The Lillard Blazers peaked 2 seasons ago

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BonesJones said:
I don't know how you expected Olshey to build on 2019 when he could only keep one of Curry, Hood, and Kanter and he didn't have Nurkic going into the season.
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oh...you mean that Portland had a really horrible and inflexible salary cap/tax situation and Olshey's hands were tied? Who the fuck was responsible for that?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
This is true of a bunch of players. It's almost as if... Stotts was a good coach...?
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Interesting.... I would be willing to bet that DJJ would disagree with you.

Evan Turner also played especially horrible in Portland.

And Bazemore.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So Stotts wasn't able to work his magic on him? His "good coaching" sparkle dust only works some of the time?
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Correct, Stotts wasn't able to polish all of the turds Olshey got him.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Correct, Stotts wasn't able to polish all of the turds Olshey got him.
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lol..."we're number 2!"

internet for the win!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Correct, Stotts wasn't able to polish all of the turds Olshey got him.
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If anything this is an indictment of Stotts though. He could only work with one type of player. Guys he could stick in a corner and tell them to wait for the ball. Harkless, Aminu, Crabbe, GTJ..... but guys that couldn't shoot the three he had no use for. Turner, Baze, DJJ, etc. If a player doesn't fit into his plug and play puzzle, he can't figure out how to get something out of them.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If anything this is an indictment of Stotts though. He could only work with one type of player. Guys he could stick in a corner and tell them to wait for the ball. Harkless, Aminu, Crabbe, GTJ..... but guys that couldn't shoot the three he had no use for. Turner, Baze, DJJ, etc. If a player doesn't fit into his plug and play puzzle, he can't figure out how to get something out of them.
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Sure!

But ET is out of the league for a reason. And that reason is he's not very good.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Sure!

But ET is out of the league for a reason. And that reason is he's not very good.
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Is he really out of the league because nobody wanted him? I retired immediately. It didn't even seem like he really tried to keep playing.
 
Almost nobody wants to trade Dame unless there's a can't-miss prospect. I mean, if it were the Luka draft would you fault Portland for dealing Dame for him?

When we had the Oden pick it was widely known that Tim Duncan was on the table in trade. So yeah, even cornerstone guys can be traded in the right circumstance. (In hindsight, man, I wish we'd done that deal.)

But there's no way we'd deal Dame for anything less than that kind of deal.

I do agree, though, that we've already peaked in the Dame era. Time to ditch CJ, and possibly Nurk, and see what Dame can do with a new core. My ideal scenario:

PG: Dame
SG: Norm
SF: Upgrade
PF: Upgrade
C: Upgrade

That's not too much to ask, is it? Barring that, I'd love to find a really elite defensive 3/4 guy and build a team around hard nosed defense.
 
mook said:
I do agree, though, that we've already peaked in the Dame era.
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Great! Welcome aboard the Despised Truth-Teller's bus! First, you have to reconcile yourself to the loss of Dame as a Blazer...

mook said:
Time to ditch CJ, and possibly Nurk, and see what Dame can do with a new core.
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Ah. I can see you need some time to fully process this...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Great! Welcome aboard the Despised Truth-Teller's bus! First, you have to reconcile yourself to the loss of Dame as a Blazer...


Ah. I can see you need some time to fully process this...
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Just because we've peaked with Dame doesn't mean we can't hit another peak with a different roster. The mistake with the Rasheed and Drexler examples is that they didn't execute successful overhauls of their roster around a key guy. Maybe we should've thrown a massive overhaul in around Clyde before he walked away. Maybe we should have shipped Damon Stoudamire out ASAP instead of building around him.

Kobe Bryant had two peaks with the Lakers. They threw everyone else under the bus, including the most dominant offensive center ever, until they won again with Kobe.

If the Lakers can lose Shaq and still win 2 more championships, then there must be a way for us to find a second life for Dame in the post-CJ era. It probably won't be a contender, but you know, it's not all about winning rings.
 
mook said:
Almost nobody wants to trade Dame unless there's a can't-miss prospect. I mean, if it were the Luka draft would you fault Portland for dealing Dame for him?

When we had the Oden pick it was widely known that Tim Duncan was on the table in trade. So yeah, even cornerstone guys can be traded in the right circumstance. (In hindsight, man, I wish we'd done that deal.)

But there's no way we'd deal Dame for anything less than that kind of deal.

I do agree, though, that we've already peaked in the Dame era. Time to ditch CJ, and possibly Nurk, and see what Dame can do with a new core. My ideal scenario:

PG: Dame
SG: Norm
SF: Upgrade
PF: Upgrade
C: Upgrade

That's not too much to ask, is it? Barring that, I'd love to find a really elite defensive 3/4 guy and build a team around hard nosed defense.
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Yes & no. To get upgrades at 3 positions is extremely difficult.
However, at the SF position -> I view RoCo as a big upgrade over Norm.
If we can get a big upgrade at PF (Siakam or Wood), we'd be much better.
 
tester551 said:
Olshey doesn't appear to give much thought about the cap situation 2-3 years down the road. It appears he takes things year by year & as a result he finds himself in between a rock & a hard place. It's all his own doing though.
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It wasn't about cap numbers, it was about the lack of bird rights for all of those guys.
 
wizenheimer said:
oh...you mean that Portland had a really horrible and inflexible salary cap/tax situation and Olshey's hands were tied? Who the fuck was responsible for that?
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No, when he didn't have bird rights for those 3
 
mook said:
Just because we've peaked with Dame doesn't mean we can't hit another peak with a different roster. The mistake with the Rasheed and Drexler examples is that they didn't execute successful overhauls of their roster around a key guy. Maybe we should've thrown a massive overhaul in around Clyde before he walked away. Maybe we should have shipped Damon Stoudamire out ASAP instead of building around him.

Kobe Bryant had two peaks with the Lakers. They threw everyone else under the bus, including the most dominant offensive center ever, until they won again with Kobe.

If the Lakers can lose Shaq and still win 2 more championships, then there must be a way for us to find a second life for Dame in the post-CJ era. It probably won't be a contender, but you know, it's not all about winning rings.
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100% correct
We moved on from Roy with Dame
 
BonesJones said:
It wasn't about cap numbers, it was about the lack of bird rights for all of those guys.
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That's part of 'managing the cap'.
It takes looking 2-3 years down the road & having a plan on how to be able to retain talent.
 
wizenheimer said:
like I said
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So he should've never traded for Hood? So he should've never signed Curry? So he should've said no to Kanter wanting to sign in the buyout market? So he should've let Meyers Leonard be the starting C with Nurkic hurt?
 
tester551 said:
That's part of 'managing the cap'.
It takes looking 2-3 years down the road & having a plan on how to be able to retain talent.
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This makes no sense. He couldn't plan years in advance for Nurkic's injury. How could he plan years in advance for Kanter wanting to come here?
 
BonesJones said:
So he should've never traded for Hood? So he should've never signed Curry? So he should've said no to Kanter wanting to sign in the buyout market? So he should've let Meyers Leonard be the starting C with Nurkic hurt?
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if the best you can do is a team that falls apart in 1 year, then you're a shitty fucking GM
 
wizenheimer said:
if the best you can do is a team that falls apart in 1 year, then you're a shitty fucking GM
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It shouldn't have fallen apart. Dame/CJ/Hood/Collins/Whiteside was a solid starting 5 and consisted of maybe the four biggest contributors from our 2nd round win the year before. Bazemore has been a solid rotation piece everywhere but here (due to Stotts' system being shit for him) and Trent grew into a rotation piece last year as well. He whiffed on Hezonja. It was a position where he get some great deals on very solid role players the year before but sadly didn't have bird rights and then had to try and retool the roster without Nurkic.
 
The only way we win with Dame, is if Dame isn't the bests player on our team. If you can land Kawhi or someone, do it. otherwise, just get maximum value for Dame.

Dame with Lavine, PG or Butler aint beating a healthy Nets, Clippers, Lakers or even Suns....lets just be real now.
 
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