Notice The Meyers Leonard block watch

[Strenuus]

Strenuus, you do realize that the disrespect shown in this thread is harmful to the Blazer team and lowers the chance for success, don't you?

I didn't know that. Mainly because it doesn't actually exist.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Naturally, but I posed it as a way for people to prove me wrong. Do you have anyone in mind that's notably worse, TBF?

Beyond just basic skill (there's plenty less skilled), who is so far from reality that they actually think they're decent but yet even their best attempts are so far off base? Old Melo comes to mind.

So, if skill isn't part of the criteria, it's not really about who is the worst player in the history of the league, it's about who is the player @DaLong hates the most.

That's fine. Feel free to compile a list and post it, but call it what it is: Players DaLong Hates the Most.

BNM

 

[DaLong]

So, if skill isn't part of the criteria, it's not really about who is the worst player in the history of the league, it's about who is the player @DaLong hates the most.

That's fine. Feel free to compile a list and post it, but call it what it is: Players DaLong Hates the Most.

BNM

Hate is a strong word, I don’t hate people. But yeah besides that you’re right, players that I think are a waste of money.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hate is a strong word, I don’t hate people. But yeah besides that you’re right, players that I think are a waste of money.

Then why are you asking us to create a list of players you think are a waste of money? There are several players from the Summer of 2016 alone that make more than Meyers and produce less, mostly due to injury/age (Parsons, Noah, Deng, etc.), but some just due to general suckage (Mozgov). How can you expect us to answer your question, when your list is purely subjective and based on your own likes and dislikes? We can't read your mind.

BNM

 

[DaLong]

Bro I just asked the exact question two posts ago, I think Leonard belongs on that list. Any other ideas? That was it. Moving on...

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Swish3 is either one of these people:

*his brother
*his wife
*Meyers himself

 

[BBert]

Swish3 is either one of these people:

*his brother
*his wife
*Meyers himself

I vote: *Annoying gimmick poster

 

[illmatic99]

HE GOT ONE

 

[BonesJones]

ITS OVER!

 

[illmatic99]

Gallinari, take a bow

 

[The Professional Fan]

Goodnight to this thread

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[hoopsjock]

Really? You are mad his bl0ckless streak is over?

Not a good look.

 

[BlayZa]

fluke

 

[Strenuus]

Goodnight to this thread

Oh no no no. It stays open like 7-11.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Really? You are mad his bl0ckless streak is over?

Not a good look.

NoT a GoOd LoOk

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The fact is, he's here now. So, no sense rooting for him to fail. It doesn't help the team in any way. If he continues to post solid numbers in limited minutes, it can only improve his trade value. If you really want Meyers gone, you should be cheering for him to have a career year.

BNM

No fans don't all have to follow your lollypop rainbows and sunshine mantra. The players are grown professionals, they can handle criticism.

 

[kjironman1]

Meyers played another good game last night. Came in and did some real good things on the court. You guys realize i said ANOTHER good game.
Glad he got a block. That is a pretty tough one to get also. He moved a long ways to get to that shot.

 

[TBpup]

Oh cleansing rain, the drought is over!

 

[Boob-No-More]

No fans don't all have to follow your lollypop rainbows and sunshine mantra. The players are grown professionals, they can handle criticism.

Yeah, I actually didn't say any of that, did I?

Here's what I said:

The fact is, he's here now. So, no sense rooting for him to fail. It doesn't help the team in any way. If he continues to post solid numbers in limited minutes, it can only improve his trade value. If you really want Meyers gone, you should be cheering for him to have a career year.

Just pointing out that if you REALLY want Meyers gone as badly as you claim, you should want him to continue to play well and increase his trade value. An average back up 7-footer getting $10 million a year actually isn't overpaid by current NBA standards. Whether Meyers can continue to play like an average back-up 7-footer is yet to be seen, but if you really want him gone, it's in your own best interest if he does.

No rainbows or lollypops for you, just stating what seemed obvious to me. I now respectfully return you to your doom and gloom.

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

BUMP

 

[BBert]

Is it just me or did Meyers look unusually mobile on defense last night? Like his body was moving and reacting without his brain having to tell it what to do.

He played well I thought overall. Then he was caught looking when he should have been in the key going for a rebound, and he was promptly subbed out.

Overall, BBert abides.

 

[kjironman1]

Is it just me or did Meyers look unusually mobile on defense last night? Like his body was moving and reacting without his brain having to tell it what to do.

He played well I thought overall. Then he was caught looking when he should have been in the key going for a rebound, and he was promptly subbed out.

Overall, BBert abides.

Here is something i watched. With about 3 mins left in the third. Meyers received the ball out on the arc. There was a foul called away from the ball. Meyers pulled up and effortlessly shot a unthinking three pointer. His shot looked like a normal smooth shot. It absolutely looked nothing like that slow windup overthinking three pointer that he seems to shoot during games. I just could not figure out why his shot looked so normal? Why on earth doesn't he just let fly like that during games?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Here is something i watched. With about 3 mins left in the third. Meyers received the ball out on the arc. There was a foul called away from the ball. Meyers pulled up and effortlessly shot a unthinking three pointer. His shot looked like a normal smooth shot. It absolutely looked nothing like that slow windup overthinking three pointer that he seems to shoot during games. I just could not figure out why his shot looked so normal? Why on earth doesn't he just let fly like that during games?

It's been observed of many players that they shoot completely differently during practice/warmups than they do during games. Back in Plumlee's Blazer days, I advocated passionately for him to play at the high post and be given a green light to shoot free-throw range jumpers because I watched him nail several effortlessly with flawless form during warmups before a Hornets game a few years back. During games, however, that form and skill abandoned him. Somehow, for many players, the mental impact of gametime massively changes their behavior and ability.

If Meyers could somehow eliminate that mental block, I have no doubt that he'd be a very effective player. Unfortunately, I don't know if that's possible.

 

[kjironman1]

If Meyers could somehow eliminate that mental block, I have no doubt that he'd be a very effective player. Unfortunately, I don't know if that's possible.

Needs to turn the mental block into Blocks per game.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It's been observed of many players that they shoot completely differently during practice/warmups than they do during games. Back in Plumlee's Blazer days, I advocated passionately for him to play at the high post and be given a green light to shoot free-throw range jumpers because I watched him nail several effortlessly with flawless form during warmups before a Hornets game a few years back. During games, however, that form and skill abandoned him. Somehow, for many players, the mental impact of gametime massively changes their behavior and ability.

If Meyers could somehow eliminate that mental block, I have no doubt that he'd be a very effective player. Unfortunately, I don't know if that's possible.

I made the comment several years ago that Meyers seems like he's actually too coachable. By that I meant he seems to have a one track mind where he can only focus on doing one thing at a time - to the complete exclusion of all other tasks/activities. I first made this observation early in the season after the MEM series. Meyers shot so well from distance in that series, the coaches decided to try to turn him into a stretch-4. It completely fucked up his development. He stopped rebounding, stopped passing, stopped trying to block shots and just hung out at the 3-point line waiting for an open look.

This year, and maybe last, he finally seems to be able to do more than one thing at a time. He's still not the greatest at multi-tasking and has the occasional brain fart, but he's the closest we've ever seen to an actual basketball player who scores, rebounds, plays defense, sets screens, makes passes, etc. He's not perfect at any of these things, but the fact that he doesn't simultaneously suck at 4 of the 5 is definite progress.

BNM

 

[BBert]

Here is something i watched. With about 3 mins left in the third. Meyers received the ball out on the arc. There was a foul called away from the ball. Meyers pulled up and effortlessly shot a unthinking three pointer. His shot looked like a normal smooth shot. It absolutely looked nothing like that slow windup overthinking three pointer that he seems to shoot during games. I just could not figure out why his shot looked so normal? Why on earth doesn't he just let fly like that during games?

He did against the shot clock with a defender flying out at him the other day, and it was nothing but net. I think his overly focused shot is from either perfectionism, or fear of failure, or both.

 

[kjironman1]

He did against the shot clock with a defender flying out at him the other day, and it was nothing but net. I think his overly focused shot is from either perfectionism, or fear of failure, or both.

Actually it was Pat Con giving him pressure. Funny... Calabro actually said "Well... I bet he has seen that plenty of times."

 

[Scalma]

I made the comment several years ago that Meyers seems like he's actually too coachable. By that I meant he seems to have a one track mind where he can only focus on doing one thing at a time - to the complete exclusion of all other tasks/activities. I first made this observation early in the season after the MEM series. Meyers shot so well from distance in that series, the coaches decided to try to turn him into a stretch-4. It completely fucked up his development. He stopped rebounding, stopped passing, stopped trying to block shots and just hung out at the 3-point line waiting for an open look.

BNM

Coaches only decided to let him be perimeter oriented after his second season. He wasn’t scoring in the paint, wasn’t blocking shots, and averaged nearly 8 fouls a game/36 in his second season. He was getting WORKED in the paint. The coaches didn’t force him into anything. It was Meyers himself who mentioned he was more comfortable on the perimeter. The coaches took notice of his abilities as a shooter and knew they had better post players in Lopez, Kaman, and Freeland. A coaches job is to get the best out of a players skillset, not to try and make them into something they’re not. I mean think about it, the guy grew up as a guard.

This quote is from 2014;

"That's what he is," All-Star point guard Damian Lillard said. "He's a guy that can really shoot the ball. I think we should accept the fact that Meyers is a guy that can shoot the ball, a guy who can really jump, who can really run the floor, and has good hands. I think that's what he's really good at. I don't think you should force him to get in the paint and dunk every time and stuff like that. If that's not who you are, that's not who you are. He's really good at a lot of things and the sooner he can get comfortable and be confident in being who he is, I think that's when he'll be really good for us.”

 

[Boob-No-More]

Coaches only decided to let him be perimeter oriented after his second season. He wasn’t scoring in the paint, wasn’t blocking shots, and averaged nearly 8 fouls a game/36 in his second season. He was getting WORKED in the paint. The coaches didn’t force him into anything. It was Meyers himself who mentioned he was more comfortable on the perimeter. The coaches took notice of his abilities as a shooter and knew they had better post players in Lopez, Kaman, and Freeland. A coaches job is to get the best out of a players skillset, not to try and make them into something they’re not. I mean think about it, the guy grew up as a guard.

This quote is from 2014;

"That's what he is," All-Star point guard Damian Lillard said. "He's a guy that can really shoot the ball. I think we should accept the fact that Meyers is a guy that can shoot the ball, a guy who can really jump, who can really run the floor, and has good hands. I think that's what he's really good at. I don't think you should force him to get in the paint and dunk every time and stuff like that. If that's not who you are, that's not who you are. He's really good at a lot of things and the sooner he can get comfortable and be confident in being who he is, I think that's when he'll be really good for us.”

His rookie year he was definitely blocking shots and dunking. He had 38 BLKs and 53 dunks as a rookie. Something he hasn't come close to since. His natural instincts as a rookie were to block shots and dunk the ball.

I'm not really sure what happened Meyer's second season. He was rebounding and passing better but he seemed to lose all confidence in his shooting ability. And let's face it, a Meyers who can't shoot is beyond useless. So, his minutes were cut to basically garbage time.

And no, the coaches didn't force him into anything. That wasn't my point. Prior to his 4th season, he'd played almost exclusively at center:



Even in the MEM series, when he shot 10-13 from 3-point range, he was still playing center. It wasn't until after the MEM series, and after Aldridge left that the coaches started playing him at PF. Go back and look at the game logs for the beginning of his fourth season. He was starting at PF with Plumlee starting at center. He was HORRIBLE in that role. Couldn't shoot for shit and wasn't doing anything else of value. Again, my point was that Meyers doesn't multitask well. Make him a stretch 4/spot up shooter and he seems to forget about doing anything else.

Move him back to center and he starts doing center things. Yeah the blocks are still weak, but I like what we are getting from him this year. His TS% was great last year in limited minutes and continues to be outstanding, but his biggest improvements have come on defense and rebounding. His TRB% and ORB% are both at career highs (and actually above average for an NBA big man). His DWS/48 and DBPM are both positive and career highs. He lacks the instincts to be a great defender, but as long as he's not a negative defender, which he has not been so far this season, it doesn't kill you to have him on the floor, especially given his passing and shooting ability at the other end.

Again, my whole point wasn't about what Meyers wanted or the coaches forcing him to do certain things. My point was that Meyers has struggled to multi-task in the past, but is doing a much better job contributing in multiple ways this season.

BNM