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Denny Crane said:
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/12/news/bush.tarp/index.htm?postversion=2009011222

Obama: Give me the money

Top aide to president-elect tells Congress it's urgent that $350 billion in remaining bailout funds be put to work. Bush makes formal request to lawmakers.
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article critical of how bush spent first half of the bailout cash and how Obama administration would require more oversight, and damn that forecloser/consumer protection part. Kenyan communist obviously sending the taxpayers money to relieve tax payers and not cooperations.
 
Denny Crane said:
In other words, the social democracies want to spend beyond their means and have Germany pay for it.

:lol:
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Germany's economy is suffering as well. If they didn't like the game they should have never entered the EU. A shared economy with different governments is a bad idea IMO.

In the US the blue states pay for the red ones for the most part. Difference is the federal government.
 
donkiez said:
Germany's economy is suffering as well. If they didn't like the game they should have never entered the EU. A shared economy with different governments is a bad idea IMO.

In the US the blue states pay for the red ones for the most part. Difference is the federal government.
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so TRUE dat
 
donkiez said:
I think people are throwing the word hate around so much that it looses its meaning. I doubt republicans actually hate the poor and minorities


All the republicans I know say they liked Clinton as a way to prove they are some how slightly bipartisan but all these same people were on the impeach train. Also all these republican that "loved" bill now hate Hillary.

Obstructions kept Obama from doing his job. Period. You may not like the direction but you have to give it a chance. The republicans said from Day 1 that they would do it and they kept to their word. One of the only promises they have kept.

Enormous debt, lol. What should we have done austerity? Worked pretty good for Greece didnt it? Also the first bailout payment was under Bush, so nice try trying to pin that all on Obama but he was handed a flaming pile of shit with no option but to bail out. What happened afetwards with the banks was BS and deserves attention but no one seems to care.

Low interests, TBill and general FED bullshit is a problem but it was not invented by Obama. The crisis had been brewing for decades and this was essentially a continuation policy. I agree with a brewing bubble though, nothing got fixed.
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The reason why a lot of Republicans liked Clinton was he was willing to give and take with the other party to get things done. Obama didn't... Obama forced the issue and would rather do a "stale mate" then give into anything the GOP had to offer. It was his way or the highway, up until the GOP gained control and forced Obama to give.

I'm tired of the bullshit excuses of Obama being some hero that saved the economic future of this country. When he was in office and the Democrats had control of the Senate, we doubled the spending and debt of GW Bush. Only until the GOP gained control of the Senate was when we had true checks and balances.

I'm not saying either party is some great power, but the balance must be needed in order to keep this country healthy.
 
magnifier661 said:
The reason why a lot of Republicans liked Clinton was he was willing to give and take with the other party to get things done. Obama didn't... Obama forced the issue and would rather do a "stale mate" then give into anything the GOP had to offer. It was his way or the highway, up until the GOP gained control and forced Obama to give.

I'm tired of the bullshit excuses of Obama being some hero that saved the economic future of this country. When he was in office and the Democrats had control of the Senate, we doubled the spending and debt of GW Bush. Only until the GOP gained control of the Senate was when we had true checks and balances.

I'm not saying either party is some great power, but the balance must be needed in order to keep this country healthy.
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I dont think anyone considers Obama a superhero, if you think thats the liberal perspective then you've been reading to much of The Blaze. FWIW I dont think McCain or Romney would have done much different, the bail out was about appeasing corporations which own our politicians, doesnt really matter which one is in office.

I have plenty of criticism for Obama but it centers around the Wall Street accountability and the NSA. A lot of the public criticism I hear is just Obama hate, short term memories, or skewed information.
 
lawai'a said:
article critical of how bush spent first half of the bailout cash and how Obama administration would require more oversight, and damn that forecloser/consumer protection part. Kenyan communist obviously sending the taxpayers money to relieve tax payers and not cooperations.
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He spent every dollar he could that we didn't have to spend. Period.
 
donkiez said:
Germany's economy is suffering as well. If they didn't like the game they should have never entered the EU. A shared economy with different governments is a bad idea IMO.

In the US the blue states pay for the red ones for the most part. Difference is the federal government.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression#Germany

Hitler followed an autarky economic policy, creating a network of client states and economic allies in central Europe and Latin America. By cutting wages and taking control of labor unions, plus public works spending, unemployment fell significantly by 1935. Large scale military spending played a major role in the recovery.[91]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky

Autarky is the quality of being self-sufficient. Usually the term is applied to political states or their economic systems. Autarky exists whenever an entity can survive or continue its activities without external assistance or international trade. If a self-sufficient economy also refuses all trade with the outside world then it is called a closed economy.[1]

(Looks like austerity got the Germans out of the Great Depression half a decade sooner than FDR's opposite policies. And then it was only sending 5M people who needed jobs over to Europe and the far east to fight in the wars that got us out of it.
 
If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it.

In most countries of the world, recovery from the Great Depression began in 1933.[11] In the U.S., recovery began in early 1933,[11] but the U.S. did not return to 1929 GNP for over a decade and still had an unemployment rate of about 15% in 1940, albeit down from the high of 25% in 1933.

(From the same WikiPedia link above)
 
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And that's a fact.
 
lawai'a said:
total public debt is total public debt. what are you trying to say?
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You are counting the social security surpluses from Reagan onward. That money was spent long ago. The trust fund MUST buy T-Bills by law. Obama nor Bush nor anyone else could change that amount of the debt.

Debt held by the publisher c is money the government borrows to set on fire, as Obama has.

Nothing to show for it.

In other news, in Oklahoma and/or the Dakotas, Walmart pays $15/hr. Guess why? It's 100% contrary to Democratic Party programs.
 
http://www.cerescourier.com/section/22/article/5179/

In Williston, N.D., economists argue the basic minimum wage is $14 because you can't hire anyone for less.The city's unemployment rate is 0.90 percent (that's not a misprint) thanks to it being located in the heart of the shale oil boom.

Walmart in Williston advertises the low-end cashier's job for $17.40 an hour and they still struggle to fill them.
 
Denny Crane said:
You are counting the social security surpluses from Reagan onward. That money was spent long ago. The trust fund MUST buy T-Bills by law. Obama nor Bush nor anyone else could change that amount of the debt.

Debt held by the publisher c is money the government borrows to set on fire, as Obama has.

Nothing to show for it.

In other news, in Oklahoma and/or the Dakotas, Walmart pays $15/hr. Guess why? It's 100% contrary to Democratic Party programs.
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total public is t
Denny Crane said:
http://www.cerescourier.com/section/22/article/5179/

In Williston, N.D., economists argue the basic minimum wage is $14 because you can't hire anyone for less.The city's unemployment rate is 0.90 percent (that's not a misprint) thanks to it being located in the heart of the shale oil boom.

Walmart in Williston advertises the low-end cashier's job for $17.40 an hour and they still struggle to fill them.
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jlprk is right you cant help hijacking a pro democratic thread only turn it into a rant against Obama. try engaging on the topic and try keeping it topical
 
Clinton ran surpluses and the national debt went up.

Once you wrap your head around that, and why, you will see your folly.
 
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/hotproperty/archives/2008/02/clintons_drive.html

Democrats and their do good caused the problems. Look to Clinton, Christ Dodd, Barney Frank and their Home ownership for all policies. Actually it is not right to call them policies as that
would lend some legitimacy. These people should have known better, reading Secrets of the Temple would be a good start. Bush didn't change it so he too has some responsibility although
Jack Kemp tried to make some corrections, but Dems ran the congress, so down the tube we went with the Coriolis effect clearly visible. Obama today has no fucking clue what happened.
He would do it again if he could out of rank ignorance. About 2005, I was asking self, how the hell does this work?? Ha! It don't!

When you run your economy with fiat money you must maintain a reasonably stable valued currency or you will get what you sow. Of course, combining Commercial banks with FDIC protected
consummer banks insures a faulter will result in a complete disater with the tax payer on the hook. That is Capitalism for profit, socialism for loss. And the Dems haven't got a clue what they do.

You can't have a Federal reserve responsible for maintaining the dollar and Democrats shucking out dollars by the bushel to lock up voters. Well I guess you can until the shit hits the fan
and then blame the Pubs. (like most of this board does).

Zero Down pay later! Man that is passing out cookies with wheelbarrow gathering up votes with each handful.

This is the classic example of the voters getting what they deserve out of sheer ignorance.
 
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We might survive the stuff the Dems do to us regarding the finances of the Nation, but I would rather they stick with shucking out dollars. I have zero confidence in them to negotiate a deal
that will protect us from Nuclear attack by a Nation with the stated goal of Death to America.
 
MarAzul said:
This is the classic example of the voters getting what they deserve out of shear ignorance.
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If I've told the voters once, I've told them a thousand times: Don't run with scissors!

barfo
 
barfo said:
If I've told the voters once, I've told them a thousand times: Don't run with scissors!

barfo
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Good catch. What else did you catch? The Title maybe.
 
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So here's a thought about the Iran deal.

The damage being done by Iran isn't their nuclear program, it's the support of surrogate terrorist groups like Hezzbolah, Hamas, and even Al Qaeda. They have their hands in all sorts of violence from Iraq and Afghanistan to Africa.

So eliminating the sanctions gives us what pressure to get them to stop?
 
Denny Crane said:
So eliminating the sanctions gives us what pressure to get them to stop?
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Eliminating the sanctions frees up billions to finance their terrorist activities.
We don't need an agreement with them nor do we need to go to war today. Any additional sanctions that can be applied would be appropriate until they stop supporting terrorist groups.
Time is on our side assuming we do have sufficient intelligence to gage where they are in the nuclear program. Take it out just before they fuse the bomb.
Who knows, leadership does change and people sometimes change their leadership.

It is very strange that we have no actual detail on what the agreement is we are about to make, so in that sense, Obama is just as bad as any dictator in history.
If he attempt to stick us with an agreement that we don't need without the advice and consent of the Senate, he is indeed a dictator. This attempt should alarm every American,
of any persuasion.

I don't know what is in the agreement, just speculation, but nothing about stopping any terrorist activity, nothing about getting the American Marine out of Iran. Only that we lift the sanctions. Why?
 
MarAzul said:
I don't know what is in the agreement, just speculation, but nothing about stopping any terrorist activity, nothing about getting the American Marine out of Iran. Only that we lift the sanctions. Why?
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Is the question why do people speculate, or is the question why do you believe the speculation?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Is the question why do people speculate, or is the question why do you believe the speculation?
barfo
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we lift the sanctions deserves a Why? But now that you ask, Why is Obama selling to the world instead of the American people?
 
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