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Jimmy Butler has surprisingly good numbers. I like him more and more as a second rounder (if only because athleticism was supposed to be his weakness). Check out the verticals of Isaiah Thomas and Kemba Walker (bearing in mind, though, that Jordan Farmar had a 42 inch vertical).
 
not the same sport I know.. but Jeff Maehl set some agility records in the NFL Combine IIRC and he still went undrafted.
 
The Jimmer also comes dead last of all those tested in Max Vertical Reach. It's nice to have SOME stereotypes confirmed.
 
Wheels said:
not the same sport I know.. but Jeff Maehl set some agility records in the NFL Combine IIRC and he still went undrafted.
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These are only "indicators" but IMO is does sort of suggest his slowness was exaggerated, perhaps quite a bit
 
I'm not sure what people are expecting at the 21st pick. Draft a player with a specific talent at that spot, IMO, unless a freak like Batum slips to you.

I'd be fine with either Fredette (Portland desperately needs shooters off of the bench) or Kenneth Faried (undersized, but could be a rebounding freak who has the athleticism to defend).
 
Rastapopoulos said:
The Jimmer also comes dead last of all those tested in Max Vertical Reach. It's nice to have SOME stereotypes confirmed.
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oh yes of course! max vertical reach is so very critical to a guy at his position and the skills he has - LOL
 
Blazinaway said:
These are only "indicators" but IMO is does sort of suggest his slowness was exaggerated, perhaps quite a bit
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Oh I know I wasnt shooting down your post. I have no idea what it could have been that made Maehl go undrafted actually lol. Just putting it out there.
 
If he's there when Portland picks and no one better is still on board, then why not.


Better still, why not move the pick and Rudy for a corn dog.
 
HCP said:
He is white..... no thanks!
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I know you're jesting, but it got me thinking.

Look at the teams that were left in the conference finals.

Chicago - Kyle Korver off of bench
Dallas - Peja off of bench
Miami - Mike Miller off of bench
OKC - no elite shooter off of bench

3/4 of the final 4 teams had a white player known as being great shooters providing offense off of the bench. Having a white guy (or black guy, but white this year) who is able to hit an open three consistently helps teams win in the playoffs. It stretches out the defense and gives your more rounded offensive players more room to operate.

If Jimmer proves to be an elite shooter, not just good, but elite, in workouts, I'd draft him.

:)
 
Wheels said:
Oh I know I wasnt shooting down your post. I have no idea what it could have been that made Maehl go undrafted actually lol. Just putting it out there.
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He ran 4.65 twice in his pro day in Eugene. That's why he wasn't drafted, and why Mike Hass wasn't drafted until the 7th round.
 
With the 21st pick, getting a rotation player is what we need to be looking at. And I think Jimmer is going to be a very good bench player following the Terry/Crawford mold.

I don't know why everyone is so against getting him.
 
I think there is a lesson to be learned here when it comes to athletic measurements at a combine. Some players play slower than their measured speeds. Think of all the work-out wonders like Joe Alexander that test well, but when you watch them on tape they aren't able to actually apply that maximum athleticism in the course of game.

In Jimmer's case I'm far more worried about the fact that he was never asked to play defense ... ever. How is he suddenly going to gain the reps needed to create the muscle memory and awareness needed to sit down in his stance without leaning forward when he gets tired against much tougher competition? He's also 6'0" tall with a 33" vertical jump. I'd worry about his ability to get enough elevation to get his jump shot off against taller more athletic wing defenders at the next level.
 
PapaG said:
OKC - no elite shooter off of bench
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Eric Maynor's not a 'household name' as far as shooters go, but he's been shooting the lights out for OKC this last month. Too lazy to check, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's got the best shooting #s of him and the 3 you listed. Harden's been extremely solid for them as well, inside and out.
 
Guess the player:

Player A
Height w/o shoes: 6'0.75"
Height w/shoes: 6'2.5"
Weight: 196
Wingspan: 6'4.5"
Standing Reach: 8'0.5"
No step vert: 28"
Max vert: 33"
Lane agility: 10.42 secs
3/4 court sprint: 3.21 secs

Player B:
Height w/o shoes: 6'1.75"
Height w/shoes: 6'2.75"
Weight: 202
Wingspan: 6'6.25"
Standing Reach: 8'2"
No step vert: 30"
Max vert: 35"
Lane agility: 10.83 secs
3/4 court sprint: 3.25 secs

A is slightly faster, B is slightly bigger.
 
glazeduck said:
Eric Maynor's not a 'household name' as far as shooters go, but he's been shooting the lights out for OKC this last month. Too lazy to check, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's got the best shooting #s of him and the 3 you listed. Harden's been extremely solid for them as well, inside and out.
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And Daequan Cook has always been considered a knock-down shooter.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I think there is a lesson to be learned here when it comes to athletic measurements at a combine. Some players play slower than their measured speeds. Think of all the work-out wonders like Joe Alexander that test well, but when you watch them on tape they aren't able to actually apply that maximum athleticism in the course of game.

In Jimmer's case I'm far more worried about the fact that he was never asked to play defense ... ever. How is he suddenly going to gain the reps needed to create the muscle memory and awareness needed to sit down in his stance without leaning forward when he gets tired against much tougher competition? He's also 6'0" tall with a 33" vertical jump. I'd worry about his ability to get enough elevation to get his jump shot off against taller more athletic wing defenders at the next level.
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My take is that if the guy is an elite shooter (I don't know if he is), then his weaknesses don't really matter. Steve Kerr couldn't play defense to save his life, yet he managed to be a key role player on title teams because he could do one thing at an elite level, which is shoot the ball.

As I said, though, if the Blazers don't think Jimmer has that one elite skill set, there is no point drafting him in the first round.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Guess the player:

Player A
Height w/o shoes: 6'0.75"
Height w/shoes: 6'2.5"
Weight: 196
Wingspan: 6'4.5"
Standing Reach: 8'0.5"
No step vert: 28"
Max vert: 33"
Lane agility: 10.42 secs
3/4 court sprint: 3.21 secs

Player B:
Height w/o shoes: 6'1.75"
Height w/shoes: 6'2.75"
Weight: 202
Wingspan: 6'6.25"
Standing Reach: 8'2"
No step vert: 30"
Max vert: 35"
Lane agility: 10.83 secs
3/4 court sprint: 3.25 secs

A is slightly faster, B is slightly bigger.
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Big difference is Deron showed in college he was a good PG, averaging almost 7 assists a game, and needed to score more in the pros. I think it's easier for a guy to try to score more, and be more of a scorer than it is to become a better passer.
 
Oh definitely agree, but I'm trying to point out that his physical #s are comparable with some very successful players. I even see JJ Reddick as a comparison, and Jimmer is more skilled player than JJ, especially when it comes to ball handling, passing, etc.
 
PapaG said:
My take is that if the guy is an elite shooter (I don't know if he is), then his weaknesses don't really matter. Steve Kerr couldn't play defense to save his life, yet he managed to be a key role player on title teams because he could do one thing at an elite level, which is shoot the ball.

As I said, though, if the Blazers don't think Jimmer has that one elite skill set, there is no point drafting him in the first round.
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I definitely think he's a good shooter (maybe great?) but I always worry a little bit about guys that played the volume shooter role on their team in college but who don't necessarily project as a starter at the next level. There really isn't any way to know it until he's in an NBA game, but will he be able to be an effective shooter off the bench taking 5-8 shots a night in short bursts of play versus 20 a night as the team's primary option? Personally I think if he's given a Daquan Cook/Kyle Korver/JJ Reddick role with a team he'll probably be OK.
 
PapaG said:
He ran 4.65 twice in his pro day in Eugene. That's why he wasn't drafted, and why Mike Hass wasn't drafted until the 7th round.
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interesting. Thanks for that. :cheers:
 
anonymous gambler said:
This guy looks pretty good- http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Norris-Cole-6234/
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Been pimpin' him for a while now. Just a solid 2 way pg with the speed Portland has been hunting for in the back-court. Think he has the skill-set and experience to be a back-up pg pretty quickly.

He seems to be getting enough buzz though that he could slide up to the bottom of the first round so hopefully Portland can find a way to grab him. I think Miami is going to take serious look at him at 31 so maybe we can work something out with a team like the Bulls who have two late 1st rounders. (although he would be nice fit with the Bulls as well)

Jajuan Johnson is looking pretty nice at 21. Wish he was a better rebounder, but he's athletic, can shoot and block some shots as well.
 
PapaG said:
I know you're jesting, but it got me thinking.

Look at the teams that were left in the conference finals.

Chicago - Kyle Korver off of bench
Dallas - Peja off of bench
Miami - Mike Miller off of bench
OKC - no elite shooter off of bench

3/4 of the final 4 teams had a white player known as being great shooters providing offense off of the bench. Having a white guy (or black guy, but white this year) who is able to hit an open three consistently helps teams win in the playoffs. It stretches out the defense and gives your more rounded offensive players more room to operate.

If Jimmer proves to be an elite shooter, not just good, but elite, in workouts, I'd draft him.

:)
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What the fuck does being white have to do with ANYTHING? I'm white. Do the Blazers need me to win the championship? There you go again. I want Jimmer because he's a good player, not because he's white. Being white means nothing.
 
Oh and OKC absolutely DOES have an elite shooter off the bench. His name is Daequan Cook (42% from three this season). But he's black so you over looked him even though he is an NBA ALL STAR THREE POINT CONTEST CHAMPION.
 
PapaG said:
My take is that if the guy is an elite shooter (I don't know if he is), then his weaknesses don't really matter. Steve Kerr couldn't play defense to save his life, yet he managed to be a key role player on title teams because he could do one thing at an elite level, which is shoot the ball.

As I said, though, if the Blazers don't think Jimmer has that one elite skill set, there is no point drafting him in the first round.
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Kerr was actually pretty good on defense for San Antonio.
 
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