The Legacy you leave...

[Ghost Pepper]

Chip Kelly may or may not split for the NFL at seasons end as many have speculated but more importantly will be how he leaves, and how he's remembered in Oregon! With NCAA violations on the horizons will Chip pull a Pete Carroll and avoid sanctions and potential bowl bans for an NFL bottom feeding team? Essentially cutting bait while he can and his stock is still high.

I'm going to take the Oregon way of looking at this and say without the DUCKS, Chip Kelly is an offensive coordinator in the north east for some non D-1 school right now. Oregon gave him the national stage to be this sought after by the NFL. There are a ton of great offensive minds coaching high school ball all over this country don't ya know!

Chip preaches win the day but clearly cut corners to win the day with his "sole" dealings with that street corner con man "Slick Willie Lyles". Chip also preaches that he'd do anything for his players, well.... let's see if that's true!

Chip got his team into this mess with Lyles and now puts an amazing talented Duck team next year "2013" in jeopardy for NCAA sanctions. A man of class and character cleans up his own messes, and doesn't run away and leave 20 year old kids to front line his mistakes!

If Chip splits, leaving us with an underwhelming recruiting class, NCAA sanctions and players looking elsewhere, his legacy in my eyes will be clear. He broke the rules, used Oregon as a stepping stone job and now leaves Oregon picking up his pieces, that doesn't seem to classy to me!

I for one hope I'm wrong and Chip stands his ground, does right by Oregon and wins a couple national championships here before he heads to the pros. It would be nice to see a coach do the right thing not the easy thing for once!

As for the NFL Chip, if you're that good of a coach they'll be there every year trying to lure you in. Clean up your messes first and leave the team that made you a house hold name a national power for years to come!

Guess we'll know soon enough either way......

 

[PapaG]

Wait...

Oregon made Chip a "household name"? A school with 1 BCS bowl game prior to Chip becoming HC that is now on its 4th straight "made" Chip?

I think you have it backward. Oregon was a Top 25 program fairly consistently prior to Chip's arrival, but since he took over the head job, Oregon is now an elite team and a national brand. Chip owes Oregon nothing, and any fan who gets mad at him for leaving isn't being realistic, IMO.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Ive been seeing this a lot lately.... Oregon fans already turning on chip.

i agree with everything papag said......

If chip fails in the nfl the guy can go anywhere in college football

 

[Driew]

If Oregon receives sanctions Chip will be fired anyways per his, and almost every college coach, contract.

 

[Wheels]

fired if sanctions are minor? I wouldnt go that far.

 

[Zalsa]

I think since Oregon cooperated, they will only get a 1 year scholarship hit, no need for a Bowl Ban.

What type of violation is needed for a bowl ban

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What type of violation is needed for a bowl ban

 

[STOMP]

Ive been seeing this a lot lately.... Oregon fans already turning on chip.

If someone I respect has something new to say, I weigh their opinion against what I know/suspect and maybe come up with a new perspective. If the lady on the corner with a potted plant on top of her head yelling about the sky falling is back on her normal corner on Tuesday the 1st yelling about the sky falling but this time with french fries stuffed up her nose, do you think I'm any more worried about the sky falling?

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[Ghost Pepper]

Chip didn't go to 4 BCS bowls, his players did! The only BCS win didn't come from Chip huffing and puffing down the field, it came from a 5* recruit doing what came naturally to him on a kick off! Not a play Chip drew up! SO let's get that straight.

Chip was the one who dealt solely with Slick Willy and if the NCAA decides to make an example out of Oregon because they're to toothless to go after the real cash offenders like Bama, LSU and Texas, many of you will be singing a much different tune come bowl ban!

Where is the responsibility that Chip holds in this NCAA investigation? Why aren't any of you calling him out for lying and paying off a street agent who provided Oregon with nothing tangible to fight in court with as a paper trail to his services?

btw- do you think if Chip comes back to Oregon and wins a national championship with the kind of offensive weapons that he'll have next year the NFL wont be after him just as much if not more?

If he splits to a crappy NFL team like the Eagles, Browns or Bills he's doing it not because he expects success in his first years there but to avoid dealing with what he created in Eugene and a potential blemish to his arrogant resume! The teams that are interviewing Chip will take 3 years minimum to turn around if they're lucky!!! In Eugene he'll be bringing back in my eyes the best QB, and a field full of offensive weapons that most Pac-12 schools would kill for. So can a NFL gig where come mid season every analyst will be saying "see we told ya a spread couldn't work at this level" be worth not getting a national championship, with a Heisman level QB who's only a sophomore and also having complete control over that program to boot? You then might want to ask yourself being that Chip is such a goal oriented kind of coach how he could leave the ultimate college football prize on some other coaches shelf? I know I'm a competitor and that would eat at me, how about you?

On a side note, I'd argue Uncle Phil had as much to do with Oregon's rise to a national brand as Chip ever could!

This is not me turning on Chip Kelly "the coach", I think he's a great coach but CHARACTER isn't X's and O's now is it?

If I made this mess, I'd WIN THE DAY and stand by my Team! Chip should also remember that Pete Carroll, Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson the only college coaches to ever win a Super Bowl ring in the last 40 years had 1 thing in common. Before they got to the NFL, they had all won national championships on the college level! How many has Chip won?

 

[Rhal]

A lot of anger towards Chip Kelley seems to be a lot like last year when it was rumored he accepted Tampa Bays offer. I was one last year that was very upset when I heard about him leaving so abruptly. I thought he owed this team another shot and after him coming back and the media constantly talking about this issue iv come to not care if he leaves or not.
The reason i dont care is because i dont think he is pulling a Pete Caroll. sanctions are coming but I dont think its a bowl ban. I also think the program is setup so well that his replacement can come in and do just as good of a job.
Chip also isnt leaving for just any team. He wants control of the team much like mr cheater in new England and Reid had in Philly.

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[PtldPlatypus]

If he splits to a crappy NFL team like the Eagles, Browns or Bills he's doing it not because he expects success in his first years there but to avoid dealing with what he created in Eugene and a potential blemish to his arrogant resume! The teams that are interviewing Chip will take 3 years minimum to turn around if they're lucky!!!

The Colts went from 2 wins last year to 11 this year. Andrew Luck is one reason, but there were several other roster moves that resulted is a vastly different team.

The Vikings went from 3 wins last year to 10 this year. Yes, AD had an amazing year yardage-wise, but he only scored 12 touchdowns; they won primarily due to an improved defense.

Point being, quick improvements aren't all that unusual in the NFL, and it's disingenuous to intimate that teams that are bad this year can't be good next year.

Except for Cleveland--they're just terrible...

Chip should also remember that Pete Carroll, Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson the only college coaches to ever win a Super Bowl ring in the last 40 years had 1 thing in common. Before they got to the NFL, they had all won national championships on the college level! How many has Chip won?

Interesting--I don't recall the Seahawks winning the Super Bowl. How did I miss that?

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Interesting--I don't recall the Seahawks winning the Super Bowl. How did I miss that?

You are correct, it came to me a couple hours later that I don't remember Carroll winning a super bowl either.

Johnson and Switzer have been the only two in my lifetime that have won on both levels, and have come from a college background first. It's very hard to do!

I think Chip will need the hardware to have pro players ears the way he does his players in Oregon.

 

[PapaG]

Originally Posted by Ghost Pepper
Chip should also remember that Pete Carroll, Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson the only college coaches to ever win a Super Bowl ring in the last 40 years had 1 thing in common. Before they got to the NFL, they had all won national championships on the college level! How many has Chip won?

That Bill Walsh guy who had an innovative approach to offense didn't do too bad in the NFL, either.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That Bill Walsh guy who had an innovative approach to offense didn't do too bad in the NFL, either.

To be fair, Walsh had 11 years of NFL assistant coaching experience before his 2 years at Stanford, so he wasn't really a "college guy" like Chip is, or like Johnson and Switzer were.

 

[PapaG]

To be fair, Walsh had 11 years of NFL assistant coaching experience before his 2 years at Stanford, so he wasn't really a "college guy" like Chip is, or like Johnson and Switzer were.

OK, OK, but he DID coach in college, and was an innovator on offense!

 

[Ghost Pepper]

I would say contrast that with coaches like Saban, Spurrier, Davis, Erickson, Brooks, Petrino who were quickly in and out of the NFL. It's a tough transition!

 

[STOMP]

You are correct, it came to me a couple hours later that I don't remember Carroll winning a super bowl either.

a couple days later in this thread it came to you that Pete was a HC for the Jets and Patriots prior to his USC gig



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[PtldPlatypus]

OK, OK, but he DID coach in college, and was an innovator on offense!

Yes, but even those facts aren't analogous with Kelly, since he actually developed his offense in the NFL, as an assistant with the Bengals in the '70s. Kelly's innovations were developed on the college level. Significant difference.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

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Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Pepper View Post

You are correct, it came to me a couple hours later that I don't remember Carroll winning a super bowl either.
a couple days later in this thread it came to you that Pete was a HC for the Jets and Patriots prior to his USC gig



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No troll it came to me that Pete had never won a NFL championship as a head coach where Switzer and Johnson had......

 

[STOMP]

No troll it came to me that Pete had never won a NFL championship as a head coach where Switzer and Johnson had......

great now someone has to explain to you what trolling is. Good luck to that poor soul

here's the statement that I was responding to...

Chip should also remember that Pete Carroll, Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson the only college coaches to ever win a Super Bowl ring in the last 40 years had 1 thing in common. Before they got to the NFL, they had all won national championships on the college level! How many has Chip won?

before Pete had ever been a head coach in college, he'd been an NFL head coach for two different franchises. It's just another messed up part of this silly rant.

Besides, its looking like he's staying

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[Ghost Pepper]

Yes I know that Pete bombed out in the pros before going to USC, but he was in college before that as well. Regardless, only two coaches have come directly from college winning national championships, to the pros in the last 30+ years and been SUPER BOWL winning successful Switzer and Johnson. Most think Switzer road on Johnson's coattails for that however! Anyway, if Carroll wins this year that may make 3, but in Carroll's case there will be an asterisk.

BTW-

Is it possible Stomp that in a two year period you could ever write one thing about the Ducks that isn't attacking someone else's thoughts or regurgitating some recruiting sites info? Dare to dream you could be better than just a parasite! Big dreams I know for you, but something tells me you could come up with one original post a year!

 

[STOMP]

Is it possible Stomp that in a two year period you could ever write one thing about the Ducks that isn't attacking someone else's thoughts or regurgitating some recruiting sites info? Dare to dream you could be better than just a parasite! Big dreams I know for you, but something tells me you could come up with one original post a year!

I do that all the time silly. Heres a couple from the weekend

http://sportstwo.com/threads/227474-Thanks-Seniors?p=2925465#post2925465

http://sportstwo.com/threads/206792-2013-FOOTBALL-Commits-and-Recruiting-News?p=2924454#post2924454

I've regularly given my opinion on all sorts of Duck topics including weighing in that Kelly was likely to come back. You're just mad which I'm beginning to think is how you deal with the world. It's everyone else's fault for pointing out the fail in your posts so it's only logically that you should call them names

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[Ghost Pepper]

Chip left his legacy! Pete Carroll is that you? Nothing else to say!

OOOOO "STOMP" where's that big mouth of yours now?

Twins have opened up their search, Dontre has too with ND and OSU and Chip split leaving us facing sanctions.....What did I get wrong here from my initial post? OOOO yes.... NOTHING!!!!!

Don't blame the messenger for the obvious message!!!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Don't blame the messenger for the obvious message!!!

Your "message" was full of anger and vitriol, and (as you said in your second paragraph) took what you see as "the Oregon perspective". I (also from Oregon) have a different perspective. Surely you know the old line about opinions...

I think it's ludicrous to think that Bellotti, or any other coach available to UO when Bellotti left, would have had anywhere close to the same level of success in the past four years that Chip did. Quite simply, his leadership elevated the program to heights it has never seen prior, and for that, I thank him.

If we see a precipitous drop-off after his departure, then that will even further cement for me the importance of his presence during his time here. If we remain a successful program, then all the hand-wringing about his leaving will have been for naught. Either way, we enjoyed an unprecedented and unequaled 4-year run with Kelly at the helm, and it seems to me that it would be better to appreciate the good times than to focus on the negative.

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[Ghost Pepper]

I don't think leaving a program facing NCAA violations that you "solely" created two weeks before national signing day is an act of a honorable coach! Further he backed doored the Eagles using Oregon as his leverage. Meanwhile he was lying to recruits knowing he was splitting. I.E. " Nico Falah".... I've been saying for a year now that our recruiting needs to be better, strike that...... We need a coach that's not spending his free time trying to find a way into the NFL!

Chip's timing couldn't have been worse for this decision! Now I know everyone is saying what they need to say to be politically correct, but the reality is, Chip screwed Oregon on the way out HUGE!

How big of an ego do you need to have to leave an offense with Mariota, DAT, Colt, Huff and Tyner coming in for a job you'll be lucky to go 500 with next year? You're passing on a national championship team for a city that will chew you up and spit you out whole even when you win!

Chip has never been about Oregon, he's been about Chip, and Oregon marketed his rise! There's a big difference there! For two of the four years as head coach he's been flirting with the NFL. We all know that and so do the recruits and this year it really smacked us in the bills!

So I appreciate your opinion PtldPlatypus, and your thoughts make a lot of sense. At the same time I'm not so easy to let a guy off the hook who said 'he knew the Philly job was the one he wanted" then came back to Oregon and told the AD he was back. Then Chip BS'd recruits and left OUR team in a recruiting mess!

I'm ready for a coach that wants to make Oregon a foundation piece in college football, not make himself the hottest commodity at the Ducks expense!

 

[Rhal]

I don't really see how he used Oregon as leverage. He didn't like the offer from the Eagles so he declined, the Eagles then went and interviewed a ton of other people and couldn't find one they liked so they upped Chips offer to probably everything he asked for in there first interview. I don't think he declined the Eagles offer then came back assuming they would make him another offer, I think he came back with the intent to try for the NFL again next season. The Eagles then gave him what he wanted(which I assume is pretty much total control over the team and all roster moves much like Andy Reid had before him) after they couldn't find a coach they liked more. Shit like that happens, it sucks he came back said he was back and then left, thats the reason i'm pissed personally.
Just one last thing, the "He knew the philly job was the one he wanted" is of course what he would say. Its like a RFA saying "please don't match my offer sheet because my heart belongs with the place the offered me the large contract". Its all BS for the media. Chip was going to go to any NFL team that offered him complete control (which very rarely happens) and as for the Eagles being a bad team, yea they have a bad record but they were the only team in the NFL I didn't want him to go to because they have a roster perfectly suited for him. The Eagles will be fighting for that division title next year.
I'm curious to how you will feel about this is if the NCAA sanctions turn out to be nothing but losing a handful of scholarships.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm ready for a coach that wants to make Oregon a foundation piece in college football, not make himself the hottest commodity at the Ducks expense!

This would be the part of your post that I disagree with most strongly.

I would suggest that Chip made himself the hottest commodity to the Ducks' benefit. You seem to be placing a lot of emphasis on the impact that Chip's departure may be having on this recruiting class, but don't you generally also intimate that winning should be the biggest draw to the program? If Chip is leaving a national-championship-caliber roster in the hands of highly capable assistants, shouldn't the winning (and consequently improved recruiting) continue even after his departure? If so, then doesn't that mean that his 6 years here were a net positive?

Also, while I understand your desire for "a coach that wants to make Oregon a foundation piece in college football," I'm more interested in having a coach who is capable of elevating the program in the way Kelly did. If we're lucky enough to get a guy who is both, great--but I guarantee you that Bobby Bowden is not walking through that door. Given the choice, I'd rather have Chip Kelly than Mike Riley.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

I don't really see how he used Oregon as leverage. He didn't like the offer from the Eagles so he declined, the Eagles then went and interviewed a ton of other people and couldn't find one they liked so they upped Chips offer to probably everything he asked for in there first interview

Chip is a very smart cat! He knew that Phili didn't have a ton of strong coaching choices and Oregon gave him a safe haven till they called again. Have you guys seen the retreads that keep bouncing from NFL team to NFL team? Chip knew this and let Phili go through the usual suspects, offer the other Kelly who's not of Chips caliber and finally after that and knowing their fans want to win, called Kelly again! Very smart move on Chip Ahoy's part! It takes a certain kind of huge narcissistic ego to want to come in and fill the shoes of a legend to Phili like Reed! Chip has that ego!

I would suggest that Chip made himself the hottest commodity to the Ducks' benefit. You seem to be placing a lot of emphasis on the impact that Chip's departure may be having on this recruiting class, but don't you generally also intimate that winning should be the biggest draw to the program? If Chip is leaving a national-championship-caliber roster in the hands of highly capable assistants, shouldn't the winning (and consequently improved recruiting) continue even after his departure? If so, then doesn't that mean that his 6 years here were a net positive?

I would suggest that Chip hasn't been recruiting very hard and going after top prospects. He's blown off recruiting trips, not kept up with top committed recruits and so forth... Why we know this is non of the top 20 had Oregon in their top 5 except for Green..... Seems strange with our winning ways right? Some will say Chip wants guys to fit his system not just the 5* crowd.... Okay, except Chip knew all season long he was going to the pros.... so why would it matter? It also seems that every coach from Meyer to Saban, Kiffen to Spurrier knew Chips heart was in the NFL... that cost the Ducks huge in recruiting as you can clearly see know!

If Hiflich can come in and win 90% of the games next year the Chip effect will soon be a distant memory and Oregon has the studs to run the race! That said.... we'll soon find out if Oregon is more Nike or Chip!

It'll take a year to really know!

 

[porkchopexpress]

Chip is a very smart cat! He knew that Phili didn't have a ton of strong coaching choices and Oregon gave him a safe haven till they called again. Have you guys seen the retreads that keep bouncing from NFL team to NFL team? Chip knew this and let Phili go through the usual suspects, offer the other Kelly who's not of Chips caliber and finally after that and knowing their fans want to win, called Kelly again! Very smart move on Chip Ahoy's part! It takes a certain kind of huge narcissistic ego to want to come in and fill the shoes of a legend to Phili like Reed! Chip has that ego!




I would suggest that Chip hasn't been recruiting very hard and going after top prospects. He's blown off recruiting trips, not kept up with top committed recruits and so forth... Why we know this is non of the top 20 had Oregon in their top 5 except for Green..... Seems strange with our winning ways right? Some will say Chip wants guys to fit his system not just the 5* crowd.... Okay, except Chip knew all season long he was going to the pros.... so why would it matter? It also seems that every coach from Meyer to Saban, Kiffen to Spurrier knew Chips heart was in the NFL... that cost the Ducks huge in recruiting as you can clearly see know!

If Hiflich can come in and win 90% of the games next year the Chip effect will soon be a distant memory and Oregon has the studs to run the race! That said.... we'll soon find out if Oregon is more Nike or Chip!

It'll take a year to really know!

I just wanted to say how much I love coming to this board and reading all the threads. They always make me smile.

 

[STOMP]

I would suggest that Chip hasn't been recruiting very hard and going after top prospects. He's blown off recruiting trips, not kept up with top committed recruits and so forth... Why we know this is non of the top 20 had Oregon in their top 5 except for Green..... Seems strange with our winning ways right? Some will say Chip wants guys to fit his system not just the 5* crowd.... Okay, except Chip knew all season long he was going to the pros.... so why would it matter? It also seems that every coach from Meyer to Saban, Kiffen to Spurrier knew Chips heart was in the NFL... that cost the Ducks huge in recruiting as you can clearly see know!

I would suggest that you've barely a clue what you're talking about, but thats been backed up by a multitude of fail posts. Remember when you insisted anyone could clearly tell that LSU's D was much bigger then Oregon's despite them never appearing side by side and the individuals being listed smaller as HS prospects, college players and then again at the NFL combine? Or when you claimed Arik should be credited for a sack on a play where the QB recorded a completion? You keep puffing out your chest claiming these great obvious insights and yet you don't even know basic stuff like how many players are on a full roster. Every day you throw out speculative nonsense dressed up as fact and various posters take turns at shooting you down. Then comes the angry name calling and the thrashing about and the rest of us have a laugh... thats what we clearly see.

by the NCAA rules, Head Coaches are very limited in the contact (phone calls, personal visits) that they can have with recruits compared to positional coaches. Thats largely why we always see PSAs siting their relationships with positional coaches when they announce.

So much of what you post is easily debunked BS. How is Leon McQuay not a top 20 prospect who had Oregon in his top 3? We've a keyhole view into what Oregon's secretive staff is doing in recruiting... making claims to knowing who CK is calling and additionally why or why not is crazy town. You bitch and whine about how terrible it is for him to leave with the recruiting commitment day approaching, but by his contract he wasn't allowed to speak to other potential employers until after Oregon's bowl game. If he was to leave, now is the appropriate time for the school and the PSAs. Classless would have been leaving after kids had made the biggest decision of their young lives.

If Hiflich can come in and win 90% of the games next year the Chip effect will soon be a distant memory and Oregon has the studs to run the race! That said.... we'll soon find out if Oregon is more Nike or Chip!

whats the over/under on wins for potential HC Helfrich before you learn his name? Regardless, Duck fans will never forget what Chip did for Oregon and how awesome this era has been... Rose Bowl win was off the charts for me. While there is some stiff competition, this might be the single dumbest thing you've ever posted

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