The LaMarcus Aldridge momentum buster

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Aldridge is such a brainy player. We laud his jumper, and with good reason, but perhaps overlook his subtle understanding of space, momentum, and footwork. Take this simple side pick-and-roll, a staple of Portland’s offense:




Aldridge slips toward the baseline, where he’s money on catch-and-shoot jumpers. The defense has to do one of two things here: rotate a third defender over to Aldridge or hope his original guy, Nikola Vucevic, can scramble back in time after helping on Damian Lillard.

Vucevic rumbles back into the play, but he’s running hard, with momentum taking him toward the baseline. Aldridge knows that. He stops, waits for Vucevic to slide by him, and then veers back toward the middle for an easy drive. That’s just mean.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/al-horford-atlanta-hawks-superstar/
 
Great thread! LA has developed a game that will withstand the years. He's patient. Adds something every season. Not a bad 3 pt shooter either.
 
Yep, this is why he is so valuable to the Blazers's success. His patience and stable play is what keeps teams honest and opens the game up for other players. He gets 2 assists per game, when the defense focuses on him, but if there were hockey assists, he would have so many more!
 
Part of me believes Aldridge is shooting so many jumpers in order to try and prolong his playing career. The players that have stayed elite for the longest amount of time are all ones that are primarily jump shooters (or become one). Dirk, Kobe, Nash, Allen, and Reggie Miller come immediately to mind. Even Duncan doesn't really bang in the post anymore. The Blazers are one of the most savvy teams in the league when it comes to advanced stats. I'd be deathly surprised if the coaching staff didn't let him know he's much more efficient when in the post. He probably figures that the constant banging in the post would shave off a year or two of his playing career.
 
Part of me believes Aldridge is shooting so many jumpers in order to try and prolong his playing career. The players that have stayed elite for the longest amount of time are all ones that are primarily jump shooters (or become one). Dirk, Kobe, Nash, Allen, and Reggie Miller come immediately to mind. Even Duncan doesn't really bang in the post anymore. The Blazers are one of the most savvy teams in the league when it comes to advanced stats. I'd be deathly surprised if the coaching staff didn't let him know he's much more efficient when in the post. He probably figures that the constant banging in the post would shave off a year or two of his playing career.

And who knows if the coaching staff is asking him to take those jumpers, especially in the first couple of quarters. It seems that's when he is shooting the most jumpers, IMO.
 
And who knows if the coaching staff is asking him to take those jumpers, especially in the first couple of quarters. It seems that's when he is shooting the most jumpers, IMO.

Maybe, but a lot his errant jumpers come from post up plays that give Aldridge the freedom to decide what to do. At least in the last two seasons, it seems like a majority of his post up plays end up resulting in fadeaways, stepbacks, and the like that a lot of posters hate. Yeah, he can make them, but I'm willing to bet he's not very efficient on these shots. What's interesting to me is that when the Blazers are down, or when he knows the Blazers need a basket, he's more willing to show off his post moves....hooks across the lane, up and unders, spinning towards the baseline, still clearly very proficient on them. When the score is close in the beginning of a game, or if the Blazers are cruising on autopilot are when he defaults to shooting difficult jumpshots.

I don't really have a problem with him taking pick and pop jumpers, it's a staple of the Blazers offense and the movement that results from them often lead to opportunities for his teammates. I just wish he'd actually use more of his post moves when he's you know.....in the post. But again, like I said, it might be a conscious decision by him to extend his playing career, and I can't really fault him for that.
 
Maybe, but a lot his errant jumpers come from post up plays that give Aldridge the freedom to decide what to do. At least in the last two seasons, it seems like a majority of his post up plays end up resulting in fadeaways, stepbacks, and the like that a lot of posters hate. Yeah, he can make them, but I'm willing to bet he's not very efficient on these shots. What's interesting to me is that when the Blazers are down, or when he knows the Blazers need a basket, he's more willing to show off his post moves....hooks across the lane, up and unders, spinning towards the baseline, still clearly very proficient on them. When the score is close in the beginning of a game, or if the Blazers are cruising on autopilot are when he defaults to shooting difficult jumpshots.

I don't really have a problem with him taking pick and pop jumpers, it's a staple of the Blazers offense and the movement that results from them often lead to opportunities for his teammates. I just wish he'd actually use more of his post moves when he's you know.....in the post. But again, like I said, it might be a conscious decision by him to extend his playing career, and I can't really fault him for that.

I can see your side and respect it. I would only argue that having the fade away keeps the defense honest, so they don't always play the post. I do agree with everyone, that has either bashed or just complained about Aldridge's contested jumper, that he should take it inside more often.

Look at this comparison from Aldridge now to Aldridge's previous years. http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player/lamarcus-aldridge

2014-15: FG 45.7%, eFG 47.0%, TS 51.6%
2013-14: FG 45.7% , eFG 45.9%, TS 50.7%
2012-13: FG 48.4%, eFG 48.5%, TS 53.0%
2011-12: FG 51.2%, eFG 51.3%, TS 56.0%

So he's shown a decline in shooting, but it has gotten much better from last season. What's interesting is the decline happened when Stotts came to town. I think this only warrants that the coaches are asking him to shoot the jumper more than Aldridge is wanting to. He had no problem shooting the high efficient shots when he was with Nate. Maybe someone should ask Stotts to change his philosophy then? Or maybe Stotts understands the advantage for the other players, knowing Aldridge can still rebound, being so far from the basket?
 
I can see your side and respect it. I would only argue that having the fade away keeps the defense honest, so they don't always play the post. I do agree with everyone, that has either bashed or just complained about Aldridge's contested jumper, that he should take it inside more often.

Look at this comparison from Aldridge now to Aldridge's previous years. http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player/lamarcus-aldridge

2014-15: FG 45.7%, eFG 47.0%, TS 51.6%
2013-14: FG 45.7% , eFG 45.9%, TS 50.7%
2012-13: FG 48.4%, eFG 48.5%, TS 53.0%
2011-12: FG 51.2%, eFG 51.3%, TS 56.0%

So he's shown a decline in shooting, but it has gotten much better from last season. What's interesting is the decline happened when Stotts came to town. I think this only warrants that the coaches are asking him to shoot the jumper more than Aldridge is wanting to. He had no problem shooting the high efficient shots when he was with Nate. Maybe someone should ask Stotts to change his philosophy then? Or maybe Stotts understands the advantage for the other players, knowing Aldridge can still rebound, being so far from the basket?

Nate forced it to Aldridge in the post more often, cause Nate only knew how to coach one player on offense. I'm not sure the coaches are telling Aldridge to shoot crazy fadeaway jumpers and contested stepbacks, just to take advantage of his opportunities in the post. Another reason for his dip in his percentages might be because his usage rate has gone up with Stotts. His highest USG% was 27% with Nate but he's pushing 30% with Stotts. More shots usually mean less efficiency.

EDIT: Just realized that the play that Zach Lowe was lauding ended in an offensive foul. Haha.
 
I can see your side and respect it. I would only argue that having the fade away keeps the defense honest, so they don't always play the post. I do agree with everyone, that has either bashed or just complained about Aldridge's contested jumper, that he should take it inside more often.

Look at this comparison from Aldridge now to Aldridge's previous years. http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player/lamarcus-aldridge

2014-15: FG 45.7%, eFG 47.0%, TS 51.6%
2013-14: FG 45.7% , eFG 45.9%, TS 50.7%
2012-13: FG 48.4%, eFG 48.5%, TS 53.0%
2011-12: FG 51.2%, eFG 51.3%, TS 56.0%

So he's shown a decline in shooting, but it has gotten much better from last season. What's interesting is the decline happened when Stotts came to town. I think this only warrants that the coaches are asking him to shoot the jumper more than Aldridge is wanting to. He had no problem shooting the high efficient shots when he was with Nate. Maybe someone should ask Stotts to change his philosophy then? Or maybe Stotts understands the advantage for the other players, knowing Aldridge can still rebound, being so far from the basket?
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Sly, you know that play resulted in an offensive foul right? Anyway, yes, it was still a good drive. What I've been saying all along, is that LA needs to get better and picking his shots. He shouldn't be taking more attempts per game than any other player in the league, especially when we have much better shooters on our team. If he can't get better looks, the the shot should go to someone else. What if instead of taking 20 shots a game, he took 15, and Lillard took 3 more and Matthews took 2 more. LA's FG% would go up and our team average would improve.
 
LAs eFG% has gone up because of his 3 pointers. They said Stotts had been trying to get him to take more 3s but up till this year, LA has resisted. He still should take even more. I'd rather have him hoist up 3s rather than those fade aways.

Stotts implemented his Dallas offense here in Portland, and he wanted LA to be Dirk Nowitski. The problem is that Dirk is one of the best mid range shooters of all time and LA is not.
 
Sly, you know that play resulted in an offensive foul right? Anyway, yes, it was still a good drive. What I've been saying all along, is that LA needs to get better and picking his shots. He shouldn't be taking more attempts per game than any other player in the league, especially when we have much better shooters on our team. If he can't get better looks, the the shot should go to someone else. What if instead of taking 20 shots a game, he took 15, and Lillard took 3 more and Matthews took 2 more. LA's FG% would go up and our team average would improve.
You keep saying more than any other player in the league. This is not true. If you are going to feed us bullshit, then why even debate?
 
LAs eFG% has gone up because of his 3 pointers. They said Stotts had been trying to get him to take more 3s but up till this year, LA has resisted. He still should take even more. I'd rather have him hoist up 3s rather than those fade aways.

Stotts implemented his Dallas offense here in Portland, and he wanted LA to be Dirk Nowitski. The problem is that Dirk is one of the best mid range shooters of all time and LA is not.
Because being at the 3 point line is even further from being in rebounding position. It also lets his man get into offensive position on the other end, which hurts our defense. It also brings normal wings that are much better defenders on fast breaks to be out of position and our defense suffers.

The mid range spacing still allows our wings to be the first line of defense after a miss. You are only looking at one player and not the entire team. We are one of the best defensive teams in the league for a reason. Obviously if you can't see the entire picture, your opinions are half assed.

I like him taking 1 or 2 every now and then to keep the defense honest. I don't want a Kevin Love wannabe superstar that sucks. I can see why you want Aldridge to shoot the three because you wanted Love and he has been exposed as a stat padder on a lottery team while LBJ is out.
 
Your last post didn't make any sense Mags. The only quasi piece of logic in it was your first sentence about rebounding position, but how many less rebounds will he get if he takes a step or two back to shoot the 3? It's more important that a shooter make a shot than be in a position to grab the offensive rebound. And if you want to talk about "stat padding". LA is one of the least efficient shooters in the league.
 
You keep saying more than any other player in the league. This is not true. If you are going to feed us bullshit, then why even debate?

So right now he's #3 behind Kobe and Westbrook, who are well know to jack up too many shots. At least Westbrook had an excuse of having to play without Durant. So if you think that makes the point invalid, you are full of shit. Why is he taking more shots than James, Curry, Lillard, Nowitski, Harden, Cousins, Anthony...makes no sense.
 
So right now he's #3 behind Kobe and Westbrook, but if you think that makes the point invalid, you are full of shit. Why is he taking more shots than James, Curry, Lillard, Nowitski, Harden, Cousins, Anthony...makes no sense.

Wrong again!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html

Field Goal Attempts: Harden 704 , LMA 685, Blake Griffin 673

But then again, you wanted Blake Griffin and Love over Aldridge. Ironically they are both way worse than Aldridge!
 
Your last post didn't make any sense Mags. The only quasi piece of logic in it was your first sentence about rebounding position, but how many less rebounds will he get if he takes a step or two back to shoot the 3? It's more important that a shooter make a shot than be in a position to grab the offensive rebound. And if you want to talk about "stat padding". LA is one of the least efficient shooters in the league.

It does make sense, you aren't wanting to read the reality.

The spacing on the floor helps our team get offensive rebounds, while allowing our guards to be in the best position to get back on defense easily. With Aldridge out further, one of the guards will have to move out of that position. That means he's more likely to be out of position to defend the break.
 
One of you is going by field goal attempts per game and the other is going by total field goal attempts.
 
He's #2 in total field goals attempted, #3 in field goals attempted per game, which is the stat I referred to. But it's odd that you counter my point with something that even further supports my position.

I think you would agree that Kobe Bryant is chucking the ball up way too much, right? He's shooting 40% from 2pt range and the Lakers play better without him. But would you be surprised to know that he's only getting 3/100ths less of a point per shot than LA? So basically, LA is as efficient as Kobe Bryant!

If you sort by field goal attempts per game and look at the top 35 players in the league in that stat, LA is ranked 29th. Kevin Love, who is having a bad season is way ahead of him. 1.33 vs 1.14
 
Sly, you know that play resulted in an offensive foul right? Anyway, yes, it was still a good drive. What I've been saying all along, is that LA needs to get better and picking his shots. He shouldn't be taking more attempts per game than any other player in the league, especially when we have much better shooters on our team. If he can't get better looks, the the shot should go to someone else. What if instead of taking 20 shots a game, he took 15, and Lillard took 3 more and Matthews took 2 more. LA's FG% would go up and our team average would improve.

Actually you said, and I quote "He shouldn't be taking more attempts per game than any other player in the league". So even if it is a "per game" basis. You are still wrong... But then again, you were wrong for wanting Kevin Love and Blake Griffin over Aldridge
 
Oh. My. Word. Girls, girls...you're both pretty. Let it go.
 
Bottom Line up Front (BLUF): I don't think LMA sucks. I don't want to trade him and draft picks for Love. I hope he re-signs here. But in reference to posts above, I submit the following:

LMA rebounds < 3ORB/g (and has for 3.5 years) and averages an ORBRate of ~8% (and has for 3.5 years). I don't know that the value proposition of a 3point shot at 23' and being 5' further from a potential rebound is outweighed by the 2point shot and increased proximity to said rebound. Maybe I'm wrong, but neither the "LMA is way more out of position for an offensive board if he shoots 3s!" or the "his man will get into better offensive position!" argument hold a ton of water for me. I'm happy to be explained to...I just don't get those. :dunno:

Before I go on and make this a tl;dr post, here are some facts.
LMA has attempted more FGs than anyone in the league (685 in 34 games, or 20/g), just beating out Harden (681 in 37) and K*be (666 in 32). He led the league in 2ptFGA in 2012-12 (9th overall FGA) and 2013-14 (3rd overall FGA) as well. **EDIT: Harden overtook him, now has 704 in 38 games**
LMA has attempted more 10-23' jumpers than anyone in the league (407 in 34 games), well above Dirk (326 in 36), K*be (320 in 32), Griffin (288 in 37) and Melo (286 in 30). LMA has missed more 10-23' jumpers than all but 5 other player in the league have taken.
LMA ranks 63rd of the 78 players who've shot 3 10-23' jumpers per game (round per-game number that limits the field to only those who shoot a statistically significant amount) at 38.1% on those 407 FGA. The only "bigs" in the league below him: Jordan Hill (35.8% on 190 FGA). Anthony Bennett (33% on 121 FGA). Josh Smith (34% on 132 FGA). Boogie Cousins (35.9% on 131 shots).
LMA ranks 2nd in the league on 3pt% of players who shoot >1 3FGA/g (behind Kyle Korver)

Again, this isn't a bash on LMA's FG% (45.8%), because while it's 94th in the league among players who shoot 5 shots/g or more, it's just behind Dame's 45.9% (92nd) and Wes' 47.5% (68th). What I wanted to point out was that he obviously a capable 3pt shooter. He's not an elite mid-range jump shooter. He's a pretty good player in the paint. Attempting just 1 three a game without changing anything else in his shooting profile has upped his TS% and eFG% by over a percent and mitigating some of the team's regression in offensive efficiency.

Other notables: Wes leads the league in 3-9' FG% (over 70%!?!) while LMA is 47th and Dame is 129th out of 130 (24%) who shoot more than 1 FGA/g from 3-9 feet.

I'm still trying to find a good stat of "contested v. non-contested" shot percentages. The eye test tells me that LMA is really, really good at shooting open jumpers, whether from 10' or 25' and anywhere in between, especially the left side. But he is hamstrung by his very low (again, subjectively speaking) percentage on contested jumpers, which brings his entire mid-range % to 38% and his entire FG% to under 46%.

Final thought: (finally) As stated earlier, I don't think LMA sucks. He hits open jumpers, rebounds very well defensively and has a variety of paint moves that can both finesse and overpower an opponent. But his habit of shooting contested shots is hurting the team. If he's being doubled, them the "spacing" argument is moot because he's already "opened" the floor for a teammate and, if he shoots, is wasting the whole point of his drawing the double. Wes and Dame are ~40% 3pt shooters. Wes shoots 70% in the post (best in the league) and Dame shouldn't be shooting in the 3-9' realm anyway. Utilize that spacing to get good shots, or to drive to the lane. By shooting contested mid-range jumpers (more than anyone else and worse % than most), he's letting the D off of the hook for the possession not only from other strengths in his own game, but those of his all-star-caliber teammates. I'm not even saying he has to go "bang in the paint" more. Just follow the rule that, "if your man is covering you, pass it out." There was a sweet play last game where he got it on the block, was doubled, passed it back to Wes at the 3pt line, the double went away, and Wes immediately passed it back into the block where LMA scored easily against a not-ready-for-the-repost defender. More of that will help the team's offensive efficiency.
 
well, poop. I guess it got sorted out while I was tl;dr'ing and linking. Carry on, I guess. ;)
 
Bottom Line up Front (BLUF): I don't think LMA sucks. I don't want to trade him and draft picks for Love. I hope he re-signs here. But in reference to posts above, I submit the following:

LMA rebounds < 3ORB/g (and has for 3.5 years) and averages an ORBRate of ~8% (and has for 3.5 years). I don't know that the value proposition of a 3point shot at 23' and being 5' further from a potential rebound is outweighed by the 2point shot and increased proximity to said rebound. Maybe I'm wrong, but neither the "LMA is way more out of position for an offensive board if he shoots 3s!" or the "his man will get into better offensive position!" argument hold a ton of water for me. I'm happy to be explained to...I just don't get those. :dunno:

Before I go on and make this a tl;dr post, here are some facts.
LMA has attempted more FGs than anyone in the league (685 in 34 games, or 20/g), just beating out Harden (681 in 37) and K*be (666 in 32). He led the league in 2ptFGA in 2012-12 (9th overall FGA) and 2013-14 (3rd overall FGA) as well. **EDIT: Harden overtook him, now has 704 in 38 games**
LMA has attempted more 10-23' jumpers than anyone in the league (407 in 34 games), well above Dirk (326 in 36), K*be (320 in 32), Griffin (288 in 37) and Melo (286 in 30). LMA has missed more 10-23' jumpers than all but 5 other player in the league have taken.
LMA ranks 63rd of the 78 players who've shot 3 10-23' jumpers per game (round per-game number that limits the field to only those who shoot a statistically significant amount) at 38.1% on those 407 FGA. The only "bigs" in the league below him: Jordan Hill (35.8% on 190 FGA). Anthony Bennett (33% on 121 FGA). Josh Smith (34% on 132 FGA). Boogie Cousins (35.9% on 131 shots).
LMA ranks 2nd in the league on 3pt% of players who shoot >1 3FGA/g (behind Kyle Korver)

Again, this isn't a bash on LMA's FG% (45.8%), because while it's 94th in the league among players who shoot 5 shots/g or more, it's just behind Dame's 45.9% (92nd) and Wes' 47.5% (68th). What I wanted to point out was that he obviously a capable 3pt shooter. He's not an elite mid-range jump shooter. He's a pretty good player in the paint. Attempting just 1 three a game without changing anything else in his shooting profile has upped his TS% and eFG% by over a percent and mitigating some of the team's regression in offensive efficiency.

Other notables: Wes leads the league in 3-9' FG% (over 70%!?!) while LMA is 47th and Dame is 129th out of 130 (24%) who shoot more than 1 FGA/g from 3-9 feet.

I'm still trying to find a good stat of "contested v. non-contested" shot percentages. The eye test tells me that LMA is really, really good at shooting open jumpers, whether from 10' or 25' and anywhere in between, especially the left side. But he is hamstrung by his very low (again, subjectively speaking) percentage on contested jumpers, which brings his entire mid-range % to 38% and his entire FG% to under 46%.

Final thought: (finally) As stated earlier, I don't think LMA sucks. He hits open jumpers, rebounds very well defensively and has a variety of paint moves that can both finesse and overpower an opponent. But his habit of shooting contested shots is hurting the team. If he's being doubled, them the "spacing" argument is moot because he's already "opened" the floor for a teammate and, if he shoots, is wasting the whole point of his drawing the double. Wes and Dame are ~40% 3pt shooters. Wes shoots 70% in the post (best in the league) and Dame shouldn't be shooting in the 3-9' realm anyway. Utilize that spacing to get good shots, or to drive to the lane. By shooting contested mid-range jumpers (more than anyone else and worse % than most), he's letting the D off of the hook for the possession not only from other strengths in his own game, but those of his all-star-caliber teammates. I'm not even saying he has to go "bang in the paint" more. Just follow the rule that, "if your man is covering you, pass it out." There was a sweet play last game where he got it on the block, was doubled, passed it back to Wes at the 3pt line, the double went away, and Wes immediately passed it back into the block where LMA scored easily against a not-ready-for-the-repost defender. More of that will help the team's offensive efficiency.

TL DR
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Actually you said, and I quote "He shouldn't be taking more attempts per game than any other player in the league". So even if it is a "per game" basis. You are still wrong... But then again, you were wrong for wanting Kevin Love and Blake Griffin over Aldridge
Oi, where is the facepalm emoticon. The original stat I posted where LMA is #3 was field goal attempts per game.
 
Brian, good post, but just have to point out, that comparing LAs FG% to Lillard and Matthews is not a good comparsion, because Lillard and Matthews shoot so many 3s. You should look at a stat like eFG% or TS% or even "points per shot". Aldridge is waaaay down on those lists.
 

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