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mook said:
Romney, and I suspect most of the people who want to see Obama lose on this board, think that social issues don't matter and it's just about the economy. The majority of voters are women, and they care about birth control, abortion, sexism, and Planned Parenthood too.
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A lot of men care about those issues also, feel they are important to the progress of our country, and/or respect the women in their lives enough to care about those issues.

Romney just doesn't get it, on so many levels, he's very lucky he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth or he'd have nothing at all.
 
mook said:
Romney, and I suspect most of the people who want to see Obama lose on this board, think that social issues don't matter and it's just about the economy. The majority of voters are women, and they care about birth control, abortion, sexism, and Planned Parenthood too.

But maybe the women I know are different from the women you know. I encourage you to ask the women around you what they thought of the debate and report back.
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A very astute point.

We have about 12 women in our office and they're typical voters. 4 or so are sheep and vote how they are told to, 4 don't vote at all and the others are a bit more independent minded. Of those latter 4, 2 say they may not vote and the other 2 are actually looking at issues as they are and not like sheep. So 1 out of 6 women in my office (Portland) is looking at the Presidential race and thinking for themselves.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
A very astute point.

We have about 12 women in our office and they're typical voters. 4 or so are sheep and vote how they are told to, 4 don't vote at all and the others are a bit more independent minded. Of those latter 4, 2 say they may not vote and the other 2 are actually looking at issues as they are and not like sheep. So 1 out of 6 women in my office (Portland) is looking at the Presidential race and thinking for themselves.
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You could probably extrapolate those numbers to describe the entire adult population of the US.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
A very astute point.

We have about 12 women in our office and they're typical voters. 4 or so are sheep and vote how they are told to, 4 don't vote at all and the others are a bit more independent minded. Of those latter 4, 2 say they may not vote and the other 2 are actually looking at issues as they are and not like sheep. So 1 out of 6 women in my office (Portland) is looking at the Presidential race and thinking for themselves.
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That's just what they want you to think. :devilwink:
 
mook said:
Obama also hammered home birth control and Planned Parenthood, and Romney had no effective response. My wife remembers going to a Planned Parenthood center and being told she was pregnant with our first son. It's not something she takes lightly.

Romney, and I suspect most of the people who want to see Obama lose on this board, think that social issues don't matter and it's just about the economy. The majority of voters are women, and they care about birth control, abortion, sexism, and Planned Parenthood too.

But maybe the women I know are different from the women you know. I encourage you to ask the women around you what they thought of the debate and report back.
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You have made a great point on your observations.

The sad truth is that Mitt got sucked into this quicksand arguement. Fact is, most of what these ladies are so concerned about has already been decided. NO candidate has plans to make anyting worse for them.

barrycare to force insurance companies to pay for birth control? really? thats the "Big Stick"? wowzers, I want condoms, or cookies or ahhh lemme see,what do I want....
 
DaLincolnJones said:
You have made a great point on your observations.

The sad truth is that Mitt got sucked into this quicksand arguement. Fact is, most of what these ladies are so concerned about has already been decided. NO candidate has plans to make anyting worse for them.
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The president gets to choose replacement justices for the Supreme Court. That court decides all kinds of issues, including abortion, discrimination and birth control. Ergo whoever wins can indeed make things worse (or better) for them.
 
mook said:
The president gets to choose replacement justices for the Supreme Court. That court decides all kinds of issues, including abortion, discrimination and birth control. Ergo whoever wins can indeed make things worse (or better) for them.
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point well taken. If barry gets the nod, well two to three leftr wing libs, how can that hurt?

If Mitt gets the hot seat, two to three on the othe side? He is smart enough to live and let live on these issues. while barry got a pass from the press, Mitt realizes that he will be under the microscope from day one. All the pent up rage saved from the past four years, hell no way he even speaks out aginst any issues like that.
 
I'm confident Romney wouldn't truly mess with abortion rights or any of the other things Democrats are using to try and scare women.

He specifically said in the debate that all women should have access to birth control - something you might not hear from a hard line religious conservative type republican.

Now, whether we should tax the rich to pay for womens' birth control (or condoms) or for much of anything else is fair debate.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm confident Romney wouldn't truly mess with abortion rights or any of the other things Democrats are using to try and scare women.

He specifically said in the debate that all women should have access to birth control - something you might not hear from a hard line religious conservative type republican.

Now, whether we should tax the rich to pay for womens' birth control (or condoms) or for much of anything else is fair debate.
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That's one thing I have discussions with with many of my highly liberal female friends in WA. No one's saying that we're going to dump every condom into the ocean and outlaw diaphragms. No one's going to make it so that you need a note from your priest to get birth control pills.

However, I don't feel the need to borrow from China to buy you condoms and pills. You want to engage in sex without risk of pregnancy? Great. Trojans are $6.47 for a box of 12.
EDIT: And if the Gates and Buffett Foundations choose to donate billions for these items, they're welcome to.
 
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Why do people assume women vote monolithically?
 
mook said:
I think polls will move quite a bit. My informal poll of "women I know" tells me they weren't that impressed with Romney's response to a number of women's issues. The "binder full of women" answer seems pretty tone deaf on several levels when you actually ask women what they thought of it. It made it seem like Romney was saying, "We'll grow jobs so much even a woman could get hired," as well as the idea that "Yeah, I know it sucks hiring women, but if you make a lot of exceptions for their needs to cook and clean and raise kids and stuff, they'll be ok. But that's what you get with hiring women." As though a lot of men don't also have to deal with those same issues.
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How did they get all of that from 'binders full of women'? Where did the cooking and cleaning come from, or the 'it sucks to hire women'? Just curious. Many employers have binders of resumes. Getting offended by that statement makes me think they're just looking for a way to get offended, but I'm not a woman so..
 
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the binders thing was just another way to dehumanize him.

"bring me binders full of women"

it just sounds silly
 
^^^ It's funny because it seems true.
 
Momentum seems to have stopped for Romney

"Momentum" is an odd term in political polling, now that I think about it. After all, in physics it applies to the behavior of objects sans outside forces, while in politics there are countless outside forces hammering away at candidates minute-by-minute. Author makes an interesting point:

In races for the United States Senate, for instance, my research suggests that a candidate who gains ground in the polls in one month (say, from August to September) is no more likely to do so during the next one (from September to October). If anything, the candidate who gains ground in the polls in one month may be more likely to lose ground the next time around.
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Anyway, the last game-changing really good news Romney has had was the first debate. Since then it seems like Obama had two winning debates (the second of which I doubt hardly anybody saw, but they at least read the commentary.) And a VP debate that's already been long forgotten. So it seems a little like an extra convention bounce that's tapering off, rather than a gathering force. A few minor stories like Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama and the whole "abortion being God's will" might've shaved a fraction of a percent off Romney's polling, but I think it's more an absence of good news for him as opposed to a few minor hits.

Kind of feels like Romney has to come up with a real headline-grabber if he wants to win this thing. Not sure how he does it.
 
I don't know, mook. Nate Silver posts a bunch of polls with a bunch of spin that simply doesn't match up with the raw numbers on RCP.

For polls ended on 10/21 or later:
Romney +3, +2, +3, Obama +2, Romney +1, +3

The four previous polls were tie, Obama +2, +3, Romney +2

So 5 out of 6 most recent polls for Romney, 4 of those > +1.

1 of the previous 4 polls for Romney, Obama > +1 in two of those.

Sure looks like momentum to me.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
 
This article is quite interesting. Specifically the part I quote.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82948.html

“Time poll shows the President up 60-30” among early voters. That sub-sample was asked of 145 people and was one of many of similar ilk (with a huge variation in results). Their central data argument is that 43 more people told Time’s pollster over a two-day window they supported Obama. If that is their best claim to a lead in Ohio, it is a troubling picture for the president.

I have always been a believer in data telling me the full story. Truth is, nobody knows what will happen on Election Day. But here is what we do know: 220,000 fewer Democrats have voted early in Ohio compared with 2008. And 30,000 more Republicans have cast their ballots compared with four years ago. That is a 250,000-vote net increase for a state Obama won by 260,000 votes in 2008.
 
^^^ That said, the polling data is really mixed still. Obama appears to have the advantage in enough battleground states that he can run out the clock and win. The media is dominated by stories presenting the 60-30 anecdote (among early voters, for Obama), which could discourage voters from showing up at the polls for Romney.

Obama has never been at or above 50% in the RCP average, which tells me there's not a majority of support for him - a distinct decline from the 53% he was elected with in 2008. They say incumbents at 47% in the polls, or below 50%, don't get re-elected.

Obama's been ahead in just 3 of the last 10 national polls, and hit 50% (barely) in one of them, 49 in no other of these polls.

Amazingly, he's coughed up a huge lead (the 2008 election results) to... Romney. Go figure. Romney is... you know... not the world's greatest candidate.
 
"Amazingly, he's coughed up a huge lead (the 2008 election results) to... Romney. Go figure. Romney is... you know... not the world's greatest candidate. "


You know, I would have agreed with you when he first started running. But the more I read on the guy, the more I like him. I think if he gets the nod and does just a few things, like the oil pipeline, kicks in off shore and the alaska oil fields and follows through on just half of his five points, this econemy would come back in a big way.

He does not have the support of the unions that barry has, nor does he have to ballance the tree huggers aginst those that want to produce rether than consume. I think Mitt could be in a position to be a real hero.
 
Denny Crane said:
This article is quite interesting. Specifically the part I quote.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82948.html

“Time poll shows the President up 60-30” among early voters. That sub-sample was asked of 145 people and was one of many of similar ilk (with a huge variation in results). Their central data argument is that 43 more people told Time’s pollster over a two-day window they supported Obama. If that is their best claim to a lead in Ohio, it is a troubling picture for the president.

I have always been a believer in data telling me the full story. Truth is, nobody knows what will happen on Election Day. But here is what we do know: 220,000 fewer Democrats have voted early in Ohio compared with 2008. And 30,000 more Republicans have cast their ballots compared with four years ago. That is a 250,000-vote net increase for a state Obama won by 260,000 votes in 2008.
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I guess if spin is interesting to you, then that might be interesting. Here's a fact: Ohio doesn't register by party. So how does this writer know that 220,000 fewer democrats have voted? By making it up.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Which is, of course, not at all the same thing as party registration when you can vote in whichever primary you want to.

barfo
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Which is not the same thing as a guess.

Do you think big numbers of Democrats wanted to vote for Romney, or Cain, or Paul? The top of the dem ticket may have been settled, but every primary race for every other office wasn't.
 
Denny Crane said:
Which is not the same thing as a guess.
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I didn't say he was guessing. I said he was making it up.

Do you think big numbers of Democrats wanted to vote for Romney, or Cain, or Paul?
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No, I think they wanted to vote for Santorum, Perry, or Bachmann.

barfo
 
I want Romney to lose though.

You people need to raise the bar, the capitalists in here I mean.
 
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