washington Wizards
2001 Kedrick Brown, Okaloosa-Walton CC (Fla.) – Boston Celtics
2000 Jerome Moiso, UCLA – Boston Celtics

1990’s

1999 Trajan Langdon, Duke – Cleveland Cavaliers
1998 Bonzi Wells, Ball State – Detroit Pistons
1997 Olivier Saint-Jean, San Jose State – Sacramento Kings
1996 Todd Fuller, North Carolina State – Golden State Warriors
1995 Gary Trent, Ohio – Milwaukee Bucks (Draft rights traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
1994 Carlos Rogers, Tennessee State – Seattle Supersonics
1993 Allan Houston, Tennessee – Detroit Pistons
1992 Robert Horry, Alabama – Houston Rockets
1991 Terrell Brandon, Oregon – Cleveland Cavaliers
1990 Tyrone Hill, Xavier – Golden State Warriors

1980’s

1989 Nick Anderson, Illinois – Orlando Magic
1988 Will Perdue, Vanderbilt – Chicago Bulls
1987 Reggie Miller, UCLA – Indiana Pacers
1986 John Salley, Georgia Tech – Detroit Pistons
1985 Keith Lee, Memphis State – Chicago Bulls (Draft rights traded to Cleveland Cavaliers)
1984 Kevin Willis, Michigan State – Atlanta Hawks
1983 Derek Harper, Illinois – Dallas Mavericks
1982 Lafayette Lever, Arizona State – Portland Trail Blazers
1981 Frank Johnson, Wake Forest – Washington Bullets
1980 Kiki Vandeweghe, UCLA – Dallas Mavericks

*note we did draft brandon roy, however, that makes it even less likely that we will find another diamond in the rough. trade up or package to get a better veteran player.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I'm with you on this. much of the talk is why trade the draft picks just to get a player who won't make the Blazers a championship contender. Well odds are that if Blazer keep their picks, they aren't going to draft players to make them championship contenders.

At this stage for the Blazers, I'll take a proven commodity over potential.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I'm not opposed to dealing the picks just as long as they acquire players that are young enough (20-25) to build around. The faster they realize this team is not a win-now roster the better.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

"young enough to build around" doesn't cut it. Has to be top 3 pick or a superstar. only thing that should be on the Blazers mind.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I don't understand that mindset. The roster has way too many holes, adding an aging "star" will not help this team get out of the first round. Looking at this team long-term it's pretty bleak if you don't bring in young talent to groom. San Antonio and Indiana are prime examples of building for now with an eye on the future.

 

[julius]

good thing we're all expecting a franchise changing player at #11.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't understand that mindset. The roster has way too many holes, adding an aging "star" will not help this team get out of the first round. Looking at this team long-term it's pretty bleak if you don't bring in young talent to groom. San Antonio and Indiana are prime examples of building for now with an eye on the future.

will Indiana ever come out of the east without a major move for a star? doubtful.

You can only really build by trading for stars or drafting with a top 3 pick. You don't fill the holes first, you get the big talent THEN fill the holes. that's how you win in this league. sure, building young teams, balanced players, chemistry, blah blah blah and building them over years and years sounds fun in theory, but it rarely works.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I don't understand that mindset. The roster has way too many holes, adding an aging "star" will not help this team get out of the first round. Looking at this team long-term it's pretty bleak if you don't bring in young talent to groom. San Antonio and Indiana are prime examples of building for now with an eye on the future.

I agree with this. Trade picks is fine so long as it's for a younger player with proven skills. After looking over the list, it's apparent our chances of getting two potential NBA starters is about 5%.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think your logic has a flaw.

Luol Deng was a #7 pick. Joakim Noah was a #9 pick.

In theory, you could get a guy like those for the #6 pick.

You can't just look at the historical picks without looking at who those guys were taken ahead of.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

the majority of #11 picks going back 20 years have been meh nba players denny....of course you can win the powerball, but odds are YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think your logic has a flaw.

Luol Deng was a #7 pick. Joakim Noah was a #9 pick.

In theory, you could get a guy like those for the #6 pick.

You can't just look at the historical picks without looking at who those guys were taken ahead of.

Not really. We can also look at the #7 and #9 pick and it should follow a similar pattern. Perhaps one or two diamonds in the rough, but generally, it is just that...the rough. I mean we can look at the #57th pick and say: wow, manu ginobili was selected there...that must mean its more valuable than the #6 pick! if you look at historical #57s though, you'll see getting a good player is an outlier.

 

[MARIS61]

So in 30 years the 2 picks yielded a total of 2 solid starters (Roy and Vandeweghe) and 1 solid bench player (Horry). The other 57 players were either crappy, mediocre, or had major personality disorders which negated their talent value (Bonzi). None of those 57 had any major positive effect on the teams that drafted them.

My advice is trade up or trade picks for players.

 

[SecretAgentMan]

Not really. We can also look at the #7 and #9 pick and it should follow a similar pattern. Perhaps one or two diamonds in the rough, but generally, it is just that...the rough. I mean we can look at the #57th pick and say: wow, manu ginobili was selected there...that must mean its more valuable than the #6 pick! if you look at historical #57s though, you'll see getting a good player is an outlier.

Your logic makes my head explode

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Good post. The draft is a crapshoot. That said, I also advise trading both picks, but only for a star, and a star who is not older than Aldridge. This particular draft is a crapshoot after #1 so I don't advise trading up either; I agree with a poster who said it's better to take two chances and hope one turns out well.

 

[bigbailes]

my thing with #6 this season is that it's a deep draft and most people agree that 2-6/7 are all on about the same tier. so why trade up to 2, unless you fall in love with one guy, instead of taking whatever guy falls to you? i know most years it's a couple guys at the top and then a big dropoff, but i don't see that as the case this year.

 

[Blazer Freak]

I think your logic has a flaw.

Luol Deng was a #7 pick. Joakim Noah was a #9 pick.

In theory, you could get a guy like those for the #6 pick.

You can't just look at the historical picks without looking at who those guys were taken ahead of.

Agreed. This is a pretty stupid premise. It has more to do with the quality of the draft and the talent evaluators than the pick's position.

Regardless LILLARD AT #6

 

[Public Defender]

I wouldn't have a problem with a player on the level of about 1/3 to 1/2 of the #6 picks. Shane Battier, Antoine Walker, Ron Mercer, Tom Gugliotta, Kenny Smith, Hersey Hawkins, Chris Kaman, Brandon Roy, and Danilo Galinari are enough for me to believe that in general, the #6 pick provides opportunities. The #11 pick is certainly more of a crapshoot, but it is possible to pick up a solid role player - JJ Redick, Jared Jeffries, Tyrone Hill, Gary Trent, or even a star - Reggie Miller, Allan Houston, Kiki Vandeweghe, or something in between - Terrell Brandon, Robert Horry, etc.

But I think I'd lean toward trading up, unless this is really a freak show of a deep draft, with a potential Allan Houston waiting for the Blazers at #11.

 

[Draco]

I think these lists have better odds then the Blazers history of drafting with the #1 overall pick.

 

[Sinobas]

You also have to make adjustments for the Blazers drafting prowess....so let's take a look at the history of the #14 and #22 picks.